New Security Measures At The Parks

[mummabear]

Disney can't discriminate against religions any more than anyone else can.

See I don't think it is discrimination to ban it, If any other person cannot wear a mask or face covering of any sort (Costume Mask, ski mask, KKK hood) because of safety issues then I don't see why it shouldn't apply to everyone.
If I were in an Islamic Country I wouldnt walk around in a bikini, regardless of my beliefs they wouldn't accept that.

 

[DVCPAT]

But where does it end for you? What's your line in the sand, personally? Right now, it's new metal detectors. What if they move up to full body scanners? TSA grope-downs? Strip searches? Body cavity searches? Forcing everyone to walk around the parks naked, wearing/carrying nothing but a Magic ."

To answer your question, if Disney pulled my family out of the MK entrance line and asked us to strip down, do cavity searches walk around the park naked with nothing but our magic bands, I would ask for a refund on my admission ticket and go visit discovery cove or universal.

You seem to exaggerate and go to extremes.. If you don't agree with Disney security, stop funding it with the purchase of an admission ticket.

 

[Planogirl]

I might have missed this but what is the logic behind banning the toy guns from the shops? We were playing with some of the stuff in the Pirates shop just a few days ago and it's weird to think that those toys are somehow bad in some way.

 

[kittyab]

I posted elsewhere that I think the primary reason they're ending costumes is due to bio-metrics and face recognition security management similar to casinos and government security agencies. I believe (hearsay) Disney uses this technology and so adults wearing costumes screw that up.

If this is the real reason for the costume ban, they should also ban, hats, sunglasses, hoodies and rain ponchos. They also hide the face.

What I do know what Disney uses.... there are tracking devices in those magic bands. When my DH & DD rode the Dwarf train, there was a video of them on that ride and they did not scan their bands after the ride. Disney does not need facial recognition software, they know where you are all the time in the parks.

 

[DVCPAT]

I might have missed this but what is the logic behind banning the toy guns from the shops? We were playing with some of the stuff in the Pirates shop just a few days ago and it's weird to think that those toys are somehow bad in some way.

My guess is that one could easily make a real gun look like a toy. It would then be hard to pinpoint the shooter.

 

[Planogirl]

My guess is that one could easily make a real gun look like a toy. It would then be hard to pinpoint the shooter.

They'd have to get past security with that toy gun though and I really hope that they can't.

 

[SparklePixie]

If this is the real reason for the costume ban, they should also ban, hats, sunglasses, hoodies and rain ponchos. They also hide the face.

What I do know what Disney uses.... there are tracking devices in those magic bands. When my DH & DD rode the Dwarf train, there was a video of them on that ride and they did not scan their bands after the ride. Disney does not need facial recognition software, they know where you are all the time in the parks.

No they don't. Magic bands are not a requirement. Off site guests use plastic tickets, unless they choose to purchase a magic band.

 

[Jennasis]

See I don't think it is discrimination to ban it, If any other person cannot wear a mask or face covering of any sort (Costume Mask, ski mask, KKK hood) because of safety issues then I don't see why it shouldn't apply to everyone.
If I were in an Islamic Country I wouldnt walk around in a bikini, regardless of my beliefs they wouldn't accept that.

It is discrimination since it's a religious thing. And our laws are vastly different from many Islamic countries...so what flies here doesn't fly there and vice versa.

 

[DVCPAT]

They'd have to get past security with that toy gun though and I really hope that they can't.

A week ago they could ... Can you imagine trying to distinguish who's shooting using a toy replica in frontier land? It's a scenario that can be avoided.

 

[kittyab]

No they don't. Magic bands are not a requirement. Off site guests use plastic tickets, unless they choose to purchase a magic band.

Not sure but I thought it was strange how there was a video of their train ride when it was not a fast pass nor did he or she scanned period. There is a tracking device in the magic bands.

 

[disneyfan55]

Not sure but I thought it was strange how there was a video of their train ride when it was not a fast pass nor did he or she scanned period. There is a tracking device in the magic bands.

I recall reading in the stores the. Distances for the RFID capabilities in the bands versus the RFID in plastic tickets. It seemed to me it was quite a bit longer for the bands to 'enhance the visit' I personally will not use them. Use the regular ticket and keep in my RFID protected wallet.

 

[SparklePixie]

Not sure but I thought it was strange how there was a video of their train ride when it was not a fast pass nor did he or she scanned period. There is a tracking device in the magic bands.

Yes, you are tracked while wearing the bands. You aren't when using plastic tickets, which many guests still use instead of bands.

 

[MolonLabe]

A week ago they could ... Can you imagine trying to distinguish who's shooting using a toy replica in frontier land? It's a scenario that can be avoided.

I can't imagine anyone with half a brain not figuring that one out.

Get real, there is an active shooter and what? Someone is standing around with musket aiming it? Are you serious? I'm not even kidding, what sort of bizzaro situation are you envisioning where a terrorist is shooting people with a real gun and there is someone holding up a toy and hanging out next to them?

What sort of idiots do you imagine are going to be responding and see that and think, "hey lets shoot the 5 year old?" Again, setting aside how absurd it would be to have the individual hanging out there "aiming" it.

Have you even seen these "replicas" you speak of?

As to the "a week ago you could have". You say that as if it couldn't have happened today, it could have. Even if they put everyone through the detectors.

Anyway, fantasy land is an area in MK, it's not a real place and these fantasies some people are having about toy pop guns or buzz blasters or bubble guns, let alone what would actually happen in an active murderer scenario are so far fetched, they wouldn't even make a B list movie.

These things would be like me telling NASA how to build the next international space station... I shouldn't be telling them anything because I'm clueless about, aside from watching a few movies. No different when it comes to the current security situation and seeing some of the replies in this thread, clueless people having to invent impossible scenarios to justify how something that does nothing to improve safety, somehow makes them feel safer.

 

[MolonLabe]

You are very correct. I can attest to that unintended consequence.

I dont think the masses understand that after enactment of the LEOSA act, they have been surrounded by a lot of active and retired police officers who are carrying their firearms. The reason you dont know it is because the guns remain concealed unless needed. The Supreme Court has ruled that the police do not carry a duty to protect anyone. By the time law enforcement responds to an incident, they likelihood it is over is pretty high. Having the extra trained police officers in the background is a valuable resource. Considering they are only running a random number of people thru the WTMD, dont you think that the bad guys will send many more in armed if that is their intent? You may get one but the other 5 get through.

Exactly. If you have been in a grocery store in any of the 50 States in the USA you HAVE been in a store with people carrying concealed firearms. The irrational fear over this simply doesn't play out in real life. Here are 4 from last week: http://crimeresearch.org/2015/12/fo...guns-to-stop-violent-crimes-in-the-last-week/ Good guys stopping bad guys.

Much like the TSA (who I don't think could catch a cold with their 90% failure rate at detecting weapons) this 'security theater' does nothing but give the uninformed a false sense of security.

I'm sure someone will be demanding a link for that, since it makes them "feel" unsafe now.... For the record the TSA actually a 96% failure rate in detecting weapons.

Yet some how people say taking off your shoes in the airport makes them "safer". No, it doesn't. It only makes you "feel" safer and actually being safer is not the same thing as "feeling" safer.

For those sleeping under a rock, yes, the TSA fails at picking up weapons 96% of the time: http://www.nbcnews.com/business/tra...ove-96-failure-rate-weapons-detection-n401011

 

[dk413]

Yes you are correct knife crime is bad especially in the inner cities - It is a really unfortunate and situation that is leading to quite a few deaths of very young adults every year (the stats for this are in my above quote "In 2012/13, there were 194 victims killed in this way, accounting for around 1 in 3 (35%) of all homicides"). This nearly always a gang issue and is such a sad waste of young lifes- so far no-one has had a good solution for this issue. However, this rarely is a stranger/non gang killing. but still sad

All of this. I lived in London for years and every time you would read about a stabbing it would be gang/drug related. I never felt unsafe living there. Anyway, back on topic, in regards to why Disney is doing this I assume the reason they have taken these precautions is because of the bulletin released last week from the Department of Homeland Security. Whilst it does not specifically mention Disney, it may as well. "Extremists may be encouraged to target public events or places ... directed at particular communities based on perceived religion, ethnicity or nationality" and to expect increased security such as additional restrictions, bag searches and screening technology. Disney is about to host one of the biggest Christian celebrations in the entire US. I think it would be crazy if they didn't follow the DHS's guidelines as a precaution. I would imagine once the holidays have passed they may do away with some of the restrictions, but I'm not really bothered either way. A few extra minutes going through security is not going to ruin my vacation. A terrorist attack on the other hand most definitely will.

 

[mackay_j]

I am beginning to wonder if a lot of those complaining about the screening and then also supporting off duty police and military smuggling in their arms in to parks against the rules,are also in the habit of doing so. Maybe that is the driver- they feel vulnerable without their guns and so are against this new line of detection that may now require them to be left behind- sad really- glad I don't live in a place that makes me feel that way.

 

[pampam]

I'm the first to admit I don't know what I'm talking about. But as I was reading these posts I began to wonder if someone could retrofit a bubble gun or buzz blaster into a weapon? There must be some reason why WDW would make these decisions. It's hurting their bottom like to restrict the sale of these toys, so there must be some logic behind it.

Along the same line, if we saw an adult in a Disney costume use a door into a restricted area we would think nothing of it. Yet it could be disasterous if it was not an authorized person. There are reasons why these decisions are made. I'm not sure what they are, but it's not my business to know.

 

[Magpie]

All of this. I lived in London for years and every time you would read about a stabbing it would be gang/drug related. I never felt unsafe living there. Anyway, back on topic, in regards to why Disney is doing this I assume the reason they have taken these precautions is because of the bulletin released last week from the Department of Homeland Security. Whilst it does not specifically mention Disney, it may as well. "Extremists may be encouraged to target public events or places ... directed at particular communities based on perceived religion, ethnicity or nationality" and to expect increased security such as additional restrictions, bag searches and screening technology. Disney is about to host one of the biggest Christian celebrations in the entire US. I think it would be crazy if they didn't follow the DHS's guidelines as a precaution. I would imagine once the holidays have passed they may do away with some of the restrictions, but I'm not really bothered either way. A few extra minutes going through security is not going to ruin my vacation. A terrorist attack on the other hand most definitely will.

Another thing about knife crime in London...

It's a lot harder to get hit by a stray knife blade.

And good point about the current ongoing holiday celebrations. As others have said, it's a bit early to see how this will play out in the months to come. I also have vague memories of outside food once being banned from Disney parks, but clearly they didn't try to enforce that, if it was was indeed ever a rule and I'm not mis-remembering (or mixing it up with another theme park).

 

[Jennasis]

Since I'm not a security expert as someone pointed out upthread, I won't begin to guess why they banned the toy gun sales. I'll just assume those who know more than I do about the situation and made the decision know more than I do and made a call they felt was in everyone's best interest.

 

[kamik86]

Since I'm not a security expert as someone pointed out upthread, I won't begin to guess why they banned the toy gun sales. I'll just assume those who know more than I do about the situation and made the decision know more than I do and made a call they felt was in everyone's best interest.

See I find this sentiment a bit dangerous. History has shown that those "in charge" or the "experts" don't always have the best interests of the population in mind. I'm very glad people have ask why and questioned the government, corporations, etc.

I feel that there is no way to ever be truly safe from everything and that at some point you need to just live your life and hope your not in the wrong place at the wrong time when one of these bad things happen. Yeah you can completely change how you do everything and reduce the risk, but the risk is already statistically so small is it really worth it?