Nursing Moms - HELP!

In a hurry said:
I wouldn't leave my baby at that age while he is nusring. I have a 3 month old, and have had one case of mastitis. It was incredibly painful and developed after Jeff slept thru the night two nights in a row. I spent two weeks with a fever of 104 and on antibiotics. There isn't any way I would risk messing up the pattern of nursing now. I like nursing, believe it to be the healthiest of options, and wouldn't screw with it just to have a couple of days away.

And, my husband manages to nurture our baby without feeding the baby. Just as he did our daughter.

To some the nursing relationshipl is just more important. It is only for a time period. I am more than willing to make some concessions with my life for this brief committment.

It's great that you are secure with your life's choices that you feel so comfortable putting down those who make different choices! We need more women out there willing to nail someone else because of the choices they make for their family.
 
WDWfor5 said:
Although I rarely post, I was reading this thread and just wanted to say how tough it is to be a new mother. I remember all to well the pressure from family members who decided it would be good for me if I left the baby with Dad or Grandma for a "kids-free event". What no one seems to realize is that nursing or not, babies grow up so fast and it isn't best for mom or baby to be seperated. It's simply societal pressure to fit in and not inconvience other people. The biggest downside to extended seperation, is that the bond is broken. An infant doesn't know that mommy is coming back and assumes they've been abandoned. While they will "get over it", I don't understand doing it in the first place for something as unneccesary as a trip to WDW. :confused3

Putting on my flame proof suit now :rolleyes1

Jennifer, counting down to disney 1/28/05 with my DH, DD 6, DS 4 and DS 2

If your theory was true... Jack would feel abandoned every time Candice used the bathroom, since infants his age don't understand object permanence. That concept is nothing short of ridiculous.

And I don't think she decided to go on a weekend get away to avoid the social pressures.

My daughter is 3 and although I didn't leave her over night as young as Jack will be, I certainly went out and enjoyed dates with my husband and girlfriend outings. Our bond never suffered, she and I are very close. But she does know that there are many people who love her and can take care of her!
 
Dani&Pao'sMom said:
I hope you had a great time with Candice and the pumping goes really well. With DD4 my milk supply decreased with each of the three trips I had to make... with DD10months I had filled up two freezers... one is empty already, the other is still almost full....she's weaning herself from the breast because the bottle is faster and easier but she's still getting mommy's milk. Truth be told, each baby is different. Well, my post was to recomend, if she decides to store the milk (I had to throw it away due to international flights.... I can imagine going through customs.... "something to declare?" yeah.... 2 gallons of breast milk :rotfl2: :rotfl2: ) These are the bags I have used, the brand is Lansinoh. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...1/102-3518269-0254569?v=glance&s=hpc&n=507846

They work great, they can be frozen flat and then they can be stored more easily. I use any rectangular container (plastic, think tupperware) and I put them from the oldest in the front to the newest in the back so I get the oldest first.

Good luck!


Thank you for your suggestions. I am going to help her with getting all her "necessities" ready for the trip, and I'll probably sit with her in the babycare center while she pumps. (My DD refused to nurse, I pumped for 10 months, and she sat with me Many a times!)

Thanks again!
 
DISLOVE said:
It's great that you are secure with your life's choices that you feel so comfortable putting down those who make different choices! We need more women out there willing to nail someone else because of the choices they make for their family.


::MickeyMo ::MinnieMo I have five children. First one was breast fed until she had a bottle then would not nurse any more. Children 2,3, and 4. Breast fed only from me didn't want or take a bottle. Went from nursing to a cup. Child number 5 I bottle fed no nursing too tired and busy too be tied down. But you know what I am bonded with all of them and they are all just fine. Everyone has to make the choices that are best for them and whats going on in their lives. princess: princess:
 

DISLOVE said:
It's great that you are secure with your life's choices that you feel so comfortable putting down those who make different choices! We need more women out there willing to nail someone else because of the choices they make for their family.

I don't see where she put down any one else. She expressed her opinion that she would never leave a child that young for a "girl's vacation". That to her, her nursing relationship is more important than a long weekend for partying. She didn't say that this woman is a bad or irresponsible mother, she said it's not a choice she would make.

I happen to agree with her. I would never, ever dream of leaving my small babies for four days. For me, at four months postpartum I enjoy the chance for a bath, a leisurely walk by myself, or a chance to hop over to the grocery store without dragging all my children with me. I don't *want* four days away from my infant, an hour here or there will do just fine.

My daughter was born at a little over 24 weeks gestation. She spent nine long months in the NICU, the first several were spent fighting for her life. There were many, many times where I sat in the hospital chapel praying to God and thinking my precious baby was going to die. Each time there was a setback, I just prayed just for the chance to have her home....to live. I didn't have the chance to hold her until she was two months old. I pumped nonstop for 18 months because even when she came home, her milk needed to be fortified with extra calories. She was on oxygen until she over two years old, she lost her vision to ROP.

My son was a full term pregnancy and we were home within 24 hours. I would never dream of leaving him as a baby. I relished every moment and every cry and every opportunity to hold him and sling him and snuggle him in my arms. For the first two months he was home I would tear up every time he leaned nursed...something I was never able to do with my daughter. You would have had to have put me in a straight jacket and dragged me away because there was not a snowball's chance in Hawaii that I would leave my four month old for four days to party it up with friends. It wouldn't be fun, I wouldn't enjoy myself, spending time with my family is what was important and made me happy.

My attitude is born of personal experience. It is my opinion and after what I went through with my daughter it was very apparent to me that it is very easy for people to take their babies for granted. However, I fully recognize that this is my own opinion and it doesn't make any one else a bad mother for disagreeing with me. There are a lot of things I do as a parent that I am sure other people would not agree with. I hope this lady has a nice time, I hope the boys have a nice time, I hope everything works out and she can come back after four days and pick up nursing and have no problems pumping and I hope she enjoys herself. As long as she realizes she is taking a risk that her son will not nurse when she comes back, then she is making an informed decision. But it's not bashing anyone else to simply say that I wouldn't make the same choice because I have other priorities. :confused3
 
I was only sharing my experience with the whole BFing getting messed up. I wouldn't risk that for anything. I can forego a party or two during the year or so.

I wish that I could take a break, sometimes, too. If I could have quit when I had the mastitis, and just walked away, I would have. I was absolutely miserable. If your sister is fine with the risks to herself and to the whole nursing thing, that is her choice. I just wouldn't do it.

I didn't mean to upset anyone! I thought it was okay to give an opinion.
 
In a hurry said:
I was only sharing my experience with the whole BFing getting messed up. I wouldn't risk that for anything. I can forego a party or two during the year or so.

I wish that I could take a break, sometimes, too. If I could have quit when I had the mastitis, and just walked away, I would have. I was absolutely miserable. If your sister is fine with the risks to herself and to the whole nursing thing, that is her choice. I just wouldn't do it.

I didn't mean to upset anyone! I thought it was okay to give an opinion.

:) Welcome to the DIS! BFing is a "hot topic" around here, because many people feel very strongly about it. I know I did! (And, I cried my way thru mastitis with two of my boys, also!) If you express (no pun intended :goodvibes ) your feelings on it, someone will take that as a condemnation if they feel differently.

Enjoy your little guy! I miss having one!

Michelle
 
Opinions are fine, but I think DISLOVE is a little unsure that the opinions aren't bashing others' choices. All the talk about 'what is important' to everyone and 'taking babies for granted' - these types of phrases infer that the mom in question's baby is 'not as important' and that she is 'taking him for granted', and this, in my opinion, is not the case. Just because a mother also chooses to have other interests than her baby, it does not mean that these other interests are 'more important'. And there is no way someone who is considering the pros and cons of going so much and planning to store milk, and taking the time to make sure it will work well all around is taking her baby for granted. Just because one mother feels that she needs to be with her baby 7 by 24 with possibly an hour or two away in order not to be taking him for granted does not mean that another mother feels that way. Other mothers may feel that a break and bonding time with daddy is a great option that will present the best possible situation for their family. And that doesn't mean that their baby isn't the most important thing in the world to them.

I have 2 young children, work part-time (I'm amazed they're still so attached and bonded to me, and that they don't feel abandonded that I leave them with a loving sitter), and have many outside interests. I also have a very capable husband and lots of loving sitters who my children enjoy time with while I am elsewhere. I like the fact that I am showing by example that they can do anything/everything that they want. And if staying home with their kids one day is what will make them happiest - GO FOR IT, but if having outside interests makes them happiest - GO FOR IT.

I leave 2 weeks from today for a girls get-away 4 nights in Vegas! :banana:

That's my choice and my decision that works best for my family. And I'm not making it more important than my kids (nothing ever could be) or taking them for granted.
 
I'm going to address "not breastfeeding." I breastfed my daughter. My son was adopted at six and a half months. Much of the research on bonding, particularly the nonsense that comes out of breastfeeding advocates, is bad science. While it is very true that there can be attachment disorders in adopted kids (and bio kids as well), it usually takes a lot more to disrupt the parent-child relationship than breastfeeding or not....or spending four days away from your child. Millions of well formed, happy adoptive families are out there disproving the idea that a birth bond is vital. There are a very few children that seem predestined for attachment disorders - bio kids from normal non-abusive loving households that don't attach properly - but that is rare and its hard to say if anything could change that.

Breastfeed if it gives you and your child joy. If you find the breastfeeding relationship important, you should do what you feel necessary to ensure success. But I'm going to tell you I have a nicely attached, loving little boy who I didn't even hold for the first six months of his life. If it were true that attachment was doomed because of breastfeeding or time spent away from mom, no one would adopt.

(brymolmom, I did a girls weekend in Vegas with seven of my very best friends last winter. We had a great time. As important as my children are to me, my girlfriends have been a part of my life longer, and when my children are off and have lives of their own and don't call me for three weeks, my girlfriends and I will still be getting together. Treasure those relationships and nurture them. The nice thing about relationships is that you don't need to make one weak to nuture another. I can treasure my friends, my husband, my children, my sisters and my parents. Love is infinate.)
 
crisi said:
As important as my children are to me, my girlfriends have been a part of my life longer, and when my children are off and have lives of their own and don't call me for three weeks, my girlfriends and I will still be getting together. Treasure those relationships and nurture them. The nice thing about relationships is that you don't need to make one weak to nuture another. I can treasure my friends, my husband, my children, my sisters and my parents. Love is infinate.)

Absolutely perfectly put ;)
 
I think the OP has a great plan and it sounds like it will work out perfectly. They sound very knowledgeable about bfing/pumping and how it works. Many people do not understand the supply/demand aspect. I think the op will be a great support being familiar with pumping, and they are planning ahead. I hope everyone has a great time! :flower:

For myself, I would not leave a bfing baby. I am not comfortable with it. Since so few people really bf, especially an older baby, maybe the masses don't realize the pressure TO leave the baby when you don't want to. This is not any more OK than the pressure for someone to bf. Some people don't want to leave their babies and it doesn't mean they are too dependent or that bfing is ruining all their fun. The bfing relationship is a short part of life and trips away can resume when the baby is older. I just point that out, b/c it seems common to say 'hey, mom needs the break, don't make her feel bad" but no one thinks anything of making a bfing mom who doesn't want time away to feel bad for that, intentionally or not. Just an observation that it does go both ways.
 
rjthkids said:
My attitude is born of personal experience. It is my opinion and after what I went through with my daughter it was very apparent to me that it is very easy for people to take their babies for granted. :confused3

The implication that my sister (or any other woman who chooses to spend some time away from her baby) takes their baby for granted is offensive.

I appreciate your comments and your persepective, it just seems that the undertone from people who would not choose to leave their baby with a very competent and loving father... that you think you are a better mother or you are making a better choice for your baby.

That is infuriating...
 
brymolmom said:
Opinions are fine, but I think DISLOVE is a little unsure that the opinions aren't bashing others' choices. All the talk about 'what is important' to everyone and 'taking babies for granted' - these types of phrases infer that the mom in question's baby is 'not as important' and that she is 'taking him for granted', and this, in my opinion, is not the case. Just because a mother also chooses to have other interests than her baby, it does not mean that these other interests are 'more important'. And there is no way someone who is considering the pros and cons of going so much and planning to store milk, and taking the time to make sure it will work well all around is taking her baby for granted. Just because one mother feels that she needs to be with her baby 7 by 24 with possibly an hour or two away in order not to be taking him for granted does not mean that another mother feels that way. Other mothers may feel that a break and bonding time with daddy is a great option that will present the best possible situation for their family. And that doesn't mean that their baby isn't the most important thing in the world to them.

That's my choice and my decision that works best for my family. And I'm not making it more important than my kids (nothing ever could be) or taking them for granted.

That couldn't be said better... Thank you for clearly stating how I feel about the turn this topic took. :goodvibes
 
DISLOVE said:
The implication that my sister (or any other woman who chooses to spend some time away from her baby) takes their baby for granted is offensive.

I appreciate your comments and your persepective, it just seems that the undertone from people who would not choose to leave their baby with a very competent and loving father... that you think you are a better mother or you are making a better choice for your baby.

That is infuriating...

I am sorry if you find it offensive. But all I can say, is once you have had a child who has almost died, your perspective changes. I don't expect you or anyone else who hasn't had to sit in a hospital room for months not knowing if you baby is going to live to possibly understand. That is a bond that is borne of horrible tragedy and it changes you. You don't think the same way afterwards, your priorities change, everything about your life changes. I have met with hundreds of other mothers who had sick children in both the NICU and later on in the PICU. Mothers whose children have cancer, genetic disorders that are slowly killing them, small children waiting for transplants, you name it. Life and death issues consume you every single day. You walk out of the hospital after sleeping in a rocking chair for four days in a row. It's your first breathe of fresh air. You haven't even thought about eating in days but you know you should. You walk past people who are just living every day life...talking, laughing, eating takeout food in the park. And you feel like an alien from outer space, because you are in a completely different place. And all you can think about is how grateful you will be to wake up one day in your own bed in your own house and the only thing you have to worry about is what to cook for dinner and if you time to run to the grocery store today.

And, when you finally do get the chance to wake up in your own bed for the first time in almost a year, and your child is there and you can actually hold her whenever you want, it's a completely different sense of appreciation. It's been four years now and I still wake up every morning with such an intense sense of gratitude, overwhelmed at how lucky I am to be waking up in my own house while tens of thousands of mothers never went to sleep the night before, sitting a cold hospital chair watching over there sick child and praying that they can make it through one more night. I am very acutely aware, every single day of my life, what a gift it is to be released from that worry. Most people don't think twice about it--- *that's* what I mean by taking things for granted. I don't assume my children are going to be there forever and everything perfectly fine. I realize that time in this world is very, very uncertain and very very precious, and my children are only young for a very, very short period of time. And I have sat with mothers who have been crying their eyes out with regret over things they wish they could have done differently if "only they knew" what was going to happen. If only they knew that their only child was going to be dead of cancer by the time he turned three, if only they knew that there wasn't going to be another birthday, another Christmas, another chance to spend time together. I have seen mothers cry because of time *they didn't spend* with their children, I have never ever seen a mother in the hospital with a terminally ill child who was regretting all time they spent with their child instead of doing other things. When it all boils down to the essence of what is important, I have seen people who make these judgements and how priorities change. That is what I was trying to get at.

I would also like to repeat what I said earlier, because I feel like it is being glossed over
I fully recognize that this is my own opinion and it doesn't make any one else a bad mother for disagreeing with me. There are a lot of things I do as a parent that I am sure other people would not agree with. I hope this lady has a nice time, I hope the boys have a nice time, I hope everything works out and she can come back after four days and pick up nursing and have no problems pumping and I hope she enjoys herself. As long as she realizes she is taking a risk that her son will not nurse when she comes back, then she is making an informed decision. But it's not bashing anyone else to simply say that I wouldn't make the same choice.

I really do hope every one has a nice time. My words are simply one, humble opinion. I do not presume to be so full of myself to think that what I would or would not do should have any weight in this decision. Honestly and truly, the only children I have business parenting are my own. I don't wish anyone ill or and certainly wouldn't speak ill of a woman I have never met. I am sure she is a wonderful and caring mother. I just have a different perspective and therefore a very different idea of what I would do in that situation. But I am not in her situation and I am not her.

This is a board to discuss happy things. We are on the Disney FAMILY board and we should be edifying one another and this should be an enjoyable place to discuss our Disney vacations, not cause stress and make any one else upset. I am sorry that this thread has turned into something the OP did not intend. I am sorry if my words were seen as offensive. I truly hope that everything works out wonderfully and you get to post a trip report after your vacation that everything went better than imagined!

Have a great time.
:-)
 
rjthkids said:
I am sorry if you find it offensive. But all I can say, is once you have had a child who has almost died, your perspective changes. ... That is a bond that is borne of horrible tragedy and it changes you. You don't think the same way afterwards, your priorities change, everything about your life changes.

I just wanted to say how much this resonated with me. We lost our second child this last April. She was born full-term but had complications at birth and only lived in the NICU for 9 days. That experience has totally altered my perceptions and concepts of parenting. It changes you. I understand as a parent the need to take a break, but for me, I honestly can't fathom being able to leave such a small baby for that long a period of time anymore. Not saying its harmful to the child or anything, but just that my mind just can't comprehend being able to do that.
 
It is definetely a life changing event. While I never left my first for any length of time (more than a few hours to go food shopping), when my 2nd was born 12 weeks early and spent most of that in the NICU it changed my prespective. While he is totally healthy now, I learned that too many people take children for granted. I have learned that they are babies for only such a short while and that I am the adult and can put off my wants/needs until they are older. If you make all or most of your parenting decisions based on what's best for the baby instead of what is fun for mom, it's pretty simple. Not saying others will choose to parent this eay, just works for me.

Jennifer, counting down to disney 1/28/05 with my DH, DD 6, DS 4 and DS 2
 
egoldber said:
I just wanted to say how much this resonated with me. We lost our second child this last April. She was born full-term but had complications at birth and only lived in the NICU for 9 days. That experience has totally altered my perceptions and concepts of parenting.

I am so, so very sorry for the loss of your precious baby. My heart just breaks knowing that not every baby makes it out of the NICU and into their parents arms. :guilty: :guilty: :guilty: :guilty: :guilty:

It changes you. I understand as a parent the need to take a break, but for me, I honestly can't fathom being able to leave such a small baby for that long a period of time anymore. Not saying its harmful to the child or anything, but just that my mind just can't comprehend being able to do that.

I completely understand. I hope you are finding comfort and peace even while you mourn the loss of your daughter. God bless you and your family.
 







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