Non-resort guests can not reserve FP+ early

[JimmyV]

I don't think they are at 95%, more like 80% from what I have read, and that's probably inflated in my opinion.

If it is 80% and estimate roughly $250 a room in extra revenue per night for an occupied room, they are leaving about half a billion dollars on the table every year.

The percentages fluctuate. But if there is one thing that is clear from this thread, there are many, many people who are not going to trade their Off Site square footage, kitchens and rates for 3 FP+ per day, especially if the FPs are tiered. So while occupancy percentages will no doubt go up, they aren't going to sell out every room every night to get to the half billion number suggested. Maybe we'll see a bump of a few percentage points. Maybe even 5%. But not a 20% bump.

 

[ArwenMarie]

The percentages fluctuate. But if there is one thing that is clear from this thread, there are many, many people who are not going to trade their Off Site square footage, kitchens and rates for 3 FP+ per day, especially if the FPs are tiered. So while occupancy percentages will no doubt go up, they aren't going to sell out every room every night to get to the half billion number suggested. Maybe we'll see a bump of a few percentage points. Maybe even 5%. But not a 20% bump.

I agree, they won't be able to move everyone onsite, no matter what they do.

Each percentage point is worth a lot of revenue though.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

You and I have already had this conversation. Only time will tell, but it is likely that they know what they are doing, because they do much more often than not. LuminAria and Light Magic are how old now? In the meantime plenty of good things have happened.

Foolproof? Of course not. But, if you're a betting man, you play the odds.

~I totally agree. Fastpass is a simple complimentary service that afforded us quicker access to some rides, most of the time. It's not a deal breaker for us in the least.

~We're commando's who arrive at the parks early and leave late, we used to run up and down all day collecting FP's to use later in the evening so we couldn't park hop without wasting FP's. And, we also gave a lot of FP's away that we didn't want. I love that we don't have to waste time running from FP machine to FP machine. We accomplish even more in the parks now.

~We love FP+ and Magic Bands way better than the old legacy one. I'm having so much fun planning this trip, and we're super excited about the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, too.

 

[Robo]

I don't accept that, per se.

If that were the only situation, there would be no stories about "New Coke" and "Disney's Light Magic."

Arbitrary change can be arbitrarily changed AGAIN-
if there is a hue and cry against the ill-conceived plan.

These "negative threads" can serve to keep the info flowing
to both the consumers and the providers of the policies.

Disagree entirely, the capital investment and the impact on reputation alone will mean no way back for FP+. The only way forward is to make it better

Maybe you just misinterpreted that post.
I don't think you really do "disagree entirely..." as you can see from
another of my posts from this same thread.

I think they've created an inferior, disappointing system.
Can it be improved?
It looks like it would have to be.

The discussion will continue.

 

[Mkrop]

Just read that JC Penney is closing a lot of stores, they did tons of research, change their policies about coupons and sales, and failed miserably...so it can happen

 

[xie]

Just read that JC Penney is closing a lot of stores, they did tons of research, change their policies about coupons and sales, and failed miserably...so it can happen

The problem with JCPenney wasn't that they changed their policies and stopped coupons. I didn't mind that.

What I minded was that when I went back after the "changeover", the merchandise was BAD. I mean bad bad. Whoever was responsible for deciding what clothing to buy failed miserably. I used to buy the kids' clothes in there regularly - not because they had coupons, tho I'd use it if I had one - but because they had decent brands that were made well, held up, and a good range of sizes. When I went back, the sales floor was 3/4 empty, and the few things on the racks were just terrible. It was like walking into a half full Ross Dress for Less.

If they'd had anything worth buying, they might have made a go of it.

 

[mom2rtk]

The problem with JCPenney wasn't that they changed their policies and stopped coupons. I didn't mind that.

What I minded was that when I went back after the "changeover", the merchandise was BAD. I mean bad bad. Whoever was responsible for deciding what clothing to buy failed miserably. I used to buy the kids' clothes in there regularly - not because they had coupons, tho I'd use it if I had one - but because they had decent brands that were made well, held up, and a good range of sizes. When I went back, the sales floor was 3/4 empty, and the few things on the racks were just terrible. It was like walking into a half full Ross Dress for Less.

If they'd had anything worth buying, they might have made a go of it.

Case in point that even large previously successful companies can mess up lots of things all at once.

And I agree with you about the product selection. Thankfully they still carry the Arizona jeans my son wears. Beyond that though? Meh. And I agree. The store always look empty.

 

[Mkrop]

The problem with JCPenney wasn't that they changed their policies and stopped coupons. I didn't mind that.

What I minded was that when I went back after the "changeover", the merchandise was BAD. I mean bad bad. Whoever was responsible for deciding what clothing to buy failed miserably. I used to buy the kids' clothes in there regularly - not because they had coupons, tho I'd use it if I had one - but because they had decent brands that were made well, held up, and a good range of sizes. When I went back, the sales floor was 3/4 empty, and the few things on the racks were just terrible. It was like walking into a half full Ross Dress for Less.

If they'd had anything worth buying, they might have made a go of it.

Maybe you did not but many people on the JCP thread said it was the change in coupon policy, and there were other articles as well. But the point still stands a major corporation can make major blunders that then have to try and recover from.

 

[ougrad86]

This Will make the Toy Story Mania Death March look like child's play.

never have heard it referred to as a Death March!!

I read that and immediately I had this vision of a Fast Pass kiosk outside the gate that opens at 5am (or 3 hours before rope drop, whenever it may be) so all the offsiters could get in line to book their passes for the day, and the line outside it went for miles.

I have a very vivid imagination.

But I agree that they should have something there as guest approach the park, available before RD. That would make so much more sense, and take care of the first early wave.

Of course, the last time we stayed offsite, we could not get to MK from the TTC because it was morning EMH. I wanted to get there an hour before our RD so we could be ready to go in. So we walked to the Poly, and got on the monorail there. While my bag was being checked, DH just slid his ticket on thru and walked right through with no problem . They did not even check to see if we were onsite! With MB's, I don't think that kind of mistake can happen again!

We were going to say at SOG, but chose not to and booked onsite. Going during SB, trying to book FP's when we get there probably won't work.

 

[ougrad86]

The problem with JCPenney wasn't that they changed their policies and stopped coupons. I didn't mind that.
What I minded was that when I went back after the "changeover", the merchandise was BAD. I mean bad bad. Whoever was responsible for deciding what clothing to buy failed miserably. I used to buy the kids' clothes in there regularly - not because they had coupons, tho I'd use it if I had one - but because they had decent brands that were made well, held up, and a good range of sizes. When I went back, the sales floor was 3/4 empty, and the few things on the racks were just terrible. It was like walking into a half full Ross Dress for Less.
If they'd had anything worth buying, they might have made a go of it.

I don't like most of their merchandise, at least not what I see in the stores, which as you mentioned are often half empty. My son likes the Arizona jeans, but he is now outgrowing them. But they were good jeans. Coupons, I get them constantly. I ordered some jeans online awhile back, get coupons up the wazoo.