DisneyMomOK
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Since the problems seem to originate in China, maybe banning the kids stuff from there until THEY can prove their government takes care of business, is the way to go?
No more reselling kids clothes???
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Since the problems seem to originate in China, maybe banning the kids stuff from there until THEY can prove their government takes care of business, is the way to go?
momof296&02
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This is just so unbelievable. In the past DS(12) has organized coat drives etc., his school is currently having a coat, mitten, scarve drive. What will happen to all these items?
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Then our Congressmen are idiots and I will be severely disappointed if our state's Congressmen voted for this as well (Andre Carson is already riding a fine line with me). I just shake my head...that's all I can do because I don't think they realize the ripple effect this will cause.
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I consign all of my children's clothes. It's a great way to recoup some of my investment! One of our local consignment shops has been including info on this in their weekly e-mail for quite awhile now. They are very concerned that the cycle of reusing clothes is about to end. It's a shame because there are always great deals on brand name clothes at consignment shops.
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Members of congress rely on their staffs (whose average age is probably 24) to read and recommend votes on noncontroversial bills like this one surely would have been. There are often unintended consequences that are negative even when the intent is good.
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This just hit the news in our area yesterday although I have followed it on here some since this thread was started. A petition was posted on our news website to signs and I wanted to pass it along for others to sign. It may have been posted already, I have not looked through all the posts.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/economicimpactsofCPSIA/?e
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/economicimpactsofCPSIA/?e
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This article puts a slightly different cast on things. Note that they say they may have more clarifications today, and Julie Vallese's statement that they aren't going after consignment stores.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123137430044662809.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
New Lead Rules May Crimp Those Thrift-Shop Bargains
By MELANIE TROTTMAN
Consumers who rely on secondhand shops for low-cost children's items might face bare shelves next month -- or risk buying toys, clothing and other items that fall short of new federal safety standards.
The new rules, which impose stricter limits on lead allowed in children's products, also make it illegal to sell recalled products. But it is difficult for thrift shops to verify whether the items they sell comply with safety regulations, says the National Association of Resale & Thrift Shops, which represents 1,000 stores in the multibillion-dollar secondhand retail industry. Stores can be fined up to $100,000 per violation. And many shops are in danger of going out of business or suffering significant losses when the standards go into effect on Feb. 10, says the group.
[Lead Rules May Crimp Thrift-Shop Bargains] Cassie Chew
This used toy train, on sale at the Pennyworth thrift shop in Silver Spring, Md., just might be illegal.
Unlike mainstream retailers and manufacturers such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Mattel Inc., resale shops don't have the financial resources to test their inventory to ensure it complies with the new standards. Even if they could afford it, they tend to sell one-of-a-kind products and don't have samples that can be destroyed, as is often necessary to get accurate test results for lead.
The change comes as many stores in the resale industry have seen increased business from consumers seeking to stretch their dollars on everything from toys to children's clothing in the strained economy. Some 16% to 18% of Americans now shop at a thrift store at least once during a given year, an increase of two percentage points from two years ago, according to America's Research Group, a consumer research firm based in Charleston, S.C.
Stores say the quick implementation of the new limits on lead will leave cash-strapped consumers with limited options at a time when they need choices the most.
Kitty Boyce, owner of the Kids Closet in Rochester, Ill., one of the largest resale shops in the state, says she'll stop selling toys and baby furniture -- items that represent about 20% of her business -- if federal product-safety regulators don't make an exception for thrift stores by Feb. 9.
"Stores all over the country are just in an absolute panic," says Adele Meyer, executive director of the trade group, which is based in St. Clair Shores, Mich. The group estimates there are 25,000 secondhand stores in the U.S.
Of particular concern to makers and retailers of children's products is the broadness of the legislation, which they say may overreach. In addition to toys, the lead laws apply to children's clothing, electronics and sporting goods such as bicycles, all of which tend to contain lead in places unlikely to be accessed by children, companies argue. The Consumer Product Safety Commission is moving toward granting exceptions to certain types of these products, but hasn't yet finalized anything.
The thrift-store problem underscores the challenges of implementing new regulations with limited damage to the industries the government is actually trying to improve. Congress passed new laws last August to broadly improve consumer-product safety after a string of high-profile recalls involving dangerous toys and other children's products.
At the 1,000-square-foot Pennyworth not-for-profit thrift shop on a side street in downtown Silver Spring, Md., store manager Marilyn Seitz pointed to several children's products that could be questionable. The 63-year-old former prekindergarten teacher hadn't heard about the pending rule changes, but said they'd make it impossible to thoroughly monitor the many carloads of donations the shop gets each week. As she held up a colorfully painted $2 Ready Set Learn wooden puzzle in the store's toy section, she noted she has no way of knowing whether the seven-year-old item exceeds the new lead-paint limits.
Another item Ms. Seitz cited was some well-made unpainted wooden toy pieces secured in an organic-cotton bag, but the bag had drawstrings that she said could choke a child. "We try to weed out the ones we think are potentially dangerous," she said, but added that with her limited staff, it's an impossible task. Though her store doesn't sell only children's products, she's concerned that regulatory enforcement could limit sales of such items.
Employees of other thrift stores are unaware that the new legislation is coming. Calls to several resale stores in Washington, D.C., and Maryland on Tuesday afternoon were answered by people who said they knew nothing of the changing rules.
Vigilant shop managers say they routinely check product-recall lists and often detect such items and dispose of them, even refusing to sell car seats they can't be sure haven't been involved in car accidents. Still, some consumers insist on taking these items back home with plans to sell them at garage sales or on online auction Web sites such as eBay, which also says it polices for recalled items on its site.
On Wednesday, a group of consumer interest organizations urged the Consumer Product Safety Commission to work with secondhand stores to present common-sense solutions for the shops while ensuring compliance with the intent of the new legislation. The CPSC is expected to provide guidance to the resale industry as soon as Thursday.
In the meantime, CPSC spokeswoman Julie Vallese implied that the agency will not be focused on shutting down secondhand stores whose goods may not comply with new standards. Stores will have to make a business decision that they are confident in the products they're selling, she said.
"The agency is fully committed to carrying out the law," said Ms. Vallese. "But in terms of using the resources of the agency in the most useful way, the agency will be trying to focus on those products of greatest risk and the largest exposure" such as metal jewelry, small parts, recalled products, and other known hazards that pose the greatest risk to children.
Write to Melanie Trottman at melanie.trottman@wsj.com
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123137430044662809.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
New Lead Rules May Crimp Those Thrift-Shop Bargains
By MELANIE TROTTMAN
Consumers who rely on secondhand shops for low-cost children's items might face bare shelves next month -- or risk buying toys, clothing and other items that fall short of new federal safety standards.
The new rules, which impose stricter limits on lead allowed in children's products, also make it illegal to sell recalled products. But it is difficult for thrift shops to verify whether the items they sell comply with safety regulations, says the National Association of Resale & Thrift Shops, which represents 1,000 stores in the multibillion-dollar secondhand retail industry. Stores can be fined up to $100,000 per violation. And many shops are in danger of going out of business or suffering significant losses when the standards go into effect on Feb. 10, says the group.
[Lead Rules May Crimp Thrift-Shop Bargains] Cassie Chew
This used toy train, on sale at the Pennyworth thrift shop in Silver Spring, Md., just might be illegal.
Unlike mainstream retailers and manufacturers such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Mattel Inc., resale shops don't have the financial resources to test their inventory to ensure it complies with the new standards. Even if they could afford it, they tend to sell one-of-a-kind products and don't have samples that can be destroyed, as is often necessary to get accurate test results for lead.
The change comes as many stores in the resale industry have seen increased business from consumers seeking to stretch their dollars on everything from toys to children's clothing in the strained economy. Some 16% to 18% of Americans now shop at a thrift store at least once during a given year, an increase of two percentage points from two years ago, according to America's Research Group, a consumer research firm based in Charleston, S.C.
Stores say the quick implementation of the new limits on lead will leave cash-strapped consumers with limited options at a time when they need choices the most.
Kitty Boyce, owner of the Kids Closet in Rochester, Ill., one of the largest resale shops in the state, says she'll stop selling toys and baby furniture -- items that represent about 20% of her business -- if federal product-safety regulators don't make an exception for thrift stores by Feb. 9.
"Stores all over the country are just in an absolute panic," says Adele Meyer, executive director of the trade group, which is based in St. Clair Shores, Mich. The group estimates there are 25,000 secondhand stores in the U.S.
Of particular concern to makers and retailers of children's products is the broadness of the legislation, which they say may overreach. In addition to toys, the lead laws apply to children's clothing, electronics and sporting goods such as bicycles, all of which tend to contain lead in places unlikely to be accessed by children, companies argue. The Consumer Product Safety Commission is moving toward granting exceptions to certain types of these products, but hasn't yet finalized anything.
The thrift-store problem underscores the challenges of implementing new regulations with limited damage to the industries the government is actually trying to improve. Congress passed new laws last August to broadly improve consumer-product safety after a string of high-profile recalls involving dangerous toys and other children's products.
At the 1,000-square-foot Pennyworth not-for-profit thrift shop on a side street in downtown Silver Spring, Md., store manager Marilyn Seitz pointed to several children's products that could be questionable. The 63-year-old former prekindergarten teacher hadn't heard about the pending rule changes, but said they'd make it impossible to thoroughly monitor the many carloads of donations the shop gets each week. As she held up a colorfully painted $2 Ready Set Learn wooden puzzle in the store's toy section, she noted she has no way of knowing whether the seven-year-old item exceeds the new lead-paint limits.
Another item Ms. Seitz cited was some well-made unpainted wooden toy pieces secured in an organic-cotton bag, but the bag had drawstrings that she said could choke a child. "We try to weed out the ones we think are potentially dangerous," she said, but added that with her limited staff, it's an impossible task. Though her store doesn't sell only children's products, she's concerned that regulatory enforcement could limit sales of such items.
Employees of other thrift stores are unaware that the new legislation is coming. Calls to several resale stores in Washington, D.C., and Maryland on Tuesday afternoon were answered by people who said they knew nothing of the changing rules.
Vigilant shop managers say they routinely check product-recall lists and often detect such items and dispose of them, even refusing to sell car seats they can't be sure haven't been involved in car accidents. Still, some consumers insist on taking these items back home with plans to sell them at garage sales or on online auction Web sites such as eBay, which also says it polices for recalled items on its site.
On Wednesday, a group of consumer interest organizations urged the Consumer Product Safety Commission to work with secondhand stores to present common-sense solutions for the shops while ensuring compliance with the intent of the new legislation. The CPSC is expected to provide guidance to the resale industry as soon as Thursday.
In the meantime, CPSC spokeswoman Julie Vallese implied that the agency will not be focused on shutting down secondhand stores whose goods may not comply with new standards. Stores will have to make a business decision that they are confident in the products they're selling, she said.
"The agency is fully committed to carrying out the law," said Ms. Vallese. "But in terms of using the resources of the agency in the most useful way, the agency will be trying to focus on those products of greatest risk and the largest exposure" such as metal jewelry, small parts, recalled products, and other known hazards that pose the greatest risk to children.
Write to Melanie Trottman at melanie.trottman@wsj.com
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From Bloomberg Jan 6
http://http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a0Xr2Iw1Vi_8&refer=us
Still, companies shouldnt expect a crackdown, said Julie Vallese, a spokeswoman for the commission.
Theres a need for compliance, but its fair to say that the toy police will not be descending on all of America on Feb. 11, Vallese said.
And now this on the CPSC site
http://http://www.cpsc.gov/CPSCPUB/PREREL/prhtml09/09085.html
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 7, 2009
Release #09-085
Public Affairs Director Julie Vallese to Leave CPSC
Joe Martyak, Chief of Staff, Also Named Acting Director
Consumer Product Safety Commission Acting Chairman Nancy Nord announced today that Julie Vallese, Director of the Office of Information and Public Affairs has submitted her resignation and will leave the agency on January 16, 2009.
The spokeswoman that is reported as saying, on Jan 6, not to expect a crackdown on Feb 11, resigns on Jan 7.
http://http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a0Xr2Iw1Vi_8&refer=us
Still, companies shouldnt expect a crackdown, said Julie Vallese, a spokeswoman for the commission.
Theres a need for compliance, but its fair to say that the toy police will not be descending on all of America on Feb. 11, Vallese said.
And now this on the CPSC site
http://http://www.cpsc.gov/CPSCPUB/PREREL/prhtml09/09085.html
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 7, 2009
Release #09-085
Public Affairs Director Julie Vallese to Leave CPSC
Joe Martyak, Chief of Staff, Also Named Acting Director
Consumer Product Safety Commission Acting Chairman Nancy Nord announced today that Julie Vallese, Director of the Office of Information and Public Affairs has submitted her resignation and will leave the agency on January 16, 2009.
The spokeswoman that is reported as saying, on Jan 6, not to expect a crackdown on Feb 11, resigns on Jan 7.
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This is really pretty fascinating.
Of course, she may have just quit, because she's obviously trying to be a spokeswoman at a time when the agency seems to have no idea what it is doing. It's very hard to be the public face of an entity at a time like that.
Today should be interesting.
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At least one Congressmen seems to have gotten the message:
http://www.timesleader.com/news/Agency_gives_shops_reprieve_on_some_items_01-08-2009.html
Congressman (Christopher) Carney is aware of the issue and will be working with congressional leaders and the Consumer Product Safety Commission to see that it is addressed. This legislation was designed to protect our children, but an overbroad interpretation can adversely impact our local businesses, and we need to see that corrected, said Rebecca Gale, Carneys spokeswoman.
http://www.timesleader.com/news/Agency_gives_shops_reprieve_on_some_items_01-08-2009.html
Congressman (Christopher) Carney is aware of the issue and will be working with congressional leaders and the Consumer Product Safety Commission to see that it is addressed. This legislation was designed to protect our children, but an overbroad interpretation can adversely impact our local businesses, and we need to see that corrected, said Rebecca Gale, Carneys spokeswoman.
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Does anyone know how this will effect books?
libraries
school texts
homeschool materials
coloring books
reading material
magazines
all intended for 'children under 12'
libraries
school texts
homeschool materials
coloring books
reading material
magazines
all intended for 'children under 12'
famofsix
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the worst part of this whole thing is that lead is a bigger problem in homes and lead paint in homes. The chance to get lead poisoning from clothing is minimal and not a real threat. It is an overreaction to a bigger problem related to industry and importing goods from China that should have never reached the toy or clothing shelf
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the worst part of this whole thing is that lead is a bigger problem in homes and lead paint in homes. The chance to get lead poisoning from clothing is minimal and not a real threat. It is an overreaction to a bigger problem related to industry and importing goods from China that should have never reached the toy or clothing shelf
I haven't read all of the responses but agree with the above statement. I think we need to stop depending on China for making EVERYTHING for us. Start making things from clothes, shoes, toys, etc here in the US again so that we can monitor what is put in them. Yes, we might have to pay more but if US factories get back up and running, unemployment will go down and more people can afford to buy. My husband is seeing in his area of work things are sloooowly coming back to the US from China. The companies he deals with get lots of product from China that are rejects and DH has to fix them.
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These materials all do fall under the restrictions, the FAQ on the CPSIA website specifically says so. Public libraries are watching closely to see what form the new rulings take. Lots of colored inks still contain lead, so most of our existing collections would be at issue.
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But the Post did do a front page story today, so we have progress:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...710028C4BC75C1E986257538000F9ABB?OpenDocument
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UPDATE: Resale and New Lead Rules
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission should be coming out this morning with a press release that I'm told will clarify the new rules requiring lead testing for children's products that go into effect on Feb. 10.
Scott Wolfson, a spokesman, said the release should come out in the next couple of hours. It was slated to come out yesterday, but Wolfson said they were held up.
Wolfson said the release will spell out exactly what will be expected of those in the resale market.
"It's going to be on the resale marketplace and what the obligations are and are not," he told me minutes ago. "We want to calm the waters as best we can."
The press release will be posted at www.cpsc.gov.
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission should be coming out this morning with a press release that I'm told will clarify the new rules requiring lead testing for children's products that go into effect on Feb. 10.
Scott Wolfson, a spokesman, said the release should come out in the next couple of hours. It was slated to come out yesterday, but Wolfson said they were held up.
Wolfson said the release will spell out exactly what will be expected of those in the resale market.
"It's going to be on the resale marketplace and what the obligations are and are not," he told me minutes ago. "We want to calm the waters as best we can."
The press release will be posted at www.cpsc.gov.
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Was just checking Craigslist and they have posted-No more clothing sales after Feb 10.
Buying secondhand clothing will be impossible for us with cold, snowy winters. I guess I will have to really plan ahead when I hit the rummage sales in the summer.
Buying secondhand clothing will be impossible for us with cold, snowy winters. I guess I will have to really plan ahead when I hit the rummage sales in the summer.
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