No the Magic isn’t gone but it’s at 25%

Sure it is. Anyone that wants to buy it can
Explain to me just how that's different?
EP sells out, it's limited in how many they sell so it's available to everyone but not everyone will get one depending on the days.

I mentioned on another thread there was a day (I forget when) where a 1park ticket IOA was sold out for Unlimited Express pass.

With how Genie+ is right now it's available to everyone to purchase and everyone can purchase it without limits.
 
EP sells out, it's limited in how many they sell so it's available to everyone but not everyone will get one depending on the days.

I mentioned on another thread there was a day (I forget when) where a 1park ticket IOA was sold out for Unlimited Express pass.

With how Genie+ is right now it's available to everyone to purchase and everyone can purchase it without limits.
Which IMO is a big reason Genie+ doesn't work.
 
I know if feels like it always available at Universal. Due to the price many don't buy it. It does have limited availability.
That 2 totally different things, and not what you said. You said not available to everyone that that's just wrong.
Technically Genie+ is not available to everyone because some pass on it due to price so for that comparison it's exactly the same
Folks opting NOT to buy due to price is not the same as not being available. It's available to them, if they want it
If enough do buy it, along with those who get it for free, either with their AP or with their hotel stay, it can make the EP lines long
I was just confused because you made to posts within a few posts of each other that totally went against each other and I wasn't sure what side you wanted to be on
 
From the local DISers we know (one being a CM)...they would much rather have SB only. They dearly miss the time when SB was the only option, they milked that for all they could. As one put it "Pirates is now ruined with LL" (it was at least less so to them with FP+).

One couple who probably has the strongest emotions of the local DISers had just moved down to Orlando in November 2020 so they were used to traveling as a visitor before. The CM had moved down in April 2019 but had been going to Disney their whole life over at DLR and was used to being a frequent visitor to WDW.

With comparison you have to compare SB to SB. It doesn't make sense to compare SB to FP+ or LL as in how long you would have waited for a ride. So for you who went in August 2021 you'd have to compare your SB wait times with your SB wait times of present.
For a CM not having a second line of course makes there job way easier…. they do not have to worry about the flow….

But that does not mean the guests would like it.

I wonder how FP+’worked so well for me, and they felt it was not good?

Did anyone hate FP+?
 

For a CM not having a second line of course makes there job way easier…. they do not have to worry about the flow….

But that does not mean the guests would like it.

I wonder how FP+’worked so well for me, and they felt it was not good?

Did anyone hate FP+?
Yes, there are posts of people who hated having to plan their rides so far in advance. There's ALWAYS someone who hates something. ALWAYS
 
That 2 totally different things, and not what you said. You said not available to everyone that that's just wrong.
Technically Genie+ is not available to everyone because some pass on it due to price so for that comparison it's exactly the same
Folks opting NOT to buy due to price is not the same as not being available. It's available to them, if they want it
If enough do buy it, along with those who get it for free, either with their AP or with their hotel stay, it can make the EP lines long
I was just confused because you made to posts within a few posts of each other that totally went against each other and I wasn't sure what side you wanted to be on
As the PP said Express Pass can sell out as well. I only mentioned Express Pass as most people know of it. I personally am more of a fan on how Cedar Fair parks do it. No one gets it free, is priced higher then a day ticket and has limited sales. That way standby isn't affected as much and those who buy it get on a lot more attractions with little wait.

For a CM not having a second line of course makes there job way easier…. they do not have to worry about the flow….

But that does not mean the guests would like it.

I wonder how FP+’worked so well for me, and they felt it was not good?

Did anyone hate FP+?
I absolutely hated it. I hate Genie+ as well. I can't stand return times.
 
For a CM not having a second line of course makes there job way easier…. they do not have to worry about the flow….

But that does not mean the guests would like it.

I wonder how FP+’worked so well for me, and they felt it was not good?

Did anyone hate FP+?
No I'm talking about the CM who is visiting the parks as a guest, not them being on their job. Their job when they first got down there and until late last year was not even in the parks it was transportation, all of their experiences were that of a guest I'm speaking of.

This was their comment last week in our joint chat 1654268184589.png

This was a Jan/early Feb for the other couple:
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Now ToT has the one side down presently so that one is hard to compare.



Yes people hated FP+ there was a priority given to FP+ guests but observationally the priority seems even more. I think 90/10? vs 80/20 (FP+). People hated FP+ for having to pick a ride 60 days down the road when they had no idea that's what they wanted. The intriguing part is seeing how many who hated the pre-planning who desperately want that back because of what the system is like now.
 
Technically Genie+ is not available to everyone because some pass on it due to price so for that comparison it's exactly the same
That's switching up what the meaning of available is.

Available and opting/choosing are not at all the same way (technically speaking that is).

In terms of who can purchase it everyone can purchase EP and Genie+ but EP has a limit such that it can sell out, presently that is not how Genie+ operates. Universal already accounts for how many guests get EP as part of their hotel stay. In terms of experience far fewer people have complaints over at Universal despite the fact that there is EP, while not perfect they haven't diluted the product down enough where the experience of SB is on the same level as what people complain about with Disney and over at Universal just about everyone seems totally willing to wait in SB line for rides that don't have it. I think the only ride that you'll probably hear complaints loudly enough is Hogwarts Express on the days where that is extremely long (meaning discussing EP).
 
Did anyone hate FP+?
Absolutely. There was just as much complaining about how FP+ worked as to how Genie+ works. I have no proof to quantify that, but I do recall all the negativity around 'booking so far in advance', and 'how am I supposed to know exactly what attractions I want to do 60 days in advance?".... There were people that hated the original FP! It's inevitable. The only commonality among the different FP's is that they were all optional! Standby lines still are constant...... I found it fascinating how when WDW reopened during Covid and had only standby lines, how people reacted - some really liked it again! Maybe we should just go back to standby queues - first come, first on.....
 
Absolutely. There was just as much complaining about how FP+ worked as to how Genie+ works. I have no proof to quantify that, but I do recall all the negativity around 'booking so far in advance', and 'how am I supposed to know exactly what attractions I want to do 60 days in advance?".... There were people that hated the original FP! It's inevitable. The only commonality among the different FP's is that they were all optional! Standby lines still are constant...... I found it fascinating how when WDW reopened during Covid and had only standby lines, how people reacted - some really liked it again! Maybe we should just go back to standby queues - first come, first on.....
I did remember people saying this, but they seemed the minority to me.

There was much more anxiety for it, since it basically doubled the ADR anxiety to rides…

As a planner, I personally loved it, and hoped G+ would allow scheduling also.
 
Did anyone hate FP+?
Oh yes. People complained about that too. Complaining that they had to book them 60 days in advance when they simply couldn't possibly know what they wanted to do that early. Complaining that they had to book them at 7am at the 60-day mark when THAT's when they have to get ready for work/get kids ready/work the night shift and need to sleep in. Complaining every single time Disney tweaked the tiers. Complaining when CL guests got the option to pay for extra FP+ because that's not what Walt would envision and (pearl-clutching) he must be rolling over in his grave.

No matter what the system is, some people are going to hate it...and they're going to need to make sure everyone knows how they feel.
 
I feel real bad for the CMs. They didn’t choose this system and are getting yelled at by everyone. This morning my slinky spun for 5 min so the first I could get was 7. Also 7 for rise and I have an Ogas at that time. They wouldn’t move anything at guest services.
This may be a rumor, or someone's(mine?) imagination, but I heard if you show your Ogas' reservation time, they will let you in Rise. Maybe stop by before the reservation, and they may let you in before.

Never hurts to ask.

Good Luck.
 
This may be a rumor, or someone's(mine?) imagination, but I heard if you show your Ogas' reservation time, they will let you in Rise. Maybe stop by before the reservation, and they may let you in before.

Never hurts to ask.

Good Luck.
That's true! They'll at least let you in late if you don't make it to Rise by the end of your window because you were at Oga's. I agree it wouldn't hurt to stop by and ask if you can go early as well.
 
When was your last trip?
I was there on Monday this week.
I know for ILL they did not offer any times on the 2nd park prior to 2:00 positively. Either ILL is different from they Genie options or they've tweaked the system since then
We were there last week in April.

I don't remember $ILL because I could pick the window I wanted which was usually later in the afternoon/evening for the second park.

We started each day at Epcot and hopped to another park. For Genie Plus it showed us times earlier than 2:00 but when I tried to grab them I got the error saying "automatically adjusting for park hopping" and my time changed. Slinky Dog was the first ride that happened for me and I remember being annoyed because it took me a second to remember we couldn't hop until 2:00PM. We had the same experience two other days hopping to MK. It would show me genie plus times prior to 2:00 but then change the time when I tried to book.
 
For a CM not having a second line of course makes there job way easier…. they do not have to worry about the flow….

But that does not mean the guests would like it.

I wonder how FP+’worked so well for me, and they felt it was not good?

Did anyone hate FP+?
You would have thought the entire world ended when they implemented FP+ there was so much complaining around here. It was actually a much larger uproar than what we have seen over Genie Plus.

The funny thing is many of the posters who swore they would stop giving Disney their money because of the implementation of FP+ 10 years ago are now the same ones singing the praises of FP+

Disney fans can be quite expressive and will literally complain about everything.
 
This may be a rumor, or someone's(mine?) imagination, but I heard if you show your Ogas' reservation time, they will let you in Rise. Maybe stop by before the reservation, and they may let you in before.

Never hurts to ask.

Good Luck.
No rumor. You are not penalized for ILL or G+ overlapping ADR or vice versa. Just let the one know what happened and they will accommodate. Even today's Disney isn't cruel enough to prevent you from using an ILL you paid for today for an ADR you booked 60 days ago, or vice versa, make you pay a no show fee for an ADR you booked 60 days ago for an ILL you had no idea you'd get today (or G+)

It is easier to move around G+/ILL/VQ times than tables at ADR so go to those where possible.
 
No rumor. You are not penalized for ILL or G+ overlapping ADR or vice versa. Just let the one know what happened and they will accommodate. Even today's Disney isn't cruel enough to prevent you from using an ILL you paid for today for an ADR you booked 60 days ago, or vice versa, make you pay a no show fee for an ADR you booked 60 days ago for an ILL you had no idea you'd get today (or G+)

It is easier to move around G+/ILL/VQ times than tables at ADR so go to those where possible.
To add to this:

Our trip in April we had many conflicts due to park hopping every day, rides being down different times and sometimes I just made LL and ILL too close together. Any time we had an issue we went to one of the guest service umbrella stands where they had CM's with iPads. We found the CM's to be incredibly helpful and really move mountains to help people. They had tons of flexibility to move LL's and ILL's around as long as it was in THAT park. With any tricky conflicts they were great at issuing the "any experience" passes which gave us much more flexibility.

We also noticed a couple in front of us who had been in line for Remy a long time and it had multiple break-downs. The couple waited so long for Remy they were in danger of missing their ADR over at Boma for like 5:30. The CM at Epcot was able to go in and change their ADR manually to 7 PM which was a big relief to them.
 
Did anyone hate FP+?

Yep. We were some of those who hated pre-booking rides months in advance. Scheduling is the antithesis of fun. Who schedules fun? What bureaucratic masochism is that? If we're already having fun, do we stop because we have something scheduled somewhere on the other side of the park? That's not a vacation, that's a symposium. (this is tongue in cheek, but I do prefer spontaneity)

We blew off so many FP+ because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time compared to what we currently were enjoying. Thankfully, we go when crowds are low enough we can. I didn't mind having the FP+ as a fallback if crowds were heavy, but we prefered the serendipitous nature of the paper FP system, and our best trip to WDW in decades was last August when everything was back to standby and the standby lines flew.
 
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However when the extra hours are from
11-1 there’s not much benefit.
I think it depends on the age of the party. When our kids were young, I agree. It would be nearly impossible to stay up that late.

Now, 11pm -1am sounds like a dream because our kids are older, 15-20, and can easily stay up that late (when those with little kiddos cannot.)

From the local DISers we know (one being a CM)...they would much rather have SB only. They dearly miss the time when SB was the only option, they milked that for all they could. As one put it "Pirates is now ruined with LL" (it was at least less so to them with FP+).

One couple who probably has the strongest emotions of the local DISers had just moved down to Orlando in November 2020 so they were used to traveling as a visitor before. The CM had moved down in April 2019 but had been going to Disney their whole life over at DLR and was used to being a frequent visitor to WDW.

With comparison you have to compare SB to SB. It doesn't make sense to compare SB to FP+ or LL as in how long you would have waited for a ride. So for you who went in August 2021 you'd have to compare your SB wait times with your SB wait times of present.
Well, I'm always going to make comparisons based on our most efficient way to tour parks at WDW. I will take advantage of the systems offered to me. The only time we've HAD to use standby only, it was way worse than the combination of using Standby and Fastpass.

I'm going to compare wait time to wait time using the best system available to me at the time. Even though the lines moved faster, my average wait time with "standby only" was WAY longer than when we had paper fastpass or FP+ available. Why handicap myself with only riding standby now that G+ is offered? I fully expect my average waits to drop with G+ versus last summer with "standby only"

Dan
 












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