New Security Measures At The Parks

[Billinaz]

Life must be so rough for you to feel the need to carry a gun with you everywhere. I have relatives that are retired police. They never carried off duty. In fact my bil never even brought his gun home. Never felt the need to have it. I trust the police and military so much to do their jobs that I don't feel the need to try and do it for the .

I don't know if you live outside the USA but that is exactly the opposite of what happens here.

 

[Jennasis]

Apparently you are another one of these people making up statistics.

"so infinitesimal"

If that were the case, why would the federal government recognize the need and pass an amendment to the US Code just for this purpose?

"he/she is going to follow you and corner you?"


That is exactly one thing that happens when those intent on evil decide to target you.

Infinitesimal that an armed shooter is going to arrive at Disney World at rope drop and open fired on the gathered crowds, then stalk those who run away, follow one to a hiding spot and shoot him/her? IMO, Yes.

I could be wrong. I haven't googled the stats of how many times that scenario has happened before at WDW. Perhaps it has happened more than I'm aware of. That's terrible sad then.

 

[Daisytiff]

I will agree to disagree.

I think banning toy guns is a good idea so it can help law enforcement do their jobs. Judge police officers all you want, they are human and some guns tend to look real, especially at night. Also, one can do things to make a real gun look fake. Banning all guns just makes it easier.

Banning Halloween costumes makes it easier to spot certain people, and can help prevent people from hiding things in bulky costumes.

Metal detectors could possibly help prevent someone from a weapon or something else from entering the park. It may also deter them so they can go somewhere else that may be easier, without detectors. I agree though that everyone should go through them.

Yes, they could just easily attack people at the Gates but I would prefer that then some enclosed area, and I also think there are probably more concealed armed security by the gates.

I think that all of these things are helpful. Because they are also in conjunction with the more important security that disney has that we don't even know about, like undercover armed security, and probably many other things. They also have the bomb sniffing dogs from what I've heard.

I think all of these things combined are definitely helpful, but I will agree to disagree.

 

[luvthemouse71]

They have been targeted. Just didn't (thankfully) get carried out.

OMG, really? Was this recently?

 

[Billinaz]

Infinitesimal that an armed shooter is going to arrive at Disney World at rope drop and open fired on the gathered crowds, then stalk those who run away, follow one to a hiding spot and shoot him/her? IMO, Yes.

I could be wrong. I haven't googled the stats of how many times that scenario has happened before at WDW. Perhaps it has happened more than I'm aware of. That's terrible sad then.

IF a shooter is at WDW and targets an individual, they will follow them. Take a look at the response for 'active shooter'.

 

[Gracie09]

I don't know if you live outside the USA but that is exactly the opposite of what happens here.

No he was nypd. I've lived in the us most of my life.

 

[Billinaz]

OMG, really? Was this recently?

Not recently, but it is a good soft target from the terrorist point of view.......


http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/wdw-named-a-terrorist-attack-site.9311/

(this one has many of the same discussion about security at WDW as in this thread)

Others

http://www.sptimes.com/News/101301/Worldandnation/Reports__Terrorists_c.shtml

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/walt-disney-world-high-on-the-list-for-terrorists/

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/03...ctic-al-qaida-could-target-disney-world-55683

http://www.themeparkinsider.com/news/response.cfm?ID=240

 

[Billinaz]

No he was nypd. I've lived in the us most of my life.

As someone who grew up in NYC and LI, I can tell you that things have changed quite a bit.

Active and retired police officers routinely carry a weapon off duty these days. If you want to know more feel free to PM me.

 

[Gracie09]

As someone who grew up in NYC and LI, I can tell you that things have changed quite a bit.

Active and retired police officers routinely carry a weapon off duty these days. If you want to know more feel free to PM me.

He retired less than 5 years ago due to injury on duty. So fairly recent.
Routinely doesn't mean required. He never carried off duty and never brought his weapon home. He did not and does not own any other fire arm

 

[Billinaz]

He retired less than 5 years ago due to injury on duty. So fairly recent.
Routinely doesn't mean required. He never carried off duty and never brought his weapon home. He did not and does not own any other fire arm

I can tell you he is the exception and not the usual of officers today. All I can say is that NYC and NYPD are not representative of the country as a whole. I don't want to be more specific in public.

Not a single NYC officer I have met (many in my line of work) does not carry a weapon routinely off duty.

I tried to send you a PM but could not.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

Im glad to hear you wouldn't shoot first. The likelihood of the scenario you propose as reason to want to carry a gun for your safety and families safety is so infinitesimal...perhaps even more than any of the reasons FOR the added security.

You're suggesting, you want to carry a gun into Disney world because an armed attacker may attack a large group somewhere in the park and that despite running and hiding, he/she is going to follow you and corner you?

Wow.

I bet it happens more often than a CCP holder turning it into an OK corral style shoot out as some seem to fear.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

And I'd like to see people stop acting like they are being infringed upon and acting like this is going to completely kill their vacation.. news flash.. it's not.

Has anyone carrying a CCW into the parks ruined your vacation thus far?

 

[Jennasis]

I bet it happens more often than a CCP holder turning it into an OK corral style shoot out as some seem to fear.

We disagree on this subject fundamentally (full disclosure, I am a gun owner), but let me just conclude by saying I hope to God we never find out either way.

Peace be with you and yours this Christmas!

 

[Billinaz]

Has anyone carrying a CCW into the parks ruined your vacation thus far?

Done correctly, nobody ever knew.

 

[DVCPAT]

I have had just this discussion with some of the execs there.

They are taking it seriously, but the bag checks and couple of WTMDs are just that, useless.

When you spoke with Disney, how did they respond when you told them metal detectors are a waste of time? Do you know if they are basic metal detectors or scanners capable of much more? I would guess they aren’t simple metal detectors, possibly having sensors that look for specific dangerous residue.


It looks like China is on terrorist alert with the rest of US and Europe. It wasn’t long ago when people laughed at the terrorist’s first attempt to bring down the NY twin towers with a van bomb. I’m glad to see Disney be proactive , I would bet they have good reason to spend extra money.

 

[SensesFailed]

Has anyone carrying a CCW into the parks ruined your vacation thus far?

Not a vacation, but it ruined a day at some point because people think they are above the rights of a business owner.

EDIT: And let me say this right now, I'm a gun owner. I have a few a decent collection and a concealed carry permit to go along with them. I also don't make a bigger deal over stuff that really doesn't need to be made a huge deal of.

Plenty of people have said that this really isn't that big of an effect and there are people who apparently aren't listening acting like it's going to kill their vacation. If a business doesn't want me to have my weapon on me, it stays home. It's not that big of a deal.

 

[Billinaz]

When you spoke with Disney, how did they respond when you told them metal detectors are a waste of time? Do you know if they are basic metal detectors or scanners capable of much more? I would guess they aren’t simple metal detectors, possibly having sensors that look for specific dangerous residue.


It looks like China is on terrorist alert with the rest of US and Europe. It wasn’t long ago when people laughed at the terrorist’s first attempt to bring down the NY twin towers with a van bomb. I’m glad to see Disney be proactive , I would bet they have good reason to spend extra money.

As for what type of detectors they have, it is a simple WTMD (walk thru metal detector). They aren't permanent structures, just portable metal detectors put in a certain spot.

My specific discussion was about the theater of the bag checks. We talked about the futile effort of quickly looking into a bag when everybody knew they were doing it and could just as easily conceal a weapon or explosive on their body. I have personally observed a female wearing a hijab rob a bank saying there was a suicide vest underneath. Do you think Disney is going to ever search anyone wearing a hijab? The answer is no, because they fear the media and cultural backlash. I for one think its entirely necessary to check them 100%. Of course the Disney people were not going to say anything about it, but thanked me for my information (and nothing has changed... so even though they know their security isn't working, it has not really improved}

Unfortunately in the USA we have too many cultural and religious issues to overlook in the name of political correctness.

You want security? Take a hint from the one place that takes security seriously. El AL (Israeli airline). They use methods to stop a hijack before it happens. Notice there has not been an El Al airliner hijacked in a very long time?

But unfortunately their "commonsense" method would never be implemented in the USA.

I have to disagree with Disney being proactive. It is still "theater" or "window dressing" designed to give the appearance of security.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

We disagree on this subject fundamentally (full disclosure, I am a gun owner), but let me just conclude by saying I hope to God we never find out either way.

Peace be with you and yours this Christmas!

Merry Christmas to you as well.

 

[DVCPAT]

As for what type of detectors they have, it is a simple WTMD (walk thru metal detector). They aren't permanent structures, just portable metal detectors put in a certain spot.

My specific discussion was about the theater of the bag checks. We talked about the futile effort of quickly looking into a bag when everybody knew they were doing it and could just as easily conceal a weapon or explosive on their body. I have personally observed a female wearing a hijab rob a bank saying there was a suicide vest underneath. Do you think Disney is going to ever search anyone wearing a hijab? The answer is no, because they fear the media and cultural backlash. I for one think its entirely necessary to check them 100%. Of course the Disney people were not going to say anything about it, but thanked me for my information (and nothing has changed... so even though they know their security isn't working, it has not really improved}

Unfortunately in the USA we have too many cultural and religious issues to overlook in the name of political correctness.

You want security? Take a hint from the one place that takes security seriously. El AL (Israeli airline). They use methods to stop a hijack before it happens. Notice there has not been an El Al airliner hijacked in a very long time?

But unfortunately their "commonsense" method would never be implemented in the USA.

I have to disagree with Disney being proactive. It is still "theater" or "window dressing" designed to give the appearance of security.

Your take puts Disney is in a no win situation. When they implement bag checks and enhance point of entry security, Disney is window dressing because it’s visible and can be avoided. If they remove bag checks and proactive measures, they leave visible holes that can be exploited.

I agree, Israel has the best security. I would bet they also search every bag and have passengers walk through scanners that can detect metal, bomb residue and every other dangerous substance known to measure. If security is a top priority, you get the best technology available. Disney has a decent budget so I would bet the portable detector has a few more bells and whistles. Disney can’t interview you for 20 minutes like EL AL.

I really don’t think Disney likes to window dress security. I watched Disney handle an unattended bag in Animal Kingdom Lodge. They had a security person stand next to the package until a K9 and its handler appeared out of a side door. The K9 sniffed the bag for approx 10 seconds (no bark) and the CM picked up the bag and 20 seconds all three were gone. I looked around and nobody standing/sitting in the lobby noticed!

The last thing Disney wants to do is portray reality. For Disney security to go to visible measures, I believe a credible threat exists. The next time you enter MK and place your magic band on the sensor, look directly up at the camera dome and count the number of optic lenses. Each camera dome has (5) lenses. If Disney wanted to window dress, they would place one optic lens in each dome and multiply the security camera “window dressing” by five. Disney doesn’t do that because they want covert security.

 

[tvsdisney]

Indeed.

And if there was a successful attack against a Disney park, people would be up in arms saying Disney didn't enact ENOUGH safety measures. You can't win.

Yea amen to this!! We just got back and my autistic son did notice the metal detectors and we wondered who they were for and why they were there. However I was happy to see the added protection given the most recent attacks. We did see an increase in the amount of women we saw with their faces fully covered. I always made a point to smile and be kind if we saw them or anyone of any faith color for that matter.

I will say that protection needs to go beyond just the parks. I am keenly aware of my surroundings at all times and we were on the monorail with a gentleman who was young, middle eastern, had an earpeice in and was carrying a young girls back pack but not traveling with anyone. He wouldn't make eye contact with anyone and I tried to engage him and he wouldn't look at me. I thought it was odd and before I had even read any of this and wondered about security on Disney transportation.

The another day at Mk there was a plane flying overhead writing things. Before I could make out what he was writing my mind did wonder again about our safety. It was like the scene out of the wizard of oz with the witch writing to Dorothy

I bet there have been threats that the general public isn't even aware of and Disney is trying to proactive. We typically have no idea of he day to day threats the us deals
With anyway

All in all I say this to say thank you Disney for keeping my family safe. Please search my bag, pat me down and track the heck out of me trough the parks. I'm not doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide.