No storm along Bay ?

[eMoneyBug]

I think SAB pool is part of the cash side of YC resort but it allows DVC BC folks to use it. DVC BC have their own quiet pool, so really if a private party/company/NBA in this instance buys out the YC, sorry money talks, it always does.

 

[cakebaker]

I still say NBA won't be in SAB. YC teams are expected to be the first out (or moved). So, YC/BC hopefully reopens after that (Labor Day weekend at the latest) along with SAB. Too much ability to walk by SAB and gawk at them/photograph. The leisure pool should suffice, especially given the team schedules. They aren't really at the hotel during the day from what I have seen. On game days they don't even get back until like 11 pm.

They aren't looking to just give them what will suffice. They are out to give them the kind of over the top luxury they are used to, as best they can within the limits of WDW. I've seen the proposed schedules- they have a ton of off time. It is easy to block of the area to keep the regular people at bay.

There is no way they have a bunch of nba guys sitting in sab while paying customers and more importantly DVC “owners” of the pool can’t go in you maniacs!

They are prioritizing the NBA players over the guests in every way, why wouldn't they do it here as well? Of course they will. The elite aren't going to settle for looking outside their window at the best pool on property and not be able to use it.

 

[Heather07438]

Do BCV dues help pay maintenance on SAB? I'm pretty sure they do.

We don't know what will happen yet but I can understand the concern. DVC guests are worried if they can even get into the parks everyday, if hours will be reduced and further limit their time, and that SAB's unavailability might be so other people can have access. At least if you couldn't get into a park you could do SAB... if it was available. It makes the situation feel worse.

 

[Cattrip]

I agree they should have mentioned it when you were on the phone talking about your reservation. But it's not really "hidden" information as it's clearly noted on WDW's website: https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/experience-updates/resorts/

I booked a while ago....I would have booked somewhere else had I known. At his point, I am just keeping it because I am tired of booking and rebooking...

 

[Sandisw]

I do not have any plans to go to Disney at this point, but as a DVC owner at BCV I have a serious issue if they are keeping SAB reserved for the NBA players at the YC. SAB is the reason we bought DVC at BCV, and I think that is the same for many. If I had a DVC reservation and they were not allowing access due the NBA I would be furious.

Unfortunately, SAB Isn’t part of DVC. It is part of Disney’s hotels. DVC owners pay a fractional share of its use and with those closed, Disney wasn’t funding

Now, as long as it’s not available, they cant charge owners for expenses.

 

[Sandisw]

Do BCV dues help pay maintenance on SAB? I'm pretty sure they do.

We don't know what will happen yet but I can understand the concern. DVC guests are worried if they can even get into the parks everyday, if hours will be reduced and further limit their time, and that SAB's unavailability might be so other people can have access. At least if you couldn't get into a park you could do SAB... if it was available. It makes the situation feel worse.

It’s based on occupancy rates, so it’s a very small share compared to what Disney pays since it is part of YC/BC.

 

[Dennis DVC]

i guess i’ll say what no one else wants to, how are you gonna stop NBA groupies from sneaking in and out? if you think most these players will
be bringing wife and kids know they will also have side rooms for side relationships. (if you think that doesn’t happen google why kobe and shaq split up) so shutting down SAB or what ever you want is futile. this was a desperate act to grab a bag of cash for a company that just took the biggest financial hit in history. in the end us lowly DVC just got outranked and bought out for a fast buck. that’s a sad harsh reality and yes ppl will write “but you don’t pay for sab” or “that’s a bonus” what ever you wanna say i get it but i don’t pretend like when i booked BCV i didn’t do it for the pool and proximity

 

[Sandisw]

i guess i’ll say what no one else wants to, how are you gonna stop NBA groupies from sneaking in and out? if you think most these players will
be bringing wife and kids know they will also have side rooms for side relationships. (if you think that doesn’t happen google why kobe and shaq split up) so shutting down SAB or what ever you want is futile. this was a desperate act to grab a bag of cash for a company that just took the biggest financial hit in history. in the end us lowly DVC just got outranked and bought out for a fast buck. that’s a sad harsh reality and yes ppl will write “but you don’t pay for sab” or “that’s a bonus” what ever you wanna say i get it but i don’t pretend like when i booked BCV i didn’t do it for the pool and proximity

I don’t think anyone doubts people bought BCV or stay at BCV because of the pool.

The piece is that somehow people believe Disney is under an obligation to open it if they don’t have YC and BC open to guests,

Take the NBA out of it..as long as they are not opening the resorts to guests, DVC owners have no ability to force them to open SAB.

People can absolutely feel frustrated and disappointed, but there are people out there who really do not know that when they bought BCV it did not include a right to SAB.

 

[Heather01]

I love how Stormalong Bay is The Yacht Club/The Beach Club/The Beach Club Villas biggest pool...and with Covid-19 concerns...they want to close it down...and funnel all these guests to their quiet pools which are a lot smaller! Talk about creating more of a problem putting guests in a smaller area!

 

[Ryan L]

Again, DVC points for rooms are not based on having access to SAB. One has nothing to do with the other in terms of operations.

Of course BCV is popular because of it, but the pool is not part of DVC or any of its components.

Not sure how happy BCV owners would have been to find out they would be billed for the entire cost if it opened before YC/BC.

Sure, disappointing, but certainly not a surprise why Disney decided not to open.

If you have access to it as a DVC member, then it is part of DVC. Also, it is perhaps the biggest selling point of the resort, so to just take it away while charging the same price is not cool. Whether they technically have the "right" to do it or not isn't the point.

 

[Sandisw]

If you have access to it as a DVC member, then it is part of DVC. Also, it is perhaps the biggest selling point of the resort, so to just take it away while charging the same price is not cool. Whether they technically have the "right" to do it or not isn't the point.

Actually, it Is not part of DVC just because you have access. Won’t go into the contract, but owners of BCV have no legal right to it, Points charts were not built with SAB as a deeded element.

They pay Disney a fee to use it based on occupancy. As long as when it is closed Disney doesn’t bill DVC...which they wont...its a simply a perk that is unavailable.

I know my view isnt popular, but I also believe that people should be aware of the reality of it ..especially as there may be cash guests who consider buying DVC and think that is part of the deal.

 

[chicagoshannon]

Actually, it Is not part of DVC just because you have access. Won’t go into the contract, but owners of BCV have no legal right to it, Points charts were not built with SAB as a deeded element.

They pay Disney a fee to use it based on occupancy. As long as when it is closed Disney doesn’t bill DVC...which they wont...its a simply a perk that is unavailable.

I know my view isnt popular, but I also believe that people should be aware of the reality of it ..especially as there may be cash guests who consider buying DVC and think that is part of the deal.

Original point chart were not based on the pool (maybe but they are more than BWV so it's not just based on location) HOWEVER the current sale price IS partially based on that pool. The reason they can get the price they do is directly related to that pool.

Fact is BCV people DO partially pay for that pool. Sure they don't pay for all of it but it IS part of their dues. Therefore they do have a right to that pool IF it is open. IF they open it for the NBA and not DVC that is a problem.

 

[Ryan L]

Actually, it Is not part of DVC just because you have access. Won’t go into the contract, but owners of BCV have no legal right to it, Points charts were not built with SAB as a deeded element.

They pay Disney a fee to use it based on occupancy. As long as when it is closed Disney doesn’t bill DVC...which they wont...its a simply a perk that is unavailable.

I know my view isnt popular, but I also believe that people should be aware of the reality of it ..especially as there may be cash guests who consider buying DVC and think that is part of the deal.

If you have access to something then it is part of it. Simple as that. I don't care what the contract says, if they are encouraging you to use SAB while staying as a DVC guest, than it is part of the experience. And again, the point isn't whether Disney has the legal right to do something or not. The point is that it's a crappy thing to do while charging the same price, because they know damn well that one of the main reasons people book BCV is because of that very pool. There are a lot of things that any company technically has the "right" to do. That doesn't mean it's good customer service to do so.

 

[Sandisw]

If you have access to something then it is part of it. Simple as that. I don't care what the contract says, if they are encouraging you to use SAB while staying as a DVC guest, than it is part of the experience. And again, the point isn't whether Disney has the legal right to do something or not. The point is that it's a crappy thing to do while charging the same price, because they know damn well that one of the main reasons people book BCV is because of that very pool. There are a lot of things that any company technically has the "right" to do. That doesn't mean it's good customer service to do so.

Then you don’t understand the difference between being a timeshare owner and a Disney guest.

There are laws that guide the reduction of points and with that, we can agree to disagree that SAB is not a part of DVC ownership...no matter how much people want it to be.

 

[cakebaker]

I love how Stormalong Bay is The Yacht Club/The Beach Club/The Beach Club Villas biggest pool...and with Covid-19 concerns...they want to close it down...and funnel all these guests to their quiet pools which are a lot smaller! Talk about creating more of a problem putting guests in a smaller area!

But they have to have a place for the NBA. That's the whole point. Looks like they're opening a bunch of resorts very soon since the CM's are being called back to many of them. The only reason the YC will be closed is to house the NBA for whatever time they are there. The reasoning that they wouldn't have opened it except for the NBA coming is shot. But, they need the players to have only the best and there's no question but that SAB is the best pool on site. I'll take all the I told you so's in the world if that pool isn't open for them.

And if today's 2.5 hr waits to make reservations for dining while the parks are closed, and only for resort guests at that, is any indication of demand, good luck on getting pool time when they combine people with BW's pool.

 

[Ryan L]

Then you don’t understand the difference between being a timeshare owner and a Disney guest.

There are laws that guide the reduction of points and with that, we can agree to disagree that SAB is not a part of DVC ownership...no matter how much people want it to be.

Are you intentionally missing the point I'm making here? It is irrelevant what the laws say or what Disney may or may not have the right to do, the point is that its a crappy thing to do when Disney is fully aware that one of the main selling points of BCV is that pool. It's just bad customer service and it makes people feel taken advantage of.

 

[Dennis DVC]

But they have to have a place for the NBA. That's the whole point. Looks like they're opening a bunch of resorts very soon since the CM's are being called back to many of them. The only reason the YC will be closed is to house the NBA for whatever time they are there. The reasoning that they wouldn't have opened it except for the NBA coming is shot. But, they need the players to have only the best and there's no question but that SAB is the best pool on site. I'll take all the I told you so's in the world if that pool isn't open for them.

And if today's 2.5 hr waits to make reservations for dining while the parks are closed, and only for resort guests at that, is any indication of demand, good luck on getting pool time when they combine people with BW's pool.

i couldn’t have said it all better myself! BW/BCV are shot for the summer in my opinion and hope i’m wrong. I’ve been watching this guy on youtube prince charming dev, and he’s the only one i see saying how it is, last show he flat out said avoid orlando for 2020. i wish others would share honest input. in his show at universal he said people were passed out from heat exhaustion and masks all over the place. i just want honesty and if disney just said SAB was shut down because the NBA paid more than you i’d be ok with that. Pay for play happens everyday but the lies and the budget and covid it’s just too much

 

[cakebaker]

i couldn’t have said it all better myself! BW/BCV are shot for the summer in my opinion and hope i’m wrong. I’ve been watching this guy on youtube prince charming dev, and he’s the only one i see saying how it is, last show he flat out said avoid orlando for 2020. i wish others would share honest input. in his show at universal he said people were passed out from heat exhaustion and masks all over the place. i just want honesty and if disney just said SAB was shut down because the NBA paid more than you i’d be ok with that. Pay for play happens everyday but the lies and the budget and covid it’s just too much

Yup, it’s the out and out lying that I can’t and won’t take.

I understand pay to play. On a much lower scale, I do it myself. I buy the hard ticket events- emm, after hours, dessert parties- anything that will make the experience more exclusive and fewer guests attending.

I argue with people who resent Disney offering those opportunities for those willing to pay. At the same time, for the most part, those events don't lock out other guests entirely and especially those who were already booked to start with.They don’t displace anyone and they don’t reduce their experience. And most importantly, Disney isn’t deceptive about them.

 

[Sandisw]

Are you intentionally missing the point I'm making here? It is irrelevant what the laws say or what Disney may or may not have the right to do, the point is that its a crappy thing to do when Disney is fully aware that one of the main selling points of BCV is that pool. It's just bad customer service and it makes people feel taken advantage of.

I do get the point. But, DVCM has no legal authority to absorb the entire cost of running SAB on behalf of the owners Without consent and a special assessment.

They also can’t simply change the points charts to refund guests. It is a violation of the contract and the timeshare laws It has nothing to do with Disney.

So yes, it stinks that those staying at BCV won’t have access to the pool...but as long as Disney has no income from YC and BC, they are not going to pay the extensive cost to run it and DVC owners can’t force them too

As I said, I understand that people are upset, but I don’t think people should be putting out misleading information In why SAB isn’t opening right now and most likely won’t open until YC and BC are open for cash guests.

ETA. My responses have been to posts claiming it is part of DVC ownership and that owners should not have to pay the same points...not that it stinks that Disney has chosen not to open those two places to cash guests yet.

 

[senadler]

So yes, it stinks that those staying at BCV won’t have access to the pool...but as long as Disney has no income from YC and BC, they are not going to pay the extensive cost to run it and DVC owners can’t force them too

If Disney is not opening SAB at all, and if it is due to the cost of running it only for BCV, I actually think that is understandable. My only issue with Disney is that it appears they will open it for the small population of NBA players and guests at YC when they were not going to for DVC guests.

You could really say the same things about the Poly pool. I would think the operation of it is usually paid for primarily by resort guests. But they did not indicate that they would not be opening that pool and only make the oasis pool available for DVC guests.