No more smoking or vaping in the parks

[jalapeno_pretzel]

Admit that other things have as much or more of an effect on their allergies and asthma. Not admit they have an issue with smoking, no one is hiding that point.

Whether or not I'm allergic to anything else has no bearing on the fact that I don't want your carcinogen in my lungs.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

@goofysbigboy What part of any of what I listed kicks in your allergies or asthma?

@luvsJack

ETA: I'll admit...I'm against smoking. My signature has been there since I joined the DIS.


Are Disney Fireworks Eco-Friendly? 4 Ways the Parks Reduce ...

Are Disney fireworks eco-friendly?
When Disney first introduced fireworks to its parks, the show was far from eco-friendly. However, after receiving complaints about the smoke, odor, ash, and even property damage caused by Disney fireworks, the company took a deep dive into eco-friendly pyrotechnics.
In 2004, the parks introduced a patented air-launch pyrotechnics system that substitutes gunpowder for compressed air. This eco-friendly alternative requires less material, which ultimately has a more positive impact on the environment.

Hazardous Compounds in Tobacco Smoke

Hazardous Compounds in Tobacco Smoke


Tobacco smoke is a toxic and carcinogenic mixture of more than 5,000 chemicals. The present article provides a list of 98 hazardous smoke components, based on an extensive literature search for known smoke components and their human health inhalation risks. An electronic database of smoke components containing more than 2,200 entries was generated. Emission levels in mainstream smoke have been found for 542 of the components and a human inhalation risk value for 98 components. As components with potential carcinogenic, cardiovascular and respiratory effects have been included, the three major smoke-related causes of death are all covered by the list. Given that the currently used Hoffmann list of hazardous smoke components is based on data from the 1990s and only includes carcinogens, it is recommended that the current list of 98 hazardous components is used for regulatory purposes instead. To enable risk assessment of components not covered by this list, thresholds of toxicological concern (TTC) have been established from the inhalation risk values found: 0.0018 μg day−1 for all risks, and 1.2 μg day−1 for all risks excluding carcinogenicity, the latter being similar to previously reported inhalation TTCs.

Walt Disney World Buses Now Run on Renewable Diesel ...

 

[RamblingMad]

I find it quite interesting that nobody on my last trip three weeks ago including the people with allergies and asthma had problems with SHORT TERM exposure to a couple of things that are MUCH MUCH WORSE than any cig smoke. I was on the bridge between France and the UK during illuminations, and every bit of smoke because of the wind that night was coming into the crowds. Didn't see anybody complain or leave, during the half hour or more from the hundreds if not more in my area. There is also the vehicle exhaust from thousands of guests cars trucks etc. The worse of all are all the diesel buses that are used for transportation. Especially ones that use 50% renewable FUEL which is even worse than regular diesel, but it does save someone MONEY. I suppose no one told everyone that these and others are far worse in short term exposure than cigs.

HAVE A MAGICAL DAY
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Seriously. It’s a Disney Park where parents take their kids. It makes more sense to take stuff away that’s harmful to kids than to keep it. I don’t get this argument at all. It’s like saying let’s have smoking in a grade school that has lead in their water because the smoking is less harmful than the lead water.

 

[luvsJack]

Whether or not I'm allergic to anything else has no bearing on the fact that I don't want your carcinogen in my lungs.

And you do realize that the remark made by the pp wasn't about that right? The post was about bus fumes and the smoke for Illuminations can and do have an effect on asthma and allergies. See the difference there is no one WANTS to do away with those things so they don't complain about the effects those things have(not that Disney would anyway but still) .

I don't for one minute believe Disney made this choice for your preferences or anyone else's but lets pretend for a minute they did. And the bus fumes can be a problem so lets just say that enough people actually complained and the good hearted company known as Disney made the decision to help these people and the earth and made the decision to not have the buses. Yes, it would put more cars on the road but that wouldn't be Disney polluting the air, that would be on the guests. You could always walk. Or ride a bike. Would you be upset that you can't use Disney transportation or would you be ok with it because now those with asthma and allergies won't have a problem? (and telling me that bus fumes don't cause cancer isn't answering the question)

You not wanting a carcinogen in your lungs or those of your children is easily avoided. People that are smokers avoid their children being affected all the time. Have you been avoiding Disney all these years because they have smoking areas or is breathing the fumes from cigarettes just now a problem? How have you been avoiding it previously? If you are breathing in smoke every step you take as some claim, why have you continued to go? You weren't worried about the health issues then? That's the thing that gets me. Some here are going on and on about how horrible it has been and how it has made them unable to breathe and made them sick. Even caused someone to take their kid to the ER. And yet, they still go year after year. Really? Its that big of a problem for you and you continue to go? I am sure there are some that it does make that sick. But why have you continued to go to a place where you know its possible?

 

[luvsJack]

@goofysbigboy What part of any of what I listed kicks in your allergies or asthma?

@luvsJack

ETA: I'll admit...I'm against smoking. My signature has been there since I joined the DIS.


Are Disney Fireworks Eco-Friendly? 4 Ways the Parks Reduce ...

Are Disney fireworks eco-friendly?
When Disney first introduced fireworks to its parks, the show was far from eco-friendly. However, after receiving complaints about the smoke, odor, ash, and even property damage caused by Disney fireworks, the company took a deep dive into eco-friendly pyrotechnics.
In 2004, the parks introduced a patented air-launch pyrotechnics system that substitutes gunpowder for compressed air. This eco-friendly alternative requires less material, which ultimately has a more positive impact on the environment.

Hazardous Compounds in Tobacco Smoke

Hazardous Compounds in Tobacco Smoke


Tobacco smoke is a toxic and carcinogenic mixture of more than 5,000 chemicals. The present article provides a list of 98 hazardous smoke components, based on an extensive literature search for known smoke components and their human health inhalation risks. An electronic database of smoke components containing more than 2,200 entries was generated. Emission levels in mainstream smoke have been found for 542 of the components and a human inhalation risk value for 98 components. As components with potential carcinogenic, cardiovascular and respiratory effects have been included, the three major smoke-related causes of death are all covered by the list. Given that the currently used Hoffmann list of hazardous smoke components is based on data from the 1990s and only includes carcinogens, it is recommended that the current list of 98 hazardous components is used for regulatory purposes instead. To enable risk assessment of components not covered by this list, thresholds of toxicological concern (TTC) have been established from the inhalation risk values found: 0.0018 μg day−1 for all risks, and 1.2 μg day−1 for all risks excluding carcinogenicity, the latter being similar to previously reported inhalation TTCs.

Walt Disney World Buses Now Run on Renewable Diesel ...

That wasn't what I meant. I clarified for the pp.

And I don't think the pp's point was about the fireworks being eco-friendly. Any kind of smoke can affect some people. It would my DS's stepson.

 

[kdonnel]

This eco-friendly alternative requires less material, which ultimately has a more positive impact on the environment.

That is quite the marketing spin by Disney using the words "positive impact on the environment".

There is nothing positive to the environment about fireworks. The air launch system Disney is using reduces the negative impact to those on the ground but there is nothing positive about the explosions in the sky no matter how pretty they are.

Each of those colors is a different chemical burning, sometimes heavy metals, that result in high levels of carcinogenic sulphur compounds and airborne arsenic wafting through the air to be deposited into the lugs of those downwind of the Disney parks.

https://www.thoughtco.com/toxic-fireworks-pollution-1204041
http://www.backcountryattitude.com/toxic_fireworks.html


Yum!

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

And you do realize that the remark made by the pp wasn't about that right? The post was about bus fumes and the smoke for Illuminations can and do have an effect on asthma and allergies. See the difference there is no one WANTS to do away with those things so they don't complain about the effects those things have(not that Disney would anyway but still) .

Whether or not I like breathing bus fumes or fireworks is irrelevant to the fact that I don't want to breath someone's second hand smoke. Personally I am not a big fan of fireworks and would have no problem if they eliminated them. Also would be glad for them to use some better technology to eliminate the bus fumes. Sure, that would all be great with me. Just like it's great with me that they are moving the DSAs further away.

I don't for one minute believe Disney made this choice for your preferences or anyone else's but lets pretend for a minute they did. And the bus fumes can be a problem so lets just say that enough people actually complained and the good hearted company known as Disney made the decision to help these people and the earth and made the decision to not have the buses. Yes, it would put more cars on the road but that wouldn't be Disney polluting the air, that would be on the guests. You could always walk. Or ride a bike. Would you be upset that you can't use Disney transportation or would you be ok with it because now those with asthma and allergies won't have a problem? (and telling me that bus fumes don't cause cancer isn't answering the question)

Actually I think bikes and walks is a wonderful idea - maybe they could plan some paths that get from some of the further resorts. We would love to hop on some bikes, ride them in a safe, non-motorized vehicle area, and park them at the entrance. Also they could move to electric bus transportation, and charge them with their solar arrays to eliminate fumes. Then they've got the sky ride thing coming on line sometime to transport people. Lots of possibilities here, and we'll maybe see some of this in the coming years. It's good financially and from a marketing standpoint to be good to the environment.

You not wanting a carcinogen in your lungs or those of your children is easily avoided. People that are smokers avoid their children being affected all the time. Have you been avoiding Disney all these years because they have smoking areas or is breathing the fumes from cigarettes just now a problem? How have you been avoiding it previously? If you are breathing in smoke every step you take as some claim, why have you continued to go? You weren't worried about the health issues then? That's the thing that gets me. Some here are going on and on about how horrible it has been and how it has made them unable to breathe and made them sick. Even caused someone to take their kid to the ER. And yet, they still go year after year. Really? Its that big of a problem for you and you continue to go? I am sure there are some that it does make that sick. But why have you continued to go to a place where you know its possible?

You're right, I avoided smoking areas before, and I will continue to avoid them now. It just got a little easier to avoid them now though, that's all.

 

[Jennasis]

I'll say it. Fireworks are pretty. Smoking is gross.

You can complain all day long but just like I winged and moaned all day over the implementation of FP+, its what is happening. Get right with it.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

That wasn't what I meant. I clarified for the pp.

And I don't think the pp's point was about the fireworks being eco-friendly. Any kind of smoke can affect some people. It would my DS's stepson.

Exactly! And I avoid the fireworks shows. That is why we prefer AKL. I don't burn candles or anything that produces smoke. I also don't buy products that uses propellants.

That is quite the marketing spin by Disney using the words "positive impact on the environment".

There is nothing positive to the environment about fireworks. The air launch system Disney is using reduces the negative impact to those on the ground but there is nothing positive about the explosions in the sky no matter how pretty they are.

Each of those colors is a different chemical burning, sometimes heavy metals, that result in high levels of carcinogenic sulphur compounds and airborne arsenic wafting through the air to be deposited into the lugs of those downwind of the Disney parks.

https://www.thoughtco.com/toxic-fireworks-pollution-1204041
http://www.backcountryattitude.com/toxic_fireworks.html

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Yum!

See reply above.

I also noted no one mentioning the toxins from cigarette smoke that I posted.

Over the years I have complained to GS on both the DCL and WDW about the smoking situation...especially at the resorts and on verandas. I'm sure others have done the same. It is what it is as a poster has stated. I applaud Disney for the positive changes and have let them know. I'm done....y'all have a wonderful day!

 

[Floridaman999]

What round are we on? I've lost track.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

What round are we on? I've lost track.

Eleventy billion hehe (admittedly I contribute to the round and round )

 

[rajak73]

Eleventy billion hehe (admittedly I contribute to the round and round )

 

[Hikergirl]

I find it quite interesting that nobody on my last trip three weeks ago including the people with allergies and asthma had problems with SHORT TERM exposure to a couple of things that are MUCH MUCH WORSE than any cig smoke. I was on the bridge between France and the UK during illuminations, and every bit of smoke because of the wind that night was coming into the crowds. Didn't see anybody complain or leave, during the half hour or more from the hundreds if not more in my area. There is also the vehicle exhaust from thousands of guests cars trucks etc. The worse of all are all the diesel buses that are used for transportation. Especially ones that use 50% renewable FUEL which is even worse than regular diesel, but it does save someone MONEY. I suppose no one told everyone that these and others are far worse in short term exposure than cigs.

HAVE A MAGICAL DAY
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I don't know if I was there on your last trip, but I do move when smoke bothers me.
And I hate diesel exhaust, it gives me a ripping headache so I try to avoid it as much as possible.
I guess though since you didn't see one person trying to avoid it, then that means nobody does?
My ds has asthma and when he was younger if I knew an area was going to be filled with smoke or exhaust we wouldn't have been there in the first place. So maybe the reason you didn't see anyone with asthma or allergies (you must have some supernatural powers to know if they do) was because they weren't there. Just a thought


I admit I have a problem with smoking, and I used to smoke. It kills people, and people willing do it to themselves and put others at risk.
I am ashamed that I was ever one of those people (smokers who knew it was bad for EVERYONE) and I'm glad I decided long ago not to subject those I love and complete strangers to it.

 

[Searc]

No more than they will admit that that smell they thought was smoke just might not have been a cigarette but something cooking.

The only people who would possibly confuse the two smells are people who have lost their sense of smell or one of those smokers who mistakenly believes they don't stink.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

We can debate if there are other things that effect asthma and allergies or guests other sensitivities all day long.

Admit that other things have as much or more of an effect on their allergies and asthma.

The post was about bus fumes and the smoke for Illuminations can and do have an effect on asthma and allergies.

See the difference there is no one WANTS to do away with those things so they don't complain about the effects those things have(not that Disney would anyway but still) .

The other poster said: "I find it quite interesting that nobody on my last trip three weeks ago including the people with allergies and asthma had problems with SHORT TERM exposure to a couple of things that are MUCH MUCH WORSE than any cig smoke."

Of course other things have as much or more effect on my allergies or my sister-in-law's asthma.

The opposite is also true. Of course there are other things that do not have as much or more effect on my allergies or my sister-in-law's asthma.

Does that mean however that I enjoy being around smoke when I know it's going to irritate my allergies? Nope. Does being around cigarette smoke in the dead of winter when the presence of pollen is zilch help me personally out? Yes. Does being around cigarette smoke in the height of allergy season help me personally out? Nope.

Bus fumes and fireworks smoke while unpleasant and potentially in some way not good for my health (I'm not going to go into the science myself with all that) to be clouded in don't affect me the way that pollen, dust, some cats, trees, and how cigarette smoke irritates my allergies. For a completely different person however bus fumes and fireworks smoke may cause their allergies or asthma to kick in or it may cause other symptoms. Has anyone made a comment to denote otherwise?

I don't think Disney moving the DSA outside the park has much at all to with my allergies or my sister-in-law's asthma. One can think "oh that's nice that you won't be smoking inside the park" while also understand that Disney didn't make that decision specifically for them. Disney moving the DSA outside the park has nothing to do with bus fumes and fireworks.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

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What's the record for the number of pages for a change made by Disney? Inquiring minds want to know

 

[luvsJack]

The only people who would possibly confuse the two smells are people who have lost their sense of smell or one of those smokers who mistakenly believes they don't stink.

And you would be dead wrong. If you mean smelling something cooking IN the restaurant, no it won't be confused. But a ways down from it and an unpleasant smell, yes people will assume its from someone smoking. For some people any kind of smoke smell is unpleasant. Grilling, smoked food, etc. actually does smell like smoke.

For instance, my niece and her husband grill outside quite a bit. I can't smell the food from my house but I can smell the charcoal especially when they are through cooking. I know the difference. But, ds's gf thought it was cigarette smoke (she doesn't smoke). I like the smell of charcoal so it doesn't bother me at all.

I know one lady that every time she smells a sweet smell in the air she is convinced someone is smoking pot. Not matter how many times we have told her that isn't what she is smelling, she believes that's what it is.

 

[Squirlz]

What round are we on? I've lost track.

How many dead horses can possibly be left?

 

[RamblingMad]

How many dead horses can possibly be left?

This will continue until the smokers pass away.

 

[luvsJack]

What's the record for the number of pages for a change made by Disney? Inquiring minds want to know

And yet you keep commenting???

The other poster said: "I find it quite interesting that nobody on my last trip three weeks ago including the people with allergies and asthma had problems with SHORT TERM exposure to a couple of things that are MUCH MUCH WORSE than any cig smoke."

Of course other things have as much or more effect on my allergies or my sister-in-law's asthma.

The opposite is also true. Of course there are other things that do not have as much or more effect on my allergies or my sister-in-law's asthma.

Does that mean however that I enjoy being around smoke when I know it's going to irritate my allergies? Nope. Does being around cigarette smoke in the dead of winter when the presence of pollen is zilch help me personally out? Yes. Does being around cigarette smoke in the height of allergy season help me personally out? Nope.

Bus fumes and fireworks smoke while unpleasant and potentially in some way not good for my health (I'm not going to go into the science myself with all that) to be clouded in don't affect me the way that pollen, dust, some cats, trees, and how cigarette smoke irritates my allergies. For a completely different person however bus fumes and fireworks smoke may cause their allergies or asthma to kick in or it may cause other symptoms. Has anyone made a comment to denote otherwise?

I don't think Disney moving the DSA outside the park has much at all to with my allergies or my sister-in-law's asthma. One can think "oh that's nice that you won't be smoking inside the park" while also understand that Disney didn't make that decision specifically for them. Disney moving the DSA outside the park has nothing to do with bus fumes and fireworks.

the poster was pointing out that all the comments about how the DSA's are messing with everyone's allergies but no one complains about two of the worst culprits. So yes, in the sense he used the comparison it does have something to do with it.

No one said you should enjoy being around smoke. Wasn't mentioned.

What my comment about their reasoning meant was that it likely doesn't have anything to do with ANYONE'S comfort, well being or health. So not really relevant and yet, here we are. Its much more likely to have something to do with having to pay someone to clean the areas, the space they take up, etc. Which has more affect on the bottom line.