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i must admit, there is a strong resemblance. It may not be an exact replica, but it seems plausible it was the inspiration.
Especially so, given that this was not just a random van somewhere in the country, but one that was present specifically at a Pixar event. I don't know enough about intellectual property law to know whether seeing her van there and deciding to make the van in the movie look like it is a violation of any laws or a breach of any contracts, etc. Had they asked her to provide a van design for them, then do nothing about it or "buy" it, only for it to show up later in the movie, that would be a problem, I would think. Someone seeing her van at an event and thinking, that is cool, that would be great for those kids to drive around in something like that, I don't know what the law is. If that is a copyrighted piece of art, essentially, then yeah, it's probably an issue. By the same token, if animators used the Guggenheim as the basis to design a villain's headquarters, let's say, would that really be an issue? It may be a weird story in that the van itself is weird to begin with (the fact that it existed prior to the movie), but I certainly will not pass judgment on whether she has a valid claim.
 

Especially so, given that this was not just a random van somewhere in the country, but one that was present specifically at a Pixar event. I don't know enough about intellectual property law to know whether seeing her van there and deciding to make the van in the movie look like it is a violation of any laws or a breach of any contracts, etc. Had they asked her to provide a van design for them, then do nothing about it or "buy" it, only for it to show up later in the movie, that would be a problem, I would think. Someone seeing her van at an event and thinking, that is cool, that would be great for those kids to drive around in something like that, I don't know what the law is. If that is a copyrighted piece of art, essentially, then yeah, it's probably an issue. By the same token, if animators used the Guggenheim as the basis to design a villain's headquarters, let's say, would that really be an issue? It may be a weird story in that the van itself is weird to begin with (the fact that it existed prior to the movie), but I certainly will not pass judgment on whether she has a valid claim.
In the US you have natural copyright, so the second you create something it is copyrighted. She'll have to prove it was created first and probably that Disney knowingly used it as inspiration. The fairytales are in the public domain now, so Disney can use them at will. But Disney wants everyone to respect their copyrights, they sold respect other's. Especially when they are the ones that fought for the extremely strong and never ending copyrights.


ETA: Just finished the article, if everything in it is true, Disney appears to be way in the wrong and she'll likely get a settlement letter than what she would've gotten if they had just paid her to begin with.
 
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Did not know that it defaults to being copyrighted - I thought you had to take some kind of action, but I guess that makes more sense. Trademarks get registered, patents you have to go through the process, but I guess I've never heard of a copyright registration - just always assumed there was some process, but now realizing that would be onerous and impossible to manage.

I guess though, is there some kind of ability to use something that is someone else's artwork, essentially, as inspiration or in another way. I mean, there's plenty of things in cartoons that are essentially taken from the real world. Also, plenty of art, etc. that shows up in movies because it's in public. I mean, in this instance, it's not like the van is an integral story line/idea that is the basis of the movie. My guess is that Pixar animators saw it, and they thought it was cool and these characters would drive something like it. They probably even thought it was a cool Easter egg type thing for those who've seen the real van. I mean, probably would've been nice to do something for her, and certainly if that creates a claim for her and she's right, then she should be entitled to some type of compensation.
 
Did not know that it defaults to being copyrighted - I thought you had to take some kind of action, but I guess that makes more sense. Trademarks get registered, patents you have to go through the process, but I guess I've never heard of a copyright registration - just always assumed there was some process, but now realizing that would be onerous and impossible to manage.

I guess though, is there some kind of ability to use something that is someone else's artwork, essentially, as inspiration or in another way. I mean, there's plenty of things in cartoons that are essentially taken from the real world. Also, plenty of art, etc. that shows up in movies because it's in public. I mean, in this instance, it's not like the van is an integral story line/idea that is the basis of the movie. My guess is that Pixar animators saw it, and they thought it was cool and these characters would drive something like it. They probably even thought it was a cool Easter egg type thing for those who've seen the real van. I mean, probably would've been nice to do something for her, and certainly if that creates a claim for her and she's right, then she should be entitled to some type of compensation.
I know there are fair use standards and exceptions for satire. But I wouldn't think those applied in the case, with the van being a central part of the film. Then it also wasn't a passing thing one of the animators saw on the road and thought it was cool then made a derivative from it, they (allegedly) rented the van from her for the specific purpose of copying it. I know in a lot of copyright cases it is really hard to show infringement vs similar vs inspired, but in the case the proof of intent to infringe will be very obvious (if the facts are as stated).
 
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I know there are fair use standards and exceptions for satire. But I wouldn't think those applied in the case, with the van being a central part of the film. Then it also wasn't a passing thing one of the animators saw on the road and thought it was cool then made a derivative from it, they (allegedly) rented the van from her for the specific purpose of copying it. I know in a lot of copyright cases it is really hard to show infringement vs similar vs inspired, but in the case the proof of intent to infringe will be very obvious (if the facts are as stated).
Yeah. When I originally posted the article I wasn't thinking one way or the other about right or wrong. Just kind of amusing that they are getting sued over a unicorn painted van. Two sides to every story though, and so far we've only heard one. But it does look... not so good... for Disney on this one if she has her story right.
 
I read the article and it is interesting. However, part of my brain keeps thinking, "These kinds of painted vans seemed to be all over the place in the 70s." I even seem to remember Hot Wheels doing a version of one.
Not to mention that a Carmax commercial had a similar van in it. In fact, I believe it was a lot closer looking than the Pixar van.
 
There are a couple great Disney related quotes in this article. Kerry Washington's about Bob Iger and Seth MacFarlane's at the bottom.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...iger-seth-macfarlane-tv-hall-fame/4606764002/
"He began his career sweeping ashes out of the ovens at Pizza Hut. If that is not a modern-day Cinderella, I don't know what is," she said. "Then, just like Cinderella, things changed when he befriended a mouse. Like Merida, he set out to change his fate. Like Moana, he went beyond the reef. Like Tiana, he kissed a few frogs, professionally speaking. Not every new TV show is going to be 'Grey's Anatomy,' but that's the cost of being bold, and it was worth it." -- Kerry Washington about Bob Iger

"I am receiving this at a time when I've passed another career milestone. Walt Disney's 'Family Guy' – Bob, I’m toeing the (expletive) company line – has been on television for two decades … which is not bad for a show that's been canceled three times. When 'Family Guy' was canceled, I created 'American Dad. Then 'Family Guy' was brought back and I suddenly realized I had done the same show twice and it was too late to do anything about it," he said, before honoring the medium in his own unique way. "Here we are, over 600 episodes later, and still, no one seems to care. That’s the power of television." --- Seth MacFarlane
 














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