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[marybet]

They just showed Hillary saying she would have a debate on the back of a flatbed truck. Why do they say this makes her a fighter, when all it shows is how desperate she is.

 

[lilyv]

They just showed Hillary saying she would have a debate on the back of a flatbed truck. Why do they say this makes her a fighter, when all it shows is how desperate she is.

Flatbed truck, huh? Will she be dressed in overalls, chewing straw, as well?

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

I thought Tim posted pretty recently...he was banned??

I was lucky enough to slip in a quick post on that crazy Saturday night on what I believe to be his final thread...the one that knocked him off. It was deleted pretty quickly but he did get a chance to a goodbye. I a) hope something can be worked out to bring those guys back and b) hope that they'd consider returning.

Just glad that it's safe to come out from under the bed this afternoon!!

 

[lilyv]

I a) hope something can be worked out to bring those guys back and b) hope that they'd consider returning.
Just glad that it's safe to come out from under the bed this afternoon!!

Me too.

 

[Reflection]

Flatbed truck, huh? Will she be dressed in overalls, chewing straw, as well?

She'll also have a beer and a shot of whiskey.

 

[LuvDuke]

Flatbed truck, huh? Will she be dressed in overalls, chewing straw, as well?

.......... while telling us how much experience she has as a farmer because she planted a couple of marigolds and how she's been fighting for farmers for 35 years.

Translated: She started watching Green Acres when she was 25.

 

[chris1gill]

.......... while telling us how much experience she has as a farmer because she planted a couple of marigolds and how she's been fighting for farmers for 35 years.

Translated: She started watching Green Acres when she was 25.

Well, not far off I bet, she's already come up with ties to Puerto Rico, how she is a NY Senator and NY has such a strong relationship with PR and the story goes from there. I think she's the hometown girl of every state in the union

 

[LohKee]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24780752]

And I am sorry but you did call me those names because you know darn well that I don't agree with him. I guess I could say the same for those that do believe all his words. But I of course am also not doing that.


Again sorry for my disruption. have a blessed day.[/QUOTE]


If that's what you think I won't try to change your mind.


God Bless

 

[lilyv]

Well, not far off I bet, she's already come up with ties to Puerto Rico, how she is a NY Senator and NY has such a strong relationship with PR and the story goes from there. I think she's the hometown girl of every state in the union

And on that note-don't miss this political cartoon.
http://www.denverpost.com/keefe/ci_9028856

 

[wvrevy]

And on that note-don't miss this political cartoon.
http://www.denverpost.com/keefe/ci_9028856

 

[LakeAriel]

Hahahahha
I am still trying to get over her hunting with her PA...

 

[chris1gill]

Yup, she's along those lines at the moment....

 

[Reflection]

Well, not far off I bet, she's already come up with ties to Puerto Rico, how she is a NY Senator and NY has such a strong relationship with PR and the story goes from there. I think she's the hometown girl of every state in the union

Yeah, right! New York has such long, wonderful and loving welcoming of Puerto Ricans. I guess HRC singlehandedly made and rolled out that welcome mat.

 

[chris1gill]

Well, on the plus side of this... decided to bring this over.... looks like Obama could get the majority of the 60 add-on delegates to be announced within a week.

Obama continues to outpace Clinton among superdelegates...

Barack Obama continues to outpace Hillary Clinton among undecided superdelegates. He picked up two more supers over the weekend and added one more today in New Mexico Senator Jeff Bingaman. Obama has now gained six superdelegates since Clinton's win in PA on Tuesday while Clinton has gained two since then (and the two Clinton got were add-on delegates which differ from official superdelegates). The endorsement also means that Obama now has more Senator superdelegates supporting him than Clinton, 15 to 14. Clinton gained one superdelegate over the weekend.

So my overall superdelegate count now has Clinton leading Obama 264 to 244, a lead of 20. This is the closest Obama has been as he continues to eat into Clinton's superdelegate lead basically daily. At this point, assuming things play out as expected in the remaining states, Hillary Clinton will need 76% of the remaining undecided superdelegates to endorse her to win. Since February 5th, she has gotten less than 5% of the undecided superdelegates, so she has some hard work ahead of her.

And just to clarify, add-on delegates are delegates added on in states. Based on who wins where, they end up getting certain add-on delegates. For example, since Clinton won Arkansas by so much, most of the add-on delegates would go to her. So they don't reflect momentum, as in a superdelegate endorsing someone. Some 60 add-on delegates are expected to be revealed in the next week or so and Obama is expected to get a slight majority among them since he has won more states. The add-ons ARE included in the total 794 superdelegate number, meaning the actual number of undecided superdelegates is pretty low now, around 200.

 

[zulaya]

A few pages back, someone talked about how many supers Obama would need to essentially prevent Clinton from being able to achieve critical mass...making it impossible for her to get enough to earn the nomination.

Those who are keeping track...wvrevy? chris1gill?...anyone have a fix on where we're at with that?

 

[chris1gill]

A few pages back, someone talked about how many supers Obama would need to essentially prevent Clinton from being able to achieve critical mass...making it impossible for her to get enough to earn the nomination.

Those who are keeping track...wvrevy? chris1gill?...anyone have a fix on where we're at with that?

I think if I recall correctly it was 78, but don't take that as a hard fast rule since I don't have the document in front of me, say anywhere from 70-80 to be safe! He only needed 143 pledged delegates (I believe, it's been more than a few days) to gain the majority of the pledged delegates total.

Edited to add:

Got another one tonight....

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/obama-pic... /

While much of the political establishment is attending the annual White House Correspondents’ Association dinner tonight in Washington, the superdelegate operation is still churning.

Senator Barack Obama, who spent the day campaigning In Indiana in advance of the state’s May 6 primary, collected the endorsement of an Arizona superdelegate today.

Charlene Fernandez, the newly-elected first vice chairwoman of the Arizona Democratic Party, announced her support tonight for Mr. Obama

“Senator Barack Obama is strengthening the Democratic Party by bringing in new voters, young and old, into the process,” Ms. Fernandez said in a statement released by the Obama campaign. ” I believe Senator Obama has the best ability to win the White House in November and lead this country forward.”

 

[Reflection]

I thought that article was very good in helping to understand where Rev. Wright comes from...I have always felt that if people could perhaps realize that the Civil Rights Movement was not so long ago and wounds like that are hard to heal, that perhaps people could be a little more understanding...and I too say understanding, not accepting.

I just completed my senior paper in history on a figure in the Civil Rights Movement, Bayard Rustin. While I was doing research, I discovered how critical the church was in civil rights protests. The church was often the center of such protests...like in the Montgomery Bus boycott, so being political in church is nothing new or evil, it was necessary during the CRM. I also feel after reading and thinking a lot about the CRM, that people sometimes forget how recent these events were...I mean it was only in 1964 with the Voting Rights Act that blacks were assured the right to vote and public places were desegregated. Can't anyone see that perhaps there are some lingering doubts about government when it took the gov't so long in acting on part of American blacks??

I think people do forget the civil rights movement was not that long ago and that many, many black people still have famiy members alive (I know that I do) who lived and experienced Jim Crow and 'separate but equal.' One thing that I really liked about Obama's speech about racial unity was that he acknowledged the historic wounds of the past while also emphasizing that opportunities are available now and black folks (ala Bill Cosby) have got to take responsibility for their choices and put greater emphasis on education to move ahead.

There is quite a bit of blather regarding Wright's comments re govt conspiracy and the AIDS virus in black communities. Of course, his assertion that the govt deliberately introduced AIDS in the black community is a bunch of *(*&* crap. However, as dumb and stupid as that thought is--many blacks know about Tuskeegee syphillis experiments, and given that context it becomes clear how some people jumped on the conspiracy bandwagon.

 

[Reflection]

I think if I recall correctly it was 78, but don't take that as a hard fast rule since I don't have the document in front of me, say anywhere from 70-80 to be safe! He only needed 143 pledged delegates (I believe, it's been more than a few days) to gain the majority of the pledged delegates total.

Edited to add:

Got another one tonight....

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/obama-pic... /

While much of the political establishment is attending the annual White House Correspondents’ Association dinner tonight in Washington, the superdelegate operation is still churning.

Senator Barack Obama, who spent the day campaigning In Indiana in advance of the state’s May 6 primary, collected the endorsement of an Arizona superdelegate today.

Charlene Fernandez, the newly-elected first vice chairwoman of the Arizona Democratic Party, announced her support tonight for Mr. Obama

“Senator Barack Obama is strengthening the Democratic Party by bringing in new voters, young and old, into the process,” Ms. Fernandez said in a statement released by the Obama campaign. ” I believe Senator Obama has the best ability to win the White House in November and lead this country forward.”

I know that I am 'campaign-fatigued' at this point and am more than ready for things to wrap up, but the excitement that this election year has generated and the record numbers of people signing up and turning out to vote is inspiring.

 

[chris1gill]

I know that I am 'campaign-fatigued' at this point and am more than ready for things to wrap up, but the excitement that this election year has generated and the record numbers of people signing up and turning out to vote is inspiring.

I have to agree, but at this point, it's been long and drawn out with no end date in site other than the end of August, and that just tires ME out.... We're leaving like June 13th, and won't be back until the end of August, I have to say I'm REALLY glad! Oh, and other than maybe KO once in a while, there'll be no cable news, actually I don't remember if we get KO anymore there... first we did, then we didn't, now I'm not sure but I think we might!

 

[wvrevy]

Fan-freaking-tastic article from Politico!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama: The know-too-much candidate?
By: Roger Simon
April 29, 2008 08:12 AM EST

Having had the national media at his feet for more than a year, Barack Obama now finds them at his throat.

The fault is his. He has disappointed us. He is not winning every voting bloc in every state. He cannot close the deal.

Running against an older, white candidate, Obama has been losing the older, white vote.

Zounds. What did we ever see in this guy?

The Bubba voters, the NASCAR voters and the Joe Six-Pack voters don’t seem to like him. (This is according to exit polls, whose accuracy is an open question but whose results are the crack of media analysis.)

Pennsylvania proved to be the turning point. Even though it had been clear since the earliest polls that Obama would lose Pennsylvania, the press was shocked by Obama’s loss of Pennsylvania.

The significance of this loss becomes clear when you see it as part of a larger picture: The superdelegates, the party insiders who will decide the nomination, are watching events very, very closely. And what do they see?

Obama has now lost the popular vote in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania. He has been hurt by the irresponsible statements of his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, and Obama insulted small-town Americans when he accused them of “clinging” to guns and religion.

Hillary Clinton has accused Obama of being “elitist and out of touch.” (And Clinton should know: She lived in a governor’s mansion for 12 years and in the White House for eight, and you can’t get more in touch with real America than that.)

So far, however, there has been no great stampede of superdelegates to Clinton. (Since Super Tuesday, Obama has picked up 87 and she has picked up seven, according to his campaign.) Which just goes to show how out of touch and elitist the superdelegates must be. Or else, how politically savvy they are: They don’t find it shocking that Obama can’t win every demographic group in every state.

Not that he has to. No Democratic president since Lyndon Johnson has won the white vote. Both Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton found that if you win enough of the white vote and an overwhelming percentage of the black vote, you can get to the White House.



But what about Obama’s bigger problem? Comparisons are already being made between Obama and Adlai Stevenson, who was an intellectual (read: loser). Obama used to teach law at the University of Chicago, one of the brainiest universities in the country.

And Americans don’t want presidents who are too brainy. (Obviously.) We would rather plunge into foreign wars or fall off economic cliffs than have presidents who know too much. That is because braininess is elitist, and being an elitist is the worst thing you can be if you want to be president.

Obama now gets this. Since his loss in Pennsylvania, he has been emphasizing his non-elitist roots. At a recent news conference at a gas station in Indianapolis, he said, “I basically buy five of the same suits and then I patch them up and wear them repeatedly.”

(I guess Obama thinks this is supposed to appeal to the working classes, but my father was a truck driver, and he would have thought that owning five suits was a lot.)

At the same news conference, Obama said that what he ate while growing up also reflects his non-elitist upbringing: “I was raised in a setting with my grandparents who grew up in small-town Kansas, where the dinner table would have been very familiar to anybody here in Indiana: a lot of pot roasts and potatoes and Jell-O molds.”

That settles that, I guess. Diet is destiny. But does anybody besides me find it a little dismaying that a person feels he has to campaign for president in this country based on whether he ate Jell-O molds as a kid? (Though, now that I think of it, how did my mother actually suspend those little marshmallows in the Jell-O? Wires?)

Wouldn’t it be more refreshing if Obama was saying what he used to say: that it is wrong to “slice and dice” voters into isolated groups and that it would be good for America to emphasize what unites people and not what divides us?

But Obama’s new approach is valuable for one thing: It teaches us that everything our parents told us was wrong.

“Study hard so you can go to a good school and get a good job,” parents say. “And stop dressing like a bum!”

But not if you want to be president.