NY and NJ visitors

[tinkerdorabelle]

Ugh, we’ve been in the Outer Banks for a week and a half, in our camper, on a pretty empty beach. I’ve been around less people here than the last several months at home.
But now DH is going to have to WFH for 2 more weeks since he works in NJ (we live in PA). That’s going to be awesome since his work piled up while he was here.

Sorry if off topic, but can you recommend nice place to camp in Outer Banks? We also have an RV and would love to camp near a beach where not many around, tho we won't be able to go for awhile.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

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[amylevan]

Sorry if off topic, but can you recommend nice place to camp in Outer Banks? We also have an RV and would love to camp near a beach where not many around, tho we won't be able to go for awhile.

We’re at the Cape Hatteras KOA. The sites aren’t huge, they are typical of a KOA, but the beach is right over the dune from the sites, and it is big enough that there is plenty of room to social distance on the beach.

 

[RivShore]

I haven't found any info that says anything about testing being a way to bypass or shorten a quarantine. Although the travel advisory has been only announced several hours ago and probably the details are still yet to come.

However, the NYS Dept of Health webpage on quarantining, even before the announcement, doesn't say anything using testing as a way to shorten a quarantine:
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/travel-large-gatherings-and-quarantines

The NY Gov hasn't mentioned it either. He only mentions quarantining:
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/go...t-announce-joint-incoming-travel-advisory-all

Also, in regard to being tested after 72 hours, the only time I've seen that time period is when one is recovering from COVID. A person is supposed to wait 72 hours after the last known symptom, like fever, coughing, and then get tested to make sure they are really recovered.

As for first suspecting one may have COVID or been exposed to it, it has been suggested to wait until 5 days after suspected exposure,(i.e. one could have gotten it on the plane,) as it could take that long for symptoms to incubate and first appear, and up to a full 14 days. So the 72 hours doesn't seem to apply to this.

Sorry.

Not sure if it's been posted elsewhere (there are so many threads about this, I can't keep up) but NJ says this about testing to avoid the 14 days:

New Jerseyans may travel out of state, however if they travel to a state that matches the above criteria, they should quarantine for 14-days when they return. Testing is available to everyone in New Jersey and is strongly encouraged for those who travelled to areas heavily impacted by COVID-19. To find a testing site near you, visit covid19.nj.gov/testing

Individuals should self-quarantine until they receive their test results. If they test positive, they should self-isolate for 10 days and at least 3 days after any fever is resolved. If the individual needs medical care, they may leave self-quarantine to visit a healthcare provider.

https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/nj-info...i-self-quarantine-if-i-have-recently-traveled
Seems to imply that if you are negative, you don't need to continue the quarantine.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

FL and SC were added to my state's quarantine list and MD was removed today. Concentration away from the New England area seems to be the going trend for multiple areas which makes sense. I expect states to be removed or added as needed though.

 

[JimMIA]

FL and SC were added to my state's quarantine list and MD was removed today. Concentration away from the New England area seems to be the going trend for multiple areas which makes sense. I expect states to be removed or added as needed though.

The idea behind those on again/off again restrictions is a good one -- not having unnecessary restrictions.

However, there is a downside. You could leave home for a trip with no restrictions and could find yourself quarantined unexpectedly when you return home because something changed.

For government leaders, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The idea behind those on again/off again restrictions is a good one -- not having unnecessary restrictions.

However, there is a downside. You could leave home for a trip with no restrictions and could find yourself quarantined unexpectedly when you return home because something changed.

For government leaders, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

True..but honestly? I would plan on quarantining regardless of what your state may or may not tell you at this point or you need to decide not to go if you cannot do that (be that vacation policy, pay or no pay, etc). The only difference is work related where you may have a work policy, go on a work trip (NOT leisure) and in the meantime your state ends up having a longer quarantine than your work. At that point gotta work with your employer on that.

 

[Imzadi]

NY/NJ/CT UPDATED 14 day quarantine list. It has expanded:

If you're traveling to New York, New Jersey or Connecticut from the following states you must self-quarantine for 14 days.

The states are: AL, AR, AZ, CA, FL, GA, IA, ID, LA, MS, NC, NV, SC, TN, TX, UT.

These states have unfortunately a high infection rate of at least: 10 new COVID positive cases per 100,000 people on a 7-day rolling average. OR: at least 10% of the total population is COVID-19 positive on a 7-Day rolling average.

I still have never read or heard the words to get a COVID-19 test to get out of quarantining in NY state. The NJ Gov. has suggested it for NJ.


Other FYIs: NJ has put an indefinite "Pause" on indoor dining. Only outdoor dining is available.

The NY Gov. will give his determination tomorrow on that matter, but it's looking very unlikely that there will be indoor dining. There has been too much non-compliance of the protocols for social distancing and to not congregate in large crowds outside bars and restaurants. He thinks opening the indoors of bars & restaurants would only make matters worse. And the air conditioning inside places seem to circulate the COVID instead of dissipate it, as it does outdoors.

 

[Imzadi]

Updated info for flying into NY state:

NY Governor: "The law is if you come in from another state you have to self-quarantine for 14 days. If you don't, and you get caught, you will have violated the law — you can be fined. If you fly into New York, we'll have your name, we'll know where you're supposed to be staying, (and) there will be random checks. You get pulled over by a police officer and he looks at where your residence is and says, 'How long have you been here?'"

Aboard flights, you will be handed this form and asked to fill it out:

If you drive in, do not expect to be stopped at the NYS border. There are no checkpoints physically barring people coming in. NY Gov, said that is considered a blockade and an act of civil war, as the only time a blockade between states was ever erected was during the U.S. Civil War.

He also said, no state can ban any travelers from specific states from coming into their state, as that is unconstitutional. When other states tried this to NY back in March, [I'm talking about you, R.I.,] the Gov. threatened to file a lawsuit against them. They dropped the proposed ban as they wouldn't win. In turnaround, he will NOT be trying to ban other states from entering. The best he or any state can do is the travel advisory with the mandatory quarantine once some one enters the state.

NY has developed a state of the art, contact tracing program. So, if one drives in, doesn't quarantine and infects people with COVID, the NYS Dept of Health will know. A couple weeks ago when a person from FL came up to attend a friend's graduation. He had COVID and unknowingly infected 13 other people. The contact tracers were able trace it back to him and also tamp down that fire. This was before the quarantine. Now, a fine previously mentioned for quarantine violators is: "Up to $10,000 if they cause harm."

Welcome to NY State!

"The requirements of the travel advisory do not apply to any individual passing through designated states for a limited duration (i.e., less than 24 hours) through the course of travel.

Examples of such brief passage include but are not limited to: stopping at rest stops for vehicles, buses, and/or trains; or lay-overs for air travel, bus travel, or train travel.

The travel advisory requires all New Yorkers, as well as those visiting from out of state, to take personal responsibility for complying with the advisory in the best interest of public health and safety.

For the latest info (NY only) go to the NYS Dept of Health:
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-travel-advisory

For questions about the travel advisory please refer to the guidance linked here.

For general inquires contact the call the Hotline: 1-888-364-3065 or Ask a Question.

To file a report of an individual failing to adhere to the quarantine pursuant to the travel advisory click here or call 1-833-789-0470.

Individuals may also contact their local department of health."


NY state residents returning to NY (or just wanting to find a free COVID-19 test site) go to:

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/find-test-site-near-you

Also: Individuals who have questions regarding eligibility or access for testing should call the New York State COVID-19 Hotline at 1-888-364-3065

Please note:

• If you go to a test site run by New York State, there is never any charge for your test.
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• If you go to a test site operated by local governments, (as in local city run tests,) private companies including pharmacies and medical practices or not-for-profit organizations, you are advised to check with the testing site and your insurer in advance of being tested to confirm you will not be responsible for any fees associated with your test.

 

[Imzadi]

You think the NY/NJ/CT travel advisory is strict, try Massachusetts. Or rather, DON'T try going to MA, if you are from any other state than the 7 states in the Northeast: Rhode Island, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, New York, and New Jersey.

MA has a 14-Day quarantine for all other states.

"Even in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, Gov. Charlie Baker hopes tourists can still enjoy their “favorite places” in Massachusetts this summer. And beginning on Wednesday, visitors, both arriving and returning from seven other northeastern states will no longer be asked to self-quarantine first.​

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“People in those places should be able to visit Massachusetts without living up to that 14-day quarantine,” Baker said during a press conference, noting that the change “reflects the facts on the ground.”​

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The two-week quarantine advisory — which directs out-of state visitors to stay inside and avoid contact with people outside one’s household — remains in place for most visitors from other places, except for essential workers traveling to Massachusetts for work purposes."​

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https://www.boston.com/news/coronav...chusetts-out-of-state-travel-quarantine-rules​

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For the first time since March, Massachusetts has had NO COVID-19 deaths! Congrats Massachusetts!

 

[jerseygal]

Very happy to hear about NY cases being flattened, thats great news, BUT keep in mind, NY dining is not in full swing, bars not either . Most companies still have employees working remotely and retail is not in full swing either...What will happen when buses are packed, Path trains, etc and commuting starts again?. Orlando county hospitalizations and cases in particular was low for awhile also until bars were opened, restaurants opened, retail opened, now our cases and hospitalizations are up. At least Gov Cuomo very early on, mandated mask wearing even outside when social distancing could not be possible. Thank goodness, Mayor Demings of Orange County stepped up last week and mandated mask wearing because Gov DeSantis refuses to do this. Unfortunately, Mayor Demings should have mandated mask wearing awhile ago, he was suggesting it, rather than a mandate. For weeks, Gov DeSantis spoke about the need to get back to tourism in Orlando. Thats fine, wear a mask to slow the spread, especially in an area like Orlando where there are so many visitors.

 

[Imzadi]

I posted this on another thread here:

UPDATE: It's official. Indoor restaurant seating in NYC has been postponed until further notice.

In NYC, we are still set to go to Phase 3 next week, but most likely with NO indoor restaurant or bar seating!

NJ has already continued an indefinite "pause" today on indoor restaurant seating.

The NY Gov. is set to announce his decision one way or the other, today at his news briefing, and any alternate solutions they've hopefully come up with instead. I will be shocked if he goes ahead with indoor dining at this time as we've been having problems with compliance already with people doing just the outdoor dining. He sent a team out to monitor the situation last night to see how bad it is. Although, we've had no COVID spiking in the city.

Since NYC restaurants & bars have no parking lots where the owners could just pull out their tables & chairs and turn into patio seating, they've had a much harder time. Right now, restaurants are allowed to use the parallel parking curbside lane in front of their restaurants to turn into their patio space.

The Mayor has been thinking of deepening that space by closing down the next outermost traffic lane on each side of the street, to turn them into restaurant areas. (There are restaurants on the other side of the street too.) There would only be one narrow, fenced lane of traffic down the middle, as an emergency corridor for firetrucks, ambulances, FedEx and supply trucks, and such, to get through as needed. This plan, unfortunately, is extremely weather dependent.

 

[Imzadi]

3 more states have been added to the NY/NJ/CT travel advisory quarantine:

Delaware, Kansas and Oklahoma

Total states that are required to quarantine for 14 days when entering NY, NJ, or CT are:

Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

These states have unfortunately a high infection rate of at least: 10 new COVID positive cases per 100,000 people on a 7-day rolling average. OR: at least 10% of the total population is COVID-19 positive on a 7-Day rolling average.

NY & NJ are requiring the 14 day mandatory quarantine regardless of if a COVID-19 test comes back negative.

NJ tried to allow for a test instead of quarantining. But, this past weekend, 12+ people who came from some of of the travel advisory states tested positive in Hoboken. That mini COVID cluster made Gov. Murphy change his mind. He said the infection rate is going up he's worried it will rise further. He now requires the 14 day mandatory quarantine regardless of test results.

The NJ & CT Governors have put a pause on certain parts of Phase 3, due to seeing the upsurges in the rest of the U.S.

The CT does allow: "If a 14-day self-quarantine is not possible, travelers from the impacted states may enter Connecticut if they have had a negative viral test (not an antibody test) for COVID-19 in the 72 hours prior to travel."
Link: https://portal.ct.gov/Coronavirus/Covid-19-Knowledge-Base/Travel-In-or-Out-of-CT

 

[RivShore]

3 more states have been added to the NY/NJ/CT travel advisory quarantine:

Delaware, Kansas and Oklahoma

Total states that are required to quarantine for 14 days when entering NY, NJ, or CT are:

Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

These states have unfortunately a high infection rate of at least: 10 new COVID positive cases per 100,000 people on a 7-day rolling average. OR: at least 10% of the total population is COVID-19 positive on a 7-Day rolling average.

NY & NJ are requiring the 14 day mandatory quarantine regardless of if a COVID-19 test comes back negative.

NJ tried to allow for a test instead of quarantining. But, this past weekend, 12+ people who came from some of of the travel advisory states tested positive in Hoboken. That mini COVID cluster made Gov. Murphy change his mind. He said the infection rate is going up he's worried it will rise further. He now requires the 14 day mandatory quarantine regardless of test results.

The NJ & CT Governors have put a pause on certain parts of Phase 3, due to seeing the upsurges in the rest of the U.S.

The CT does allow: "If a 14-day self-quarantine is not possible, travelers from the impacted states may enter Connecticut if they have had a negative viral test (not an antibody test) for COVID-19 in the 72 hours prior to travel."
Link: https://portal.ct.gov/Coronavirus/Covid-19-Knowledge-Base/Travel-In-or-Out-of-CT

Where did you see the details around the elimination of testing instead of quarantining?

 

[Imzadi]

Where did you see the details around the elimination of testing instead of quarantining?

It was on local ABC NYC/NJ news yesterday. The reporter mentioned it. And Gov. Murphy talked about how the Rate of infection is up to 1.3 and going up. Let me see if I can find a link for it.

 

[Imzadi]

Where did you see the details around the elimination of testing instead of quarantining?

Here it is. It was Mayor Ravinder Bhalla, of Hoboken, not Gov. Murphy who said it. (Gov Murphy was mentioning wanting a nationwide mask mandate in a different news briefing. It's hard to keep them all straight at times. )

Right at the 2:40 mark, near the end, in the video below, is where the reporter says the Mayor said one must quarantine for 14 days regardless of testing negative on COVID test:

https://abc7ny.com/hoboken-coronavirus-covid19-covid-19-reopen-new-jersey/6297627/

 

[HeatherC]

You think the NY/NJ/CT travel advisory is strict, try Massachusetts. Or rather, DON'T try going to MA, if you are from any other state than the 7 states in the Northeast: Rhode Island, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, New York, and New Jersey.

MA has a 14-Day quarantine for all other states.

"Even in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, Gov. Charlie Baker hopes tourists can still enjoy their “favorite places” in Massachusetts this summer. And beginning on Wednesday, visitors, both arriving and returning from seven other northeastern states will no longer be asked to self-quarantine first.​

​

“People in those places should be able to visit Massachusetts without living up to that 14-day quarantine,” Baker said during a press conference, noting that the change “reflects the facts on the ground.”​

​

The two-week quarantine advisory — which directs out-of state visitors to stay inside and avoid contact with people outside one’s household — remains in place for most visitors from other places, except for essential workers traveling to Massachusetts for work purposes."​

​

https://www.boston.com/news/coronav...chusetts-out-of-state-travel-quarantine-rules​

​

For the first time since March, Massachusetts has had NO COVID-19 deaths! Congrats Massachusetts!

We are hoping it continues. Luckily, most everyone is wearing masks and , hopefully, will continue to do so.

 

[Imzadi]

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[RivShore]

Here it is. It was Mayor Ravinder Bhalla, of Hoboken, not Gov. Murphy who said it. (Gov Murphy was mentioning wanting a nationwide mask mandate in a different news briefing. It's hard to keep them all straight at times. )

Right at the 2:40 mark, near the end, in the video below, is where the reporter says the Mayor said one must quarantine for 14 days regardless of testing negative on COVID test:

https://abc7ny.com/hoboken-coronavirus-covid19-covid-19-reopen-new-jersey/6297627/

Thanks.

I also see the wording under testing on the NJ Covid site was changed - about 10 days ago it implied you would not need to quarantine for the full 14 days with a negative test:

New Jerseyans may travel out of state, however if they travel to a state that matches the above criteria, they should quarantine for 14-days when they return. Testing is available to everyone in New Jersey and is strongly encouraged for those who travelled to areas heavily impacted by COVID-19. To find a testing site near you, visit covid19.nj.gov/testing
Individuals should self-quarantine until they receive their test results. If they test positive, they should self-isolate for 10 days and at least 3 days after any fever is resolved. If the individual needs medical care, they may leave self-quarantine to visit a healthcare provider.

Now it says:

If you are from an impacted state and get a diagnostic/virus test, you should still self-quarantine for 14 days. If you test negative, you are still advised to self-quarantine for 14 days because you remain in the incubation period.

https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/nj-info...ere-travel-restrictions-to-or-from-new-jersey

 

[Imzadi]

Thanks.

I also see the wording under testing on the NJ Covid site was changed - about 10 days ago it implied you would not need to quarantine for the full 14 days with a negative test:

New Jerseyans may travel out of state, however if they travel to a state that matches the above criteria, they should quarantine for 14-days when they return. Testing is available to everyone in New Jersey and is strongly encouraged for those who travelled to areas heavily impacted by COVID-19. To find a testing site near you, visit covid19.nj.gov/testing
Individuals should self-quarantine until they receive their test results. If they test positive, they should self-isolate for 10 days and at least 3 days after any fever is resolved. If the individual needs medical care, they may leave self-quarantine to visit a healthcare provider.

Now it says:

If you are from an impacted state and get a diagnostic/virus test, you should still self-quarantine for 14 days. If you test negative, you are still advised to self-quarantine for 14 days because you remain in the incubation period.

https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/nj-info...ere-travel-restrictions-to-or-from-new-jersey

Interesting change. I kind of feel that those 13 COVID positive people in Hoboken, inadvertently turned testing into a mousetrap. NJ hadn't realized so many travelers would come and actually be positive. They waved the free tests at travelers, like it was a piece of cheese. Then all those people turned out to be positive. It was lucky to catch them all. But, they realized there would be future problems as, one could be infected with COVID on the plane coming in. And they wouldn't know it for 5-14 days.