No more smoking or vaping in the parks

[goofysbigboy]

First of all, can you imagine the uproar if Disney tried to charge people to smoke? O.M.Goodness, there would be endless complaints like "I paid the same for my vacation" or justified complaints of Disney nickle and dime-ing just the smokers. Look at the uproar at just moving the free DSAs.

Second, Disney is not going to spend thousands and thousands of dollars building rooms with expensive air filtration systems to accommodate a very small percentage of their customers and then paying salary and benefits for staff to monitor and maintain. Far cheaper and easier to just ban smoking within the parks and tell people to head out the gates if they want to smoke.

Also, highly doubt they are going to take up valuable park space to create big smoking rooms. You cannot compare Japan to the US. There are completely different cultures. Disney is making business decisions based on US culture, not Japanese culture. Disney is making business decisions for the US parks based on customer response in the US, not the wants and needs of Japanese parks.

This is a business decision for Disney, not a judgement or criticism of an individual's addiction. They have determined, right or wrong, that it is better business to have a smoke free park in the US than to allow smoking in a designated area within park boundaries. Smoking is still allowed - for free. Just not as conveniently as before.

Hope you also have a magical day!​

Disney within the past few years has applied up charges for Dozens of things that use to be free. Your second points answer is Disney will make money, lots of it after all costs involved, hundreds of thousands of smokers each year, many from other lands. I believe some of the current DSA locations are of very little use. Lastly I have read all 42 pages of the post and most are all about criticizing each other. As we have seen in the recent past the only business decision by Disney is to make more money.
ZIPPITY DOO DAH

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

Respectfully, please don't predict or assume what most smokers would welcome.

Oh, it's okay really, last I checked it was okay to share opinions here even if they don't agree with everyone's. No worries!

 

[Disneychick75]

It won’t impact long term either. The smokers in the park are statistically likely to make less money than the non-smokers. Smoking rates just work out that way. Poor people have much higher smoking rates than rich people.

Seriously, how many times do you have to say that smokers have lower incomes? Does it make you feel superior? The noveau riche or faux nouveau do this to cover their feelings of inferiority. Oh and the people I know who smoke are wealthy.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Disney within the past few years has applied up charges for Dozens of things that use to be free. Your second points answer is Disney will make money, lots of it after all costs involved, hundreds of thousands of smokers each year, many from other lands. I believe some of the current DSA locations are of very little use. Lastly I have read all 42 pages of the post and most are all about criticizing each other. As we have seen in the recent past the only business decision by Disney is to make more money.
ZIPPITY DOO DAH

I mentioned this to another DISer the other day in person. If smoking rooms were built 20+ years ago maybe even stretching it to 15+ years ago it might have been a different story. The argument would be different since it would have been contained though the upkeep of the rooms would be a continual cost.

The parks are located in the U.S. culturally speaking smoking is not as accepted as it once was (right or wrong to some people). It wouldn't make sense even if you're thinking 'voila it will solve the issue of really separating out smoking areas from the rest of the parks' to build it now. It's too late so to speak to invest heavily in that. The ship, as they say, has sailed; at least IMO.

 

[RamblingMad]

Seriously, how many times do you have to say that smokers have lower incomes? Does it make you feel superior? The noveau riche or faux nouveau do this to cover their feelings of inferiority. Oh and the people I know who smoke are wealthy.

Great. You know a few outliers. I know a few wealthy people who smoke too. Most don't. Smoking rates drop as wealth increases. That's a simple fact.

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

Oh and the people I know who smoke are wealthy.

Anecdotal evidence does not negate the data.

 

[Disneychick75]

Great. You know a few outliers. I know a few wealthy people who smoke too. Most don't. Smoking rates drop as wealth increases. That's a simple fact.

Was just trying to help. Wouldn't want the NOCD label applied.

 

[RamblingMad]

Anecdotal evidence does not negate the data.

My point is that Disney is making a business decision. First, do you want to expose kids to second hand smoke? Second, do you think removing smoking from the parks with cause any economic harm? The first provides for great PR. The second is clear to see statistically.

I'm not saying anything negative about smokers. I'm trying to explain why this makes perfect sense from a business perspective.

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

My point is that Disney is making a business decision. First, do you want to expose kids to second hand smoke? Second, do you think removing smoking from the parks with cause any economic harm? The first provides for great PR. The second is clear to see statistically.

I'm not saying anything negative about smokers. I'm trying to explain why this makes perfect sense from a business perspective.

Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. Anecdotal evidence ("Hey, I know someone who smokes and is wealthy!") does not negate the data that correlates smoking (statistics collected over a wide group of population) with lower income levels. It's totally a business decision, and one that will probably will have good results for Disney.

I can understand why smokers would want to hang onto that anecdotal evidence though and believe this is going to hurt Disney - their brains are physically altered by their addiction to defend it at all cost, and in defiance of logic. That is also not meaning to be anything negative ... just the fact of what happens to a brain during addiction ... and I am sorry that anyone has to deal with it, whether it's smoking or any other kind of addiction.

 

[goofysbigboy]

Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. Anecdotal evidence ("Hey, I know someone who smokes and is wealthy!") does not negate the data that correlates smoking (statistics collected over a wide group of population) with lower income levels. It's totally a business decision, and one that will probably will have good results for Disney.

I can understand why smokers would want to hang onto that anecdotal evidence though and believe this is going to hurt Disney - their brains are physically altered by their addiction to defend it at all cost, and in defiance of logic. That is also not meaning to be anything negative ... just the fact of what happens to a brain during addiction ... and I am sorry that anyone has to deal with it, whether it's smoking or any other kind of addiction.

Luckily Drinking doesn't alter anyones mind.

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

Luckily Drinking doesn't alter anyones mind.

Sure it does, if you drink to the point of being addicted to it, it's going to physically alter your brain structure just as being addicted to anything is going to do.

 

[Hikergirl]

Disney within the past few years has applied up charges for Dozens of things that use to be free. Your second points answer is Disney will make money, lots of it after all costs involved, hundreds of thousands of smokers each year, many from other lands. I believe some of the current DSA locations are of very little use. Lastly I have read all 42 pages of the post and most are all about criticizing each other. As we have seen in the recent past the only business decision by Disney is to make more money.
ZIPPITY DOO DAH

Disney is not going to invest money in anything that encourages smoking in this day and age.
Smoking in public places is becoming less and less allowed, Disney is joining the trend.

 

[goofysbigboy]

Disney is not going to invest money in anything that encourages smoking in this day and age.
Smoking in public places is becoming less and less allowed, Disney is joining the trend.

Disney would not be encouraging smoking,. They would be eliminating exposure to all other guests, and making money. And being all inclusive.

 

[Hikergirl]

Disney would not be encouraging smoking,. They would be eliminating exposure to all other guests, and making money. And being all inclusive.

No, the very idea of investing in something means you expect a return. That means Disney would expect smokers to use them, which means they would be encouraging smoking. It is a moot point anyway, it is never going to happen.

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

Disney would not be encouraging smoking,. They would be eliminating exposure to all other guests, and making money. And being all inclusive.

They'll be making more money by doing their current plan of moving it out of the park altogether. They've already done the math on this and found it gives them a benefit, otherwise they wouldn't be making the change.

 

[Disneychick75]

They'll be making more money by doing their current plan of moving it out of the park altogether. They've already done the math on this and found it gives them a benefit, otherwise they wouldn't be making the change.

We shall see.

 

[dish rag]

Luckily Drinking doesn't alter anyones mind.

Of course it does.

 

[Searc]

Well... spent hours planning my trip from May 13-18, then found out about their new non smoking policies, I get it Disney can do whatever they wish in their parks and I can do the same with my cash(10K). called them up cancelled my grand Floridian reservation along all my restaurant bookings. They tried to give me a hard time about their non refundable park ticket and Disney after hours ticket policies (had those too) and that didn't go very far once I told them they would deal with my lawyers.

Yes its the smoking, but not only that.... whats next ? no straws, no sodas, no plastic water bottles, no tank tops... lol you see where all this is going... Adios Disney adios !

LOL

 

[Searc]

You are being very condescending and it is uncalled for. The fact remains smoking is legal remember that!

I think you are unfamiliar with how private property works.

 

[Disneychick75]

Luckily Drinking doesn't alter anyones mind.

LOL, cannot wait to read the threads. Strollers + EVCs + alcohol + snowflakes