New rumor?

[Peter Pirate]

Wanders???

 

[TiggerFreak]

I'm startin to wander about the both of you.

 

[YoHo]

Starting to?

 

[DancingBear]

But they're like wanders looking for good hops.

There you go. Get Molson as a sponsor, and we got ourselves a theme park ride!

 

[bicker]

Epcot was designed to not have the characters in it on purpose. Putting them in to "Draw the youngsters in" smacks of laziness.

I disagree. Rather, it's a recognition that the original intent no longer sufficiently satisfies enough guests. Being able to acknowledge that something you're doing isn't working, and formulating an approach to address the perceived lack, is a strength.

 

[YoHo]

Since they never made any attempt to work with it's original intent and update the park as planned, you have no basis for your assertion. If they had actually tried and failed that route then you would have a basis on which to make that assertion.
Let living Seas sit and rot essentially unchanged for 20 years and then add Nemo. "Look, everybody wanted characters all along"

Considering how well Disneyland did for most of it's 50 years with character based attractions remaining in Fantasyland, you don't even have historical evidence to back up the claim.

 

[disneyholic family]

we heard about this when we were in WDW in early July...
when we were standing in the world showcase at the halfway point, where there is a nice viewing spot of Future World across the lake, a CM showed us how if a mountain was built in canada it might be able to hide the ugly Soarin building that is now a kind of eyesore in the picture....(a big square unthemed building, fully viewable from that vantage point)...
he said the plan was to design it to hide the ugly building....and he said it would be a water ride.....i don't remember if he said log flume like splash or raft ride like kali....

 

[bicker]

Well, by that logic, no one here has any basis for any assertions. For example, you have no proof that if they had pursued your personal preference that it would have been more successful that what they've done. As it is, I'll believe them before I believe you or me, since its their job, and we're just sitting here typing on computers at each other. The reality is probably that that idealized notion was never as attractive to guests than what they're building now.

 

[mitros]

Perhaps they will revive the original concept of the Rhine River ride in Germany as well. The building is there, and they have used it for storage and show rehersals over the years. But I suppose the thrill ride faction will say it would be too much like El Rio DelTiempo in Mexico, whereas a flume type ride at Canada would be more to the liking of the thrill ride folks. {which I am NOT one of}

 

[Planogirl]

Has World Showcase been failing as it is? I haven't heard that one and the restaurants appear to be doing quite well. Why would Disney be interested in luring children into WS?

 

[patsal]

Has World Showcase been failing as it is? I haven't heard that one and the restaurants appear to be doing quite well. Why would Disney be interested in luring children into WS?

Maybe because along with children come parents and with them the wallet?

 

[YoHo]

Well, by that logic, no one here has any basis for any assertions. For example, you have no proof that if they had pursued your personal preference that it would have been more successful that what they've done. As it is, I'll believe them before I believe you or me, since its their job, and we're just sitting here typing on computers at each other. The reality is probably that that idealized notion was never as attractive to guests than what they're building now.

Actually, my proof is the original construction of EPCOT Center. It was highly successful for how many years unmolested? Clearly the initial concept worked perfectly well. What we don't have is a single shread of evidence that it couldn't work going forward just as we have no proof that the new concept will work better. As far as trusting the Corporation, You'll pardon me if I trust the executives that created this vacation kingdom in the 70s and 80s rather then the sycophants that replaced them. Given what the leading observers think about the corporate governance of current Disney and it's corporate sturcture, I'd have to say my stance has more support then yours.


PlanoGirl, To my knowledge, World Showcase has never had a problem. between the dinning and the shopping they've pulled in plenty of Wallets.

The problem is that Disney corp doesn't get all that money because those resturants are rented.

 

[bicker]

You can call anything you like, "proof," but recognize in doing so you're simply creating a self-defining scenario. You do have the right to put your trust in people who never had to operating in today's highly-competitive environment, if it makes you feel better about objecting to the changes you see happening. You also have the right to distort the nature of the issues of corporate governance to twist them into something that has some relevance to the operational decisions you aren't happy about. However, I think you should consider being confident enough in your own perspectives to admit that the only issue you're raising is that you don't like the changes. I'm sorry you don't like the changes. I do. Nice chatting with you.

 

[1000th happy haunt]

I first heard this rumor more than a year ago. As with all rumors, I'll believe it when it's officially announced.

 

[raidermatt]

I think you should consider being confident enough in your own perspectives to admit that the only issue you're raising is that you don't like the changes. I'm sorry you don't like the changes. I do.

And therein the irrelevancy of your arguments continue to lie. When a point is made to which you have no answer, you, without basis, assign a motivation and dismiss all discussion.

How unfortunate.

 

[bicker]

Whatever. It's been nice chatting with you.

 

[raidermatt]

Right back atcha.

 

[Another Voice]

You do have the right to put your trust in people who never had to operating in today's highly-competitive environment…

Funny, I must have missed the years of milk and honey when business was effortless and even a fool like Walt could make money. Those days, now so long ago, when money flowed like water, where every business was a success and when people would gleefully load up the station wagon and drive the kiddies to WDW without a care in the world.

Too bad we live in such horrible times, the dark and dank evil age where business is cut throat and only the genius of super-powered business consultants stand between us and the collapse of civilization as we know it. Oh, these dark, unruly days.

They had it so easy back then – why are we so cursed????


Of course that was in jest. The business conditions that Disney faced in the 1950’s opening Disneyland, in the 1970’s with WDW and in the 1980’s with EPCOT Center were just as challenging as they are today. Sure the specifics have changed – but the difficulties are the same.

The excuse of “we can’t do that today” is often just the excuse of the lazy. Those people would have failed in 1955 just as they are failing today. It’s the people who can adapt to circumstances, the ones that understand the public and desire to earn loyalty rather than demand it – they are ones that remain successful no matter the era.


EPCOT Center succeeded despite its time because of specific decisions made at the time – decisions guided by a philosophy that were proven to lead to business success. Epcot is failing today despite of its time because of specific decisions made by people more interested in their annual bonuses rather than the long term success of the resort.

 

[bicker]

Are you really suggesting that the business has NOT become substantially more competitive? We'll just have to agree to disagree about that. The very nature of business itself has changed, and just in the last 15 years. Experts from the 1970s and 1980s have no relevance today. Your assumptions in that regard differ so much from what my experience has taught me that we simply have no common foundation on which to discuss the issue.

 

[YoHo]

Good thing Alan Greenspan is retiring. I'd hate for such an important and relevent governmental position with significant relevence to business in these United States be staffed by someone appointed over 15 years ago.
How the man can function at all is beyond my capacity.