No more unlimited refills on resort mugs?

[rgf207]

The funny thing is this will only affect new users. It's only going to affect the users that actually buy new mugs.

People that use old mugs constantly will not be affected at all. The old mugs won't have any microchips so there is no way for the soda machines to monitor it.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

We have been discussing this for DAYS. Already threads about it and moderators have been merging them as it is

I have never seen a thread be merged on this board. EVER. I hope this is the start of a trend.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

The funny thing is this will only affect new users. It's only going to affect the users that actually buy new mugs.

People that use old mugs constantly will not be affected at all. The old mugs won't have any microchips so there is no way for the soda machines to monitor it.

The machines won't work AT ALL for the old mugs.

 

[rgf207]

The machines won't work AT ALL for the old mugs.

so are they installing dedicated machines only for mugs?

What about people that buy a regular drink for $2.50. Are they disposable cardboard cups going to have microchips too?

 

[FlightlessDuck]

so are they installing dedicated machines only for mugs?

That was my assumption. Otherwise, what's the point?

 

[rgf207]

That was my assumption. Otherwise, what's the point?

But this doesn't solve any problems.

They will still need to have a soda machine for the standard, single-use cups that people buy if they don't have mugs.

If people are using old mugs, they will just go to the other machines without the microchips, correct?

The only other alternative would be to have microchips on disposable cups which does not seem cost affective

 

[Lyndria]

But this doesn't solve any problems.

They will still need to have a soda machine for the standard, single-use cups that people buy if they don't have mugs.

If people are using old mugs, they will just go to the other machines without the microchips, correct?

The only other alternative would be to have microchips on disposable cups which does not seem cost affective

I think they are going to have chips on the disposable cups.

 

[webshark3]

That was my assumption. Otherwise, what's the point?

It all comes down to what level of risk they are willing to accept. In this case, there is a overall cost benefit to self-service fountain drinks versus having employees do the service behind the counter. This benefit takes into assumption the abuse of the service (excessive refills, use of "water" cups, etc.).

The risk is the same for refillable mugs, but if they deems the abuse is higher, then it pushes the risk as "unacceptable." Mitigation strategies would address the higher risk of the refillable mug, but not necessarily address the original "acceptable" risk of the disposable cups. I.E., chipping disposable cups is likely more expensive than accepting the mis-use of cups.

So it is very likely that it will still be just one machine for all self-serve, but only chipped refillable mugs will be limited.

 

[Reddog1134]

The only other alternative would be to have microchips on disposable cups which does not seem cost affective

I don't know how accurate this is but on one of the other threads someone said the cost of the "chip" is 1/20th of a cent.

 

[rgf207]

I don't know how accurate this is but on one of the other threads someone said the cost of the "chip" is 1/20th of a cent.

That seems very low

 

[BrerRabbit1114]

I was told by a CM about the whole chip thing and my mug refilled fine. And about people "cheating", if i'm staying at the Contemporary Resort, i'm gonna bring my mug from 2004 that has the Resort logo and everything on it. Why pay 15 bucks every year. Who cares what kind of mug people use. The thing that pisses me off is when I see a family filling up a water cooler or a huge jug or a universal mug, now that's just wrong.

 

[webshark3]

That seems very low

seems low, but the cost would very very low. It's essentially a tiny, cheap rfid, that ID's the cup. Remember the commercial where the guy in the trechcoat loads up his pockets in a supermarket and walks out the door. A security guard stops him and hands him a receipt... Same thing. The technology will be so cheap, you'll get it in a 50cent candy bar. So disposable cups aren't completely out of the question, but I think that would come further down the road, simply because no one mass-produces them yet.

 

[smitch425]

But this doesn't solve any problems.

They will still need to have a soda machine for the standard, single-use cups that people buy if they don't have mugs.

If people are using old mugs, they will just go to the other machines without the microchips, correct?

The only other alternative would be to have microchips on disposable cups which does not seem cost affective

Paper cups will also have chips with a time limit. Likeky somewhere in the ballpark of 1-2 hours. The chips are extremely cheap. Much less than a penny each.

 

[Reddog1134]

And about people "cheating", if i'm staying at the Contemporary Resort, i'm gonna bring my mug from 2004 that has the Resort logo and everything on it. Why pay 15 bucks every year.

I agree. Just last week I walked into Crystal Palace for breakfast, grabbed a plate and started eating. I told the CM "I paid for this buffet last year. Why should I have to pay again?"

 

[goofyernmost]

This is the classic example of Disney trying to do something "special" for the guests only to be kicked in the groin but people that cannot follow specific rules or CM's that either don't know the rules or have been instructed not to have a confrontation over a soft drink.

The points brought up magnify the problem the occurs when people decide to make their own rules or lay to rest their common sense long enough to take advantage of someones mistake.

No company in their right mind would ever say..."here, buy this mug for $12.00 and we will continue to fill it for life." No company would do that. So just because a CM or someone says it because they misunderstood the rule doesn't mean that you (generically) do not have to reach into your own set of moral standards and decide what the right thing to do becomes. I am not going to stand in judgment of anyone. If you can honestly feel that this is right, and it makes sense, then, by all means, fill up a 55 gallon drum if your want too.

The very action that they are trying to implant chips in the cups to stop the flagrant abuse, should be reason enough to ask yourselves if maybe that was the intent to begin with.

I think they said that they are going to attempt the chip method throughout. So the result is that the person with the old mug will probably not be argued with but they will be given the option of trading in the old one for a new one, only good for that trip. If they decide to keep the old one, then the will be required to pay when they use it.

If people would have followed the rules to begin with or if Disney had the kahunas to enforce their own policy, it never would have come to this, so they are only to blame themselves with a lot of help from us.

 

[webshark3]

I agree. Just last week I walked into Crystal Palace for breakfast, grabbed a plate and started eating. I told the CM "I paid for this buffet last year. Why should I have to pay again?"

I hear you. I paid for a Disney vacation last year, and NOW they want me to pay AGAIN for this year's trip! Way to be greedy Disney!

 

[huge mickey fan]

I am just guessing here but I would think the paper cups will be filled behind the counters. It will take some rearranging of the machines but that is the easiest way around this problem. If you are buying a cup it will be handed to you filled. The refill machines will only dispense pop to those with a current chip in the cup. The chips will probably be coded with a duration date so if you switch resorts the machines there will recognize the date. My personal opinion is to charge $20 for the mugs and allow them to be filled ANYWHERE on property for your length of stay. Then the restaurants could go through less paper cups, lids and straws making up for the pop refills. I would buy a mug every year if it meant that I could use it in the restaurants. Same system would work. If you buy a one time drink, it will be filled behind the counter. The refill stations would read the active date on the chip. Done end of story.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

I agree. Just last week I walked into Crystal Palace for breakfast, grabbed a plate and started eating. I told the CM "I paid for this buffet last year. Why should I have to pay again?"

 

[mjallemand]

So it's true that they limit how much you can use it in a single visit?

I have no problem with buying a new mug each visit, because those are 2+ years apart and by the time I get back my old mug is usually pretty ratty anyway.

But it does bum me out if I'll be halfway through my vacation and my mug just stops working.

 

[pilferk]

The funny thing is this will only affect new users. It's only going to affect the users that actually buy new mugs.

People that use old mugs constantly will not be affected at all. The old mugs won't have any microchips so there is no way for the soda machines to monitor it.

Unless the refill stations are set up to ONLY refill mugs with chips installed in them...and not dispense anything if they don't detect a chip.