News Round Up 2018

[rteetz]

It just doesn't "feel" like a resort like Disney if one park is so separated from the others. I mean, sure .. they could do some sort of bus transportation, but then you pass by all this "other" stuff .. so it loses that "resort" feel.

They don’t have much of a choice in that. They don’t have the land options like Disney.

 

[SG131]

Not impossible, no. Just very, very messy. The construction required to do a Gondola or Suspended Monorail would really screw up that area for a long time. It could be done, but I'm guessing all those companies along that stretch would scream. Long and loud. A subway is just not something to consider. Not in FL.

Yup subway would be a horrible idea in the swamp lands of Florida. I think it would be a really hard sell to put a private monorail or gondola system within public right of way since it’s not really for the good of the public no matter how much money they are willing to pay. They would have do it outside of the roadway on private land and pay each of the land owners a nice chunk of money to build through their land. It would take a lot of money and negotiations. Bus would probably be most practical.

 

[rteetz]

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Disney Parks Lucasfilm collection

https://wdwnt.com/2018/10/lucasfilm...n-now-available-at-disneys-hollywood-studios/

 

[tlmadden73]

They don’t have much of a choice in that. They don’t have the land options like Disney.

Oh .. I understand that and don't have a problem with another "Universal" park wherever it is in the area. I am just saying .. calling it a "resort" is a stretch -- (Just how calling Volcano Bay their 3rd theme park is a stretch).

 

[jknezek]

Oh .. I understand that and don't have a problem with another "Universal" park wherever it is in the area. I am just saying .. calling it a "resort" is a stretch -- (Just how calling Volcano Bay their 3rd theme park is a stretch).

If there is a hotel attached to it, and there will be more than one, then it's a resort. Lots of hotels call themselves resorts with nothing more than a nice pool. WDW is a one of a kind thing. Even the overseas parks can't match it. Judging something not a resort because it can't measure up to WDW is a very high bar.

 

[Firebird060]

Yup subway would be a horrible idea in the swamp lands of Florida. I think it would be a really hard sell to put a private monorail or gondola system within public right of way since it’s not really for the good of the public no matter how much money they are willing to pay. They would have do it outside of the roadway on private land and pay each of the land owners a nice chunk of money to build through their land. It would take a lot of money and negotiations. Bus would probably be most practical.

Heres the whole thing, with the ISTEA act of 1992 roadways and transportation on public land doesn't have to benefit the public. Sadly we already see private highways and bypasses in our country, and we have seen the rise of "Express toll lanes" all over the US with more in planning and proposals as ways to deal with traffic conditions., where there is a pay to access system. These are built on public lands and managed by private companies with part of the proceeds going to government. Universal could do the same thing, requiring a multi day multi park pass which has a built in cost that goes directly to Orlando or the State or both, and they can argue it would bring in more visitors and more tax revenue which would benefit the state.

As for all the money Comcast has in SKY, and the debt they have incurred, doesnt really mean they arent willing to spend the money. I mean they still are going ahead with building the 3rd gate, a multi billion dollar project even after acquiring sky. So it shows Comcast isnt against going further in Debt.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

If there is a hotel attached to it, and there will be more than one, then it's a resort. Lots of hotels call themselves resorts with nothing more than a nice pool. WDW is a one of a kind thing. Even the overseas parks can't match it. Judging something not a resort because it can't measure up to WDW is a very high bar.

I do think they will have hotels and maybe a 2nd City Walk type area - so in the end it might almost feel like 2 resorts that you can go between vs one self contained place - with those Value resorts sort of in the middle like @dina444444 mentioned

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It just doesn't "feel" like a resort like Disney if one park is so separated from the others. I mean, sure .. they could do some sort of bus transportation, but then you pass by all this "other" stuff .. so it loses that "resort" feel.

Oh .. I understand that and don't have a problem with another "Universal" park wherever it is in the area. I am just saying .. calling it a "resort" is a stretch -- (Just how calling Volcano Bay their 3rd theme park is a stretch).

You must be using a different definition of "resort" than.

Merriam-Webster: "a place designed to provide recreation, entertainment, and accommodation especially to vacationers : a community or establishment whose purpose or main industry is catering to vacationers"

It's referred to as Walt Disney World Resort and Universal Orlando Resort which are vast umbrellas. Volcano Bay is a part of Universal Orlando Resort just as Blizzard Beach and Typhoon Lagoon are part of Walt Disney World Resort.

It's a bit interesting your argument because you make comments for why Universal's new part wouldn't feel like a resort even though there are much more distances between things when you're on the Walt Disney World Resort property and you pass by traffic, roads, traffic signals, etc all real life things.

The only difference between WDW and Universal in terms of your argument is WDW's land was bought years and years before Universal and had methods for staying under the radar in terms of land interest and pricing of land that Universal didn't quite have that luxury and so they make due with what they have.

I'm excited Universal is possibly making another gate. I'm certaintly not going to hold it against them nor would I hold DLR against them for being landlocked such that they are.

 

[skier_pete]

So why does Universal still get away with this BS about it being a "4th gate"? Volcano Bay is nice, but doesn't seem anything more special that BB or TL.

Shouldn't we start talking about Disney new park rumors as a "7th gate" if we go by the same standards?

 

[TheMaxRebo]

You must be using a different definition of "resort" than.

Merriam-Webster: "a place designed to provide recreation, entertainment, and accommodation especially to vacationers : a community or establishment whose purpose or main industry is catering to vacationers"

It's referred to as Walt Disney World Resort and Universal Orlando Resort which are vast umbrellas. Volcano Bay is a part of Universal Orlando Resort just as Blizzard Beach and Typhoon Lagoon are part of Walt Disney World Resort.

It's a bit interesting your argument because you make comments for why Universal's new part wouldn't feel like a resort even though there are much more distances between things when you're on the Walt Disney World Resort property and you pass by traffic, roads, traffic signals, etc all real life things.

The only difference between WDW and Universal in terms of your argument is WDW's land was bought years and years before Universal and had methods for staying under the radar in terms of land interest and pricing of land that Universal didn't quite have that luxury and so they make due with what they have.

I'm excited Universal is possibly making another gate. I'm certaintly not going to hold it against them nor would I hold DLR against them for being landlocked such that they are.

well, the difference is all the stuff you would pass that are owned and operated by entities other than Universal. Whereas, for the most part, everything you pass when going from one Disney Park to another Disney Park is owned and operated by Disney

So I do get what @tlmadden73 is saying - going from Islands of Adventure and then passing a Golden Corral and Ripley's Believe it or Not or Pirate Cove Adventure Golf to get to this new Universal Park does feel like leaving a contained "resort" and going to something else

Not holding it against them or saying it is horrible or anything, but I do get that it provides a different feeling. Guess it is the same thing as those that want to stay "in the Disney Bubble" their entire vacation vs staying offsite to Disney

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

So why does Universal still get away with this BS about it being a "4th gate"? Volcano Bay is nice, but doesn't seem anything more special that BB or TL.

Shouldn't we start talking about Disney new park rumors as a "7th gate" if we go by the same standards?

I've never agreed with Universal calling Volcano Bay their 3rd theme park it's a water park--I've been vocal about that in the past on the Boards so they aren't "getting away with it" from me.

That doesn't mean that all aren't under the umbrella of Universal Orlando Resort along with CityWalk, Volcano Bay, their hotels, etc just as Walt Disney World Resort encompasses hotels, theme parks, water parks, shopping district, golf, mini golf, etc.

It's unfair IMO to utilize an argument in terms of distance when for example MK and AK are between 5.3 and 5.7miles from each other the only difference is Disney was able to purchase the land under conditions that can never be replicated in terms of cost, and ones in which Universal was unable to take advantage of.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

well, the difference is all the stuff you would pass that are owned and operated by entities other than Universal. Whereas, for the most part, everything you pass when going from one Disney Park to another Disney Park is owned and operated by Disney

So I do get what @tlmadden73 is saying - going from Islands of Adventure and then passing a Golden Corral and Ripley's Believe it or Not or Pirate Cove Adventure Golf to get to this new Universal Park does feel like leaving a contained "resort" and going to something else

Not holding it against them or saying it is horrible or anything, but I do get that it provides a different feeling. Guess it is the same thing as those that want to stay "in the Disney Bubble" their entire vacation vs staying offsite to Disney

I didn't say I didn't get the argument. I said it was interesting because distance was being used.

Are we trying to say we never want Universal to greatly expand their offerings because they are landlocked and thus would have to purchase land outside of what they already own? Wonder if Universal owned the land that WDW owns and WDW owned the land that Universal owns if the exact same argument would be used by the exact same people.

 

[hertamaniac]

It’s closer to where the new hotels are being built.

And is virtually across the street from the convention center (with their associated hotels). You also have Andretti Indoor Karting center and Topgolf right next door. I think this location is partially targeted to cater to the conventioneers.

 

[Farro]

well, the difference is all the stuff you would pass that are owned and operated by entities other than Universal. Whereas, for the most part, everything you pass when going from one Disney Park to another Disney Park is owned and operated by Disney

So I do get what @tlmadden73 is saying - going from Islands of Adventure and then passing a Golden Corral and Ripley's Believe it or Not or Pirate Cove Adventure Golf to get to this new Universal Park does feel like leaving a contained "resort" and going to something else

Not holding it against them or saying it is horrible or anything, but I do get that it provides a different feeling. Guess it is the same thing as those that want to stay "in the Disney Bubble" their entire vacation vs staying offsite to Disney

Exactamundo!

 

[rteetz]

News

Walt Disney World Stationing Non-Security Cast Members at Resort Booths to Better Collect Parking Fees

 

[Irish_Mike]

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Walt Disney World Stationing Non-Security Cast Members at Resort Booths to Better Collect Parking Fees

Started on Sunday of this week, primarily (from what I've seen) front office CM's

 

[rteetz]

Started on Sunday of this week, primarily (from what I've seen) front office CM's

Someone reported on WDWmagic they were denied to even eat lunch at AKL

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I didn't say I didn't get the argument. I said it was interesting because distance was being used.

Are we trying to say we never want Universal to greatly expand their offerings because they are landlocked and thus would have to purchase land outside of what they already own? Wonder if Universal owned the land that WDW owns and WDW owned the land that Universal owns if the exact same argument would be used by the exact same people.

I don’t see anyone saying universal shpuld exthis and or shouldn’t do what they are doing - I certainly am not.

And I didn’t really see “distance” being used, I reread it and it was being “separated” and passing “stuff” so that is what I focused on and passing “stuff” that is owned and operated but different entities does break up the sense of a cohesive resort vs it all being owned/operates bu

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Someone reported on WDWmagic they were denied to even eat lunch at AKL

Really? Wow, is this because the guard didn't believe them or is this a change in procedure? I *think* aren't you allowed to park for a limited time to shop and dine?

 

[rteetz]

Really? Wow, is this because the guard didn't believe them or is this a change in procedure? I *think* aren't you allowed to park for a limited time to shop and dine?

It's unclear. According to the written policy day guests are allowed to park for free if eating and shopping.