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New Ticket Upgrade Policy?

ok me figure out how much will it be to add 2 days to my ticket I purchased in Jan 2014
I have 1 adult and 1 child 5 day MYW tickets and wanting to have 2 extra days

Current Disney policy (until we hear differently) is to price-bridge your tickets to full gate price value IF you use the tickets to enter a DisneyWorld park first.
Adult 5 day Base ticket (including tax) $ 323.76
Child 5 day Base ticket (including tax) $ 302.46

Upgrading to
Adult 7 day Base ticket (including tax) $ 345.06
Child 7 day Base ticket (including tax) $ 323.76

Difference
Adult $345.06 - $323.76 = $21.30
Child $323.76 - $302.46 = $21.30

If there is a change to Disney policy, say Disney policy changes to only give you gate price from the date of your original tickets:
Jan 2014 Adult 5 day Base ticket (including tax) $ 307.79
Jan 2014 Child 5 day Base ticket (including tax) $ 287.55
Difference
Adult $345.06 - 307.79 = $37.27
Child $323.76 - 287.55 = $36.21
 
What an utter mess. It is Thursday, and yet no confirmation from anyone on this supposed new policy.
 
Thanks! I actually made a list of the tickets I have (photocopied them) and I printed out the receipts from UT from when I bought them. So, at least if nothing else I am informed of when I purchased and what I paid. The only ones I don't have the original tickets of were some 10 day Non expire PH &WP that had added to my KTTW card a few years ago. I still have the photocopy of the original ticket and my KKTW card (with 5 days remaining and water parks too).

Photocopy your KTTW cards, too. Front and Back. The numbers on the back tie in to your reservation and tickets. If you lose the actual card, Disney can research your remaining assets from those numbers, and place it on new media.
 
What an utter mess. It is Thursday, and yet no confirmation from anyone on this supposed new policy.

Ya, I'm at a loss on how this whole thing works. Is there anyone at Disney who can give an official word? Sounds like we can only just talk to CMs who don't seem to have the same information. There really is nothing concrete that you can take with you to protect yourself from being taken advantage of.
 

UT isn't actually saying whether the guest will get gate price at time of guest purchase or time the ticket is sold. It is MouseSavers that is saying that the guest will get gate price at the time the ticket is sold to the third party reseller. BUT, MouseSavers has an affiliate relationship with UT, so it is safe to assume they are sharing info (using same source) and saying the same thing.

But the one post I saw from mousesavers was saying that you have been upgraded to gate-at-the-time-of-ticket-sale for years. And he said cheshire said it. And I've never read cheshire to say that at all.

It's ALL suspect to me.

Have we found out what caused AE to post that initial info in the first place? What happened there?
 
But the one post I saw from mousesavers was saying that you have been upgraded to gate-at-the-time-of-ticket-sale for years. And he said cheshire said it. And I've never read cheshire to say that at all.

It's ALL suspect to me.

Have we found out what caused AE to post that initial info in the first place? What happened there?

I think they said they had a couple customers call because they were at WDW and were told they couldn't upgrade their tickets...much like the one poster's friend. So, AE then called WDW and were told what they posted.
 
Have we found out what caused AE to post that initial info in the first place? What happened there?

There is a post up thread somewhere that explains how current visitors were contacting AE and then they called Disney or something. It was a post that quoted some updated info from their site.
 
I think they said they had a couple customers call because they were at WDW and were told they couldn't upgrade their tickets...much like the one poster's friend. So, AE then called WDW and were told what they posted.

And we all know how reliable phone CMs are...
 
What an utter mess. It is Thursday, and yet no confirmation from anyone on this supposed new policy.

then again, there was no public confirmation of the *old* policy, either. All by word-of-mouth along with occasional insider information.
 
But the one post I saw from mousesavers was saying that you have been upgraded to gate-at-the-time-of-ticket-sale for years. And he said cheshire said it. And I've never read cheshire to say that at all.

Cheshire Figment said that tickets purchased directly from Disney will not be price bridged. This policy has been in effect for several years. {Edit: I was wrong; the policy changed in June 2012}

Read this post, item number 1:

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=48592501&postcount=22

Note the bold section where he says, "These tickets will not be price bridged." For some time, discounted or wholesale tickets could be price bridged (item number 2 in the post above). What we have been told is that the new policy is now that no tickets will be price bridged, at least not to current gate price as a general policy. You can think of them giving you credit for the original gate price, even though you didn't necessarily pay gate price, as a form of price bridging, but that's not what Disney thinks of "bridging."

As for the question of whether the relevant date is the date you purchased the ticket or the date the ticket was issued by Disney, what we were told is purchase date, and thus we believe that the intent is to give you the price on the date you purchased the ticket. As Robo and others have correctly noted. Disney does not know this date; they can find out the date of issue and the gate price on that date easily, and for most tickets that's going to be close enough to the actual purchase date to make no difference to the price.

What will happen if a guest bought the ticket after a price increase but the ticket was issued somewhat earlier, before the price increase? I don't know. I would like to think that if a guest has a receipt, or even a reasonable and plausible story, that the guest will be given the benefit of the doubt. But as has been pointed out many times in this thread and on the DIS boards generally, upgrading and bridging is a complicated subject that many CMs get wrong.

The advice we give on MouseSavers is that we would not assume that the rules for bridging will never change. They have changed in the past; they may change in the future. However, we think it's fine to assume that you will be able to upgrade. Disney has published statements saying that Magic Your Way tickets can be upgraded. We don't expect that to ever change.

Some have expressed skepticism that there has been any change at all. I can only say that the owner of Undercover Tourist spent a ton of time over the last few days getting written assurances from Disney; and those written statements say what we said earlier, and what UT said earlier. We checked with our own sources within Disney, and got exactly the same answer. I mean, this is Disney and sometimes there is confusion and sometimes people don't know what is actually true. But in this case, we believe we're correct. We're not relying on bus driver gossip. :)

It's also easy to believe this policy change, because it follows along with the policy change from a few years ago where direct-purchased tickets were not bridged. It also matches the policy at Disneyland, where no tickets are automatically bridged (though CMs will sometimes sprinkle pixie dust on your ticket and credit you with current gate price).

To reiterate:

Upgrades are still allowed on any Magic Your Way ticket, purchased anywhere, as long as it has been less than 14 days since first use and it still has at least one valid entitlement left. The price for the upgrade will be the difference between the current gate price of the new ticket and the gate price of the old ticket as of the date of purchase. CMs can still bridge the old ticket to current gate price at their discretion, but you cannot plan on that happening.

As I say above, it's possible (heck, likely) that you'll actually be credited with the gate price as of the date of issue, because that's the date the computer will show. If that's different from the price on the actual purchase date, it's worth providing any documentation you have of your actual purchase date, or at least telling the CM when you bought the ticket. Then politely request that you get credit for the price as of your date of purchase. As with so many things at Disney, though, your results will depend on the CM.

I know it's frustrating that bridging and upgrading are not applied consistently. The thing is, these are all unpublished policies, and they're unpublished because Disney wants leeway in how to interpret them. They don't like people depending on the specifics of unpublished policies. Guests doing an upgrade should expect to get at least the amount they paid for the ticket as a credit. The new policy should deliver that, and in many cases more than that. Specifically, if you buy a discounted ticket, from UT or anywhere else, you should still keep that discount if you upgrade.

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Don
 
This would throw a monkey wrench in my plans. I already linked 5 day tix bought form UT months ago to my two daughters MB's. I planned to upgrade them to the discounted PAP while there because we have another trip planned for December. But if I have to pay the price difference from what I paid for the 5 day tix - I would rather save them for another trip down the road because some times we do only go for 5 days. Then I would have to find out if I can just buy them PAP while there and somehow unlink or not use the fix on their banks. I woukd have to find this out before entering the park with them and activating their tix. And we leave in 13 days.
I'm in the exact same situation! I don't know what to do!
 
then again, there was no public confirmation of the *old* policy, either. All by word-of-mouth along with occasional insider information.

Exactly. Unless the policy was in writing and represented by the 3rd party seller as not subject to change (and really, who would be that dumb to represent that) I really do not understand all the people who relied on the ability to bridge and are now acting as if someone robbed them of some entitlement.
 
Exactly. Unless the policy was in writing and represented by the 3rd party seller as not subject to change (and really, who would be that dumb to represent that) I really do not understand all the people who relied on the ability to bridge and are now acting as if someone robbed them of some entitlement.

My problem isn't that Disney changed their policy. I get that. All Terms and Conditions state that they are subject to change.

Here are my problems:

1) ALL Ears posted that upgrades wouldn't be allowed at all. They based it on rumor, posted as fact, and turned out to be 100% false. They have since changed what they originally posted, but I, for one, have lost respect for them. And that has nothing to do with Disney.

2) Undercover Tourist did a decent job of trying to figure this out. BUT, they sent out one email with incorrect information. Not really a big deal because they did follow up shortly with a correction email. They are people. HOWEVER, their correction email wasn't correct and contradicts what is being posted here. They haven't fixed that yet. I find that to be a bit sleazy in business practices. But that has nothing to do with Disney.

3) THIS does have to do with Disney. Depending on the ticket I have, I could lose money. As someone pointed out earlier, it is possible to lose money by doing upgrades. It depends on how old your ticket is, it depends on how old your resellers stock was when they sold it to you (There are many, many resellers out there beyond UT), and it depends on what you are sitting on v. what you need.

It also might mean needing to just not use that ticket so when you thought you had tickets covered for your trip, you suddenly find that you need to buy different tickets. Quite frankly, the way Disney is going, we are no longer taking annual trips. Comparing Disney today to Disney 10-15 years ago, you get less for your money (even at the same price). Disney is cutting everything from CM training (so no magical experiences like you used to get--super friendly--), extra entertainment, attractions (seriously, Epcot is becoming a ghost of what it was), and more. But that is something only us old-timers with frequent visits would notice. But hey, that's life. Disney is a business. It just used to be more than "a business" (and that's what made it great).

It's hard to know what to do without clear information. And you have to link your dang tickets in advance because of the crappy FP system now.
 
My biggest problem with the whole thing is that more than one person has apparently been refused an upgrade at multiple locations!! I understand that in the past, one or two CMs might not know the policy but FOUR locations??
 
My problem isn't that Disney changed their policy. I get that. All Terms and Conditions state that they are subject to change.

Here are my problems:

1) ALL Ears posted that upgrades wouldn't be allowed at all. They based it on rumor, posted as fact, and turned out to be 100% false. They have since changed what they originally posted, but I, for one, have lost respect for them. And that has nothing to do with Disney.

2) Undercover Tourist did a decent job of trying to figure this out. BUT, they sent out one email with incorrect information. Not really a big deal because they did follow up shortly with a correction email. They are people. HOWEVER, their correction email wasn't correct and contradicts what is being posted here. They haven't fixed that yet. I find that to be a bit sleazy in business practices. But that has nothing to do with Disney.

3) THIS does have to do with Disney. Depending on the ticket I have, I could lose money. As someone pointed out earlier, it is possible to lose money by doing upgrades. It depends on how old your ticket is, it depends on how old your resellers stock was when they sold it to you (There are many, many resellers out there beyond UT), and it depends on what you are sitting on v. what you need.

It also might mean needing to just not use that ticket so when you thought you had tickets covered for your trip, you suddenly find that you need to buy different tickets. Quite frankly, the way Disney is going, we are no longer taking annual trips. Comparing Disney today to Disney 10-15 years ago, you get less for your money (even at the same price). Disney is cutting everything from CM training (so no magical experiences like you used to get--super friendly--), extra entertainment, attractions (seriously, Epcot is becoming a ghost of what it was), and more. But that is something only us old-timers with frequent visits would notice. But hey, that's life. Disney is a business. It just used to be more than "a business" (and that's what made it great).

It's hard to know what to do without clear information. And you have to link your dang tickets in advance because of the crappy FP system now.

It has everything to do with Disney. All Ears and UCT posted their information from what they thought were reliable Disney contacts. Reality is the left hand at Disney doesn't know what the right is doing. Everyone is getting conflicting information. How were they supposed to know what is right when Disney doesn't seem to know what is right.
 
It has everything to do with Disney. All Ears and UCT posted their information from what they thought were reliable Disney contacts. Reality is the left hand at Disney doesn't know what the right is doing. Everyone is getting conflicting information. How were they supposed to know what is right when Disney doesn't seem to know what is right.

I don't really believe that in the case of All Ears.
 
Cheshire Figment said that tickets purchased directly from Disney will not be price bridged. This policy has been in effect for several years.

Read this post, item number 1:

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=48592501&postcount=22

Note the bold section where he says, "These tickets will not be price bridged." For some time, discounted or wholesale tickets could be price bridged (item number 2 in the post above). What we have been told is that the new policy is now that no tickets will be price bridged, at least not to current gate price as a general policy. You can think of them giving you credit for the original gate price, even though you didn't necessarily pay gate price, as a form of price bridging, but that's not what Disney thinks of "bridging."

As for the question of whether the relevant date is the date you purchased the ticket or the date the ticket was issued by Disney, what we were told is purchase date, and thus we believe that the intent is to give you the price on the date you purchased the ticket. As Robo and others have correctly noted. Disney does not know this date; they can find out the date of issue and the gate price on that date easily, and for most tickets that's going to be close enough to the actual purchase date to make no difference to the price.

What will happen if a guest bought the ticket after a price increase but the ticket was issued somewhat earlier, before the price increase? I don't know. I would like to think that if a guest has a receipt, or even a reasonable and plausible story, that the guest will be given the benefit of the doubt. But as has been pointed out many times in this thread and on the DIS boards generally, upgrading and bridging is a complicated subject that many CMs get wrong.

The advice we give on MouseSavers is that we would not assume that the rules for bridging will never change. They have changed in the past; they may change in the future. However, we think it's fine to assume that you will be able to upgrade. Disney has published statements saying that Magic Your Way tickets can be upgraded. We don't expect that to ever change.

Some have expressed skepticism that there has been any change at all. I can only say that the owner of Undercover Tourist spent a ton of time over the last few days getting written assurances from Disney; and those written statements say what we said earlier, and what UT said earlier. We checked with our own sources within Disney, and got exactly the same answer. I mean, this is Disney and sometimes there is confusion and sometimes people don't know what is actually true. But in this case, we believe we're correct. We're not relying on bus driver gossip. :)

It's also easy to believe this policy change, because it follows along with the policy change from a few years ago where direct-purchased tickets were not bridged. It also matches the policy at Disneyland, where no tickets are automatically bridged (though CMs will sometimes sprinkle pixie dust on your ticket and credit you with current gate price).

To reiterate:

Upgrades are still allowed on any Magic Your Way ticket, purchased anywhere, as long as it has been less than 14 days since first use and it still has at least one valid entitlement left. The price for the upgrade will be the difference between the current gate price of the new ticket and the gate price of the old ticket as of the date of purchase. CMs can still bridge the old ticket to current gate price at their discretion, but you cannot plan on that happening.

As I say above, it's possible (heck, likely) that you'll actually be credited with the gate price as of the date of issue, because that's the date the computer will show. If that's different from the price on the actual purchase date, it's worth providing any documentation you have of your actual purchase date, or at least telling the CM when you bought the ticket. Then politely request that you get credit for the price as of your date of purchase. As with so many things at Disney, though, your results will depend on the CM.

I know it's frustrating that bridging and upgrading are not applied consistently. The thing is, these are all unpublished policies, and they're unpublished because Disney wants leeway in how to interpret them. They don't like people depending on the specifics of unpublished policies. Guests doing an upgrade should expect to get at least the amount they paid for the ticket as a credit. The new policy should deliver that, and in many cases more than that. Specifically, if you buy a discounted ticket, from UT or anywhere else, you should still keep that discount if you upgrade.

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Don - MouseSavers.com

You have wrongly interpreted Cheshire's post. The part about not price bridging is in reference to #1 which are tickets bought directly from Disney, already at full price and not in need of bridging.
Under #2, discount tickets from places such as UCT, DO get price bridged.
 
You have wrongly interpreted Cheshire's post. The part about not price bridging is in reference to #1 which are tickets bought directly from Disney, already at full price and not in need of bridging.
Under #2, discount tickets from places such as UCT, DO get price bridged.

Cheshire says in #1 that if the ticket was bought since the last price increase, it's already at full price and does not need bridging. I will quote his next sentence:

"However, if there is a general price increase after they are purchased their value will remain the original purchase price for upgrade purposes."

He's been really clear about this for years {correction: since June 2012} - tickets purchased directly from Disney (but not as part of a package or from the Disney Store) are not eligible for price bridging. That's what post #22 on the ticket sticky says, and it has said it for a long, long time. {correction: the sticky has only said it since June 2013}

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Don
 


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