No more smoking or vaping in the parks

[mnrose]

Some of us are old enough to remember these changes. LOL.

I never flew during the days of smoking on a plane. I can't imagine how much I would have hated that.

It was awful. And plain old silly how it was done. The last row(s) of first class were smoking sections, and the last rows of coach. Non smokers were literally surrounded by smokers. That works. On long cross country trips, it was disgusting. I did it quite a bit in early days of my travel heavy job. 3-4 days a week. Ugh.

 

[dish rag]

Some of us are old enough to remember these changes. LOL.

I never flew during the days of smoking on a plane. I can't imagine how much I would have hated that.

I don’t recall it either. Must have been awful. I do remember smoking at the movies.

 

[Jimmy Mouse]

I just find it funny that people are saying their kids will be deprived now because of the DSA's moving. It takes some kind of selfishness to put a disgusting habit above your children. But then again, my mother in law chose smoking over seeing her grandkids so ..

 

[luvsJack]

The poster did say wean off.

Different chemicals react differently.

If you're a true alcoholic you should not quit cold turkey because you can kill yourself. Your body has become dependent on it for nutrients your brain has completely altered itself to intake alcohol as part of your normal diet.

If you're addicted to cigarettes you can quit cold turkey. It may not be easy. It may be extremely difficult. You may have withdrawl symptoms. It may not be the recommended route for all addicted.

If you're addicted to caffeine you can quit cold turkey. It may not be easy it may be extremely difficult. You may have withdrawl symptoms. Caffeine while very addicting to many people have less overall impact to their body with the average amount consumed.

If you're addicted to heroin it is not recommended to quit cold turkey alone. This is because the withdrawl symptoms can be severe much more severe than tobacco and high chance of relapse leading to overdose because of how your body adjusted to it. A medical detox is recommended with rehab.

Equating quiting heroin (and it wasn't the first time you brought up heroin) to quiting cigarettes can be seen just as a way to divert the attention away from what's being said (and I say the respectfully).

The issue isn't asking someone to just up and quit a substance because the substance in question isn't the same as another substance. I wouldn't advise an alcoholic to just up and quit especially without medical assistance. Same for heroin addicts.

Again (second time I have answered this) I was referring to the addiction of nicotine. Not the recommended way of quitting or the smoke. Nicotine and heroin are comaparable as far as the addiction of the two. I am not quite sure how to make it any plainer. And it’s the “you can quit if you have a good enough reason” or “you just need the right willpower” that is irritating. Funnily if anyone says those same words to someone trying to lose weight, they get attacked. I am not diverting anything. I am simply and plainly stating, it’s not the easy peasy thing people think it is. And it can be different for every person.

And while cold turkey quitting many illegal substances is not recommended, it is done every day. But no one would tell the next addict to do it.

I am well aware how addictive substances work.

 

[luvsJack]

Actually it is the same. The one in Epcot is near Italy. On a breezy day that smell went everywhere.

For the record...DIS stock is up! Glad I bought shares when I did.

The area in AK wasn’t covered so the smoke dissipated differently than it would on a covered patio.

Also how close are you to your neighbor?

 

[luvsJack]

I just find it funny that people are saying their kids will be deprived now because of the DSA's moving. It takes some kind of selfishness to put a disgusting habit above your children. But then again, my mother in law chose smoking over seeing her grandkids so ..

Who said their kids will be deprived? The only thing I saw said “they won’t be deprived”.

Did you give your mother in law an ultimatum? Perhaps that was her problem?

We don’t smoke around our grandkids. We smoke outside when they are here. Ds’s step son has cystic fibrosis and we do not smoke when he is around at all. But dil never insisted that anyone quit smoking.

 

[kdonnel]

Also how close are you to your neighbor?

I am about 300 feet from my neighbor across the cul d sac. I can smell when he smokes. The air is not filled with smoke, but it is definitely filled with the smell. I believe the sense of smell is dulled by those that smoke.

 

[kdonnel]

I just find it funny that people are saying their kids will be deprived now because of the DSA's moving. It takes some kind of selfishness to put a disgusting habit above your children. But then again, my mother in law chose smoking over seeing her grandkids so ..

Reminds me of this meme.....

 

[DisneyOma]

I can’t use the patches or the gum. I tried. Chantix helped me quit before and what I will use again.

But don’t assume that someone younger than your dad either doesn’t have the guts, the courage or the motivation. It’s not the same for everyone. I would never assume that one heroin addict can “just quit” because another was able to and never look back.

So you quit once, and started up again? So, you could choose to quit again, right? Now the rest of your arguments are invalid, as you yourself have managed to quit, and then chose to start up smoking again!

OMG when i found out that was a thing I was so shocke that would be AWFUL

It was disgusting to be exposed to so much smoke like that. You'd get off reeking of smoke, and most times I'd have a horrible headache and nausea.

Again (second time I have answered this) I was referring to the addiction of nicotine. Not the recommended way of quitting or the smoke. Nicotine and heroin are comaparable as far as the addiction of the two. I am not quite sure how to make it any plainer. And it’s the “you can quit if you have a good enough reason” or “you just need the right willpower” that is irritating. Funnily if anyone says those same words to someone trying to lose weight, they get attacked. I am not diverting anything. I am simply and plainly stating, it’s not the easy peasy thing people think it is. And it can be different for every person.

And while cold turkey quitting many illegal substances is not recommended, it is done every day. But no one would tell the next addict to do it.

I am well aware how addictive substances work.

See above - you know how it works, and yet you started smoking again? It's a decision one makes - and I stand by my opinion that it's something everyone can do, especially with all the assistance that is given through employers and health care. What would you do if there was a blight on the tobacco plant that wiped out most of the plants and it became incredibly expensive to buy cigarettes?

 

[Magical2017]

So I am really curious about something else. Some of y’all have mentioned gaining guests. So y’all think there are people that didn’t go to Disney because there were smoking areas inside the park but now they can go because it’s outside the gate?

I don't think the smoking ban will attract more visitors, in a place like WDW or DL. Visitors are already attracted for a multitude of reasons, although the ban will please a lot of people. For us, if the ban is revoked at some point (which I doubt), we would still go. When we travel anywhere, we go with the expectation that there are going to be some things that are mildly annoying that we'll have to deal with. For Disney, the few minutes of smelling a cigarette is simply a minor blip and we just quickly move away from the smell of smoke. We will probably smell the same amount of smoke if the new smoking area is near the entrance, parking lot, or bus drop off.

 

[luvsJack]

So you quit once, and started up again? So, you could choose to quit again, right? Now the rest of your arguments are invalid, as you yourself have managed to quit, and then chose to start up smoking again!



It was disgusting to be exposed to so much smoke like that. You'd get off reeking of smoke, and most times I'd have a horrible headache and nausea.



See above - you know how it works, and yet you started smoking again? It's a decision one makes - and I stand by my opinion that it's something everyone can do, especially with all the assistance that is given through employers and health care. What would you do if there was a blight on the tobacco plant that wiped out most of the plants and it became incredibly expensive to buy cigarettes?

Since you have no idea what was going on in my life when I started back, do not sit in judgement of me.

The stress, heartbreak and anxiety of losing 4 close family memebers in 18 months plus another one close to our family and three of those being very sudden, two being teens will do that to you. When you have walked a mile in my shoes, try again. I chose to smoke. Dh’s sil almost had a nervous breakdown and was put on strong meds. Should I have chanced that route? Would you feel less judgey then?

I thought I could get through it and quit again. Now my dr wants to do a complete physical first.

I never said everyone can’t do it. I said it’s harder than some are giving it credit. One person threw them in the trash and never smokes again and suddenly everyone can. Some choose not to because it is hard. Some would rather smoke than feel bad all the time from withdrawal. Some have bad anxiety (me!) and cannot just use gum or patches. And some have setbacks (me) just like someone addicted to any other substance.

 

[DisneyHardin]

So I am really curious about something else. Some of y’all have mentioned gaining guests. So y’all think there are people that didn’t go to Disney because there were smoking areas inside the park but now they can go because it’s outside the gate?

This is exactly what I've been thinking throughout this entire debate on this thread. I'm not a smoker, but also am not totally repulsed by it, so I don't really even notice if people near me are smoking.

I just can't imagine that there are families out there that have never been to Disney solely because in a HUGE outdoor amusement park, there were two small areas where people might be smoking at any given time.

 

[luvsJack]

I am about 300 feet from my neighbor across the cul d sac. I can smell when he smokes. The air is not filled with smoke, but it is definitely filled with the smell. I believe the sense of smell is dulled by those that smoke.

Oh I know it is. But that wasn’t really my point. It’s not whether I can smell it but whether the non smoker that doesn’t have a clue where the DSA even is can smell it.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Again (second time I have answered this) I was referring to the addiction of nicotine. Not the recommended way of quitting or the smoke. Nicotine and heroin are comaparable as far as the addiction of the two. I am not quite sure how to make it any plainer.

And while cold turkey quitting many illegal substances is not recommended, it is done every day. But no one would tell the next addict to do it.

I wouldn't tell the next addict to quit cold turkey just because another person did because I recognize not all addictive substances are the same, shouldn't be treated as such and it affects individuals different.

I do think though it would have been different for me if your comments had instead been

• "I would never assume that one nicotine {rather than heroin} addict can “just quit” because another was able to and never look back."
• and "My bil quit nicotine {rather than crystal meth} cold turkey as did his wife. Should I tell other nicotine {rather than meth} addicts that they just need will power and desire?"

Obviously you're pulling off your own experience though.

Nicotine has no health dangers associated with quiting. Meth and heroin do (and alcohol). Can you see why bringing other addictive substances in relation to flippant comments about "just quit" for smoking can get my attention going?

And it’s the “you can quit if you have a good enough reason” or “you just need the right willpower” that is irritating. Funnily if anyone says those same words to someone trying to lose weight, they get attacked. I am not diverting anything. I am simply and plainly stating, it’s not the easy peasy thing people think it is. And it can be different for every person.

I haven't said any of those things you're referring to though I know you're not necessarily saying I am. I do know other posters have.

My personal opinion is I wouldn't want you to just quit to go to Disney or any trip for that matter. You should actually want to quit if you're going to do so. Your chance of success long term will be much higher if your heart is in it and you have a support system in place. So no don't quit just to go on a trip to Disney. If you want to use it as a catalyst by all means do so (speaking generally). My mom continually tells me she needs to lose weight. I wouldn't suggest she lose weight to go on a trip. I would suggest if she wants to lose weight it's because of her overall health. The trip could be the catalyst though.

 

[kdonnel]

Oh I know it is. But that wasn’t really my point. It’s not whether I can smell it but whether the non smoker that doesn’t have a clue where the DSA even is can smell it.

Unless the DSA is 750-1000 feet away, non smokers will be able to smell it, even if they don’t know the location.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

This is exactly what I've been thinking throughout this entire debate on this thread. I'm not a smoker, but also am not totally repulsed by it, so I don't really even notice if people near me are smoking.

I just can't imagine that there are families out there that have never been to Disney solely because in a HUGE outdoor amusement park, there were two small areas where people might be smoking at any given time.

I don't really know what net gain,if any, Disney could have. I'm not sure there's enough travelers who avoided Disney because smoking was allowed but I do think there may be some travelers who see it as a good move and consider going because of it. Sorta like supporting a business that aligns with your viewpoint if you know what I mean.

As for not noticing I do notice but cigarette smoke irritates my allergies, I'm also extremely sensitive to the smell of weed. My husband is not as sensitive as I am. Just yeterday actually it was such a nice day so I had my windows open while driving. The car in front of me also had their windows down and they were smoking. I could absolutely smell the cigarette smoke and no it wasn't because we were stopped at a stop sign or traffic light. Now I had a choice of closing up my windows so I did. My car is too old and does not have recirculating air so turning on the heat or the a/c will bring outside smells in. Luckily it wasn't a hot day where the a/c was needed.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

The area in AK wasn’t covered so the smoke dissipated differently than it would on a covered patio.

Also how close are you to your neighbor?

Of course it is different...the smoke at AK could go into the air. The wind here carries it over....the entire area near her smells like a dirty ashtray when it is humid out. Most smokers are nose blind to the odor. It sticks to your clothes and hair. There is theory about 3rd hand smoke....where you deposit particles of that tar and nicotine on everything you touch...including your children.

I understand the addiction. I smoked off and on over the years...all by cold turkey. The driving force that made me hate smoking this time was the news my Doc. gave me...."you have lung cancer". I quit for good and will never smoke again. I had half a lung removed on the left side. The surgery left me scarred and in pain...even 11 years later. The chest tube slipped when I was in the hospital ( 13 days) and caused nerve damage. My lung kept collapsing so had to keep the tube in....ugly scar from that. Pain meds after the moriphine in the hospital was Oxycontin's.. Yep, took those for awhile and kicked those cold turkey as well. So when someone says they can't quit I say BS...you can. Not easy but millions have. Don't wait until you get the news I did.,,,please. The reason I have not posted this before is because it''s embarrassing. Smoking is stupid.

 

[luvsJack]

Of course it is different...the smoke at AK could go into the air. The wind here carries it over....the entire area near her smells like a dirty ashtray when it is humid out. Most smokers are nose blind to the odor. It sticks to your clothes and hair. There is theory about 3rd hand smoke....where you deposit particles of that tar and nicotine on everything you touch...including your children.

I understand the addiction. I smoked off and on over the years...all by cold turkey. The driving force that made me hate smoking this time was the news my Doc. gave me...."you have lung cancer". I quit for good and will never smoke again. I had half a lung removed on the left side. The surgery left me in scarred and in pain...even 11 years later. The chest tube slipped when I was in the hospital ( 13 days) and caused nerve damage. My lung kept collapsing so had to keep the tube in....ugly scar from that. Pain meds after the moriphine in the hospital was Oxycontin's.. Yep, took those for awhile and kicked those cold turkey as well. So when someone says they can't quit I say BS...you can. Not easy but millions have. Don't wait until you get the news I did.,,,please. The reason I have not posted this before is because it''s embarrassing. Smoking is stupid.

You know, I just thought about something. You do seem very sensitive to the smell of cigarettes. And it’s possible that you are very sensitive to it due to being a former smoker and the health issues you had. Not saying “it should be ok for everyone else”, I don’t t mean that at all. But I do know of a few women that have quit from years ago and will literally gag from an ashtray. They can’t stomach the smell or the sight. It would make sense.

And you are 100% right, it is stupid but it is what it is for now.

Don’t ever be embarrassed by your story. It makes you who you are and you should be proud of being the survivor you are.

 

[DISNEY1975]

I wont quote anyones posts because frankly there are too many of them. Just an FYI... the smoke released from a cigarette, outdoors, is actually third hand smoke, not second. Second would be confined to an indoor space and yes, has many effects on someone in that space whether they are smoking or not. For 3rd hand smoke, studies show liittle effect on a passerby within a 6 foot range. No effect outside of 6 feet. Now, a group of smokers would be slightly different than a single smoker, but its the same little to no effects at 15 feet. A DSA could be 25 feet off the beaten path and the 3rd hand smoke would have ZERO effect on the passerby.

Not saying Disney should have them, but these are the facts. No debate.

 

[DISNEY1975]

I am about 300 feet from my neighbor across the cul d sac. I can smell when he smokes. The air is not filled with smoke, but it is definitely filled with the smell. I believe the sense of smell is dulled by those that smoke.

That is literally impossible unless its a cigar or pipe. I dont have any info on cigars or pipes to say if its possible or not.