New Monorail thoughts

[beer dave]

Divide by 4? You think attendance at the parks is approximately equal? Do you think the track/road to DHS and EPCOT may share a section for part of the trip? Do you think AoA and POP may wind up sharing a track for much of the route?

You realize that for the sake of argument I gave you the 6000 guests all leaving the resort at 8 am. You could at least concede a bit on the park attendance. I know the parks are not equal in attendance, and you know that 6000 people are not at the bus stop at 8 am.

You argued that the pods could move 24 people per hour, and asked for the math to be done. The math has been done. If you asked me to design and plan out the routing and shared sections of track, I would have declined.

 

[Lewisc]

You realize that for the sake of argument I gave you the 6000 guests all leaving the resort at 8 am. You could at least concede a bit on the park attendance. I know the parks are not equal in attendance, and you know that 6000 people are not at the bus stop at 8 am.

You argued that the pods could move 24 people per hour, and asked for the math to be done. The math has been done. If you asked me to design and plan out the routing and shared sections of track, I would have declined.

It would take 4 hours to accommodate every passenger in the resort, if the Heathrow implementation was followed. It would take even longer if pods from other resorts (AoA, CBR) had priority on the track.

Do I think the might work in a resort like OKW and SSR. Sure get guests to a central transportation stop (bus or rail). Take guests to DTD or TL.

Do I think there is any shot DVC owners would be willing to pay their share of the cost. NO. Do I think there is any shot Disney would pay such a system. NO.

 

[manning]

It would take 4 hours to accommodate every passenger in the resort, if the Heathrow implementation was followed. It would take even longer if pods from other resorts (AoA, CBR) had priority on the track.

Do I think the might work in a resort like OKW and SSR. Sure get guests to a central transportation stop (bus or rail). Take guests to DTD or TL.

Do I think there is any shot DVC owners would be willing to pay their share of the cost. NO. Do I think there is any shot Disney would pay such a system. NO.

You keep talking cost and it being too expensive. Things can and do change.

one example and I'm sure there are many more.

Close to 40 years ago I bought a 700 watt microwave oven for a little over $1,100. Last year I bought a 1,000 watt microwave oven for a little over $140, and it has more bells and whistles on it than my first one. You can even get one for under $100.

Because something may cost a lot today doesn't mean it will tomorrow. As new things start out they tend to cost way more, then as production and demand ramp up the cost tend to drift down. Throw in competition and cost comes down even faster.

Will the pod/light rail come to WDW? I think it could. When? I have no idea. It may take awhile coming. The monorail is aging and Disney is hard pressed to find parts. They are hard pressed to find new cars.

Do I think the might work in a resort like OKW and SSR. Sure get guests to a central transportation stop (bus or rail). Take guests to DTD or TL.

Build it there and you could eliminate the bus and boat to DTD. Have the pod run to DTD. Have it run a loop around OKW. It would be faster than taking the boat. Pod travels at 25 MPH. Using GPS on my iphone I clocked the boat at about 6 MPH. You could run it thru SSR.

 

[makeitmagic39]

I agree with all sentiments...


Though Pete is starting to give me that "disgruntled ex-employee who was fired from WOD for having a domestic with his estranged ex who works at Ragland road in the parking lot" kinda creepy vibe...
Nothing a little Prozac can't cure

If we are all EXTREMELY lucky...we'll see one more set if trains...and that I think might even be a longshot.

Disney has gotten comfortable cutting stuff out over the last 10+ years...because there is not one shrivel of backlash.

Everyone just goes with it. Get on the bus, baby!

---BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh lawd, I agree. That guy...ah just not feeling him on this thing. And buses are great! So is walking (when reasonable). Do work people

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

It would take 4 hours to accommodate every passenger in the resort, if the Heathrow implementation was followed. It would take even longer if pods from other resorts (AoA, CBR) had priority on the track.

Do I think the might work in a resort like OKW and SSR. Sure get guests to a central transportation stop (bus or rail). Take guests to DTD or TL.

Do I think there is any shot DVC owners would be willing to pay their share of the cost. NO. Do I think there is any shot Disney would pay such a system. NO.

1. DVC pays their share of any and all transportation systems now, so put that to bed.

2. If and when new systems are added to DVC will be paying their part of that as well, its part of the contracts, so put that to bed.

3. Change will come, in what form we will have to see in time. Guests are not happy with the massive reliance on Buses.

AKK

 

[Lewisc]

1. DVC pays their share of any and all transportation systems now, so put that to bed.

2. If and when new systems are added to DVC will be paying their part of that as well, its part of the contracts, so put that to bed.

3. Change will come, in what form we will have to see in time. Guests are not happy with the massive reliance on Buses.

AKK

1. There are circumstances where a community pays a special assessment/tax/fee in order to obtain "extra" services. A town wants utility cables buried and the utility doesn't want to spread those costs over all rate payers. There are other examples.

2. OKW and SSR are resorts where your pod suggestion might make sense and work. The resorts are spread out. DTD and TL are close enough to be serviced.

3. Do you think the pod idea is so great DVC owners at OKW and SSR would be willing to pay a special assessment in order to finance such a project?

4. You say guests aren't happy with buses. Do you think DVC owners at OKW and SSR are unhappy enough to be willing to pay an assessment? Do you think hotel guests would like to pay a $$$ transportation fee to pay for a new system? Do you think resort guests would prefer new transportation or free dining?

5. Sorry but there isn't enough support or reason to justify spending $$$.

6. Disney is already testing teleportation in the MK.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

1. There are circumstances where a community pays a special assessment/tax/fee in order to obtain "extra" services. A town wants utility cables buried and the utility doesn't want to spread those costs over all rate payers. There are other examples.

2. OKW and SSR are resorts where your pod suggestion might make sense and work. The resorts are spread out. DTD and TL are close enough to be serviced.

3. Do you think the pod idea is so great DVC owners at OKW and SSR would be willing to pay a special assessment in order to finance such a project?

4. You say guests aren't happy with buses. Do you think DVC owners at OKW and SSR are unhappy enough to be willing to pay an assessment? Do you think hotel guests would like to pay a $$$ transportation fee to pay for a new system? Do you think resort guests would prefer new transportation or free dining?

5. Sorry but there isn't enough support or reason to justify spending $$$.

6. Disney is already testing teleportation in the MK.

YES they would be willing to pay their share..........over all of WDW where the system would logically be placed. The prices of the point continue to go up at all of DVC and people continue to buy!

I read this morning that there is some heavy duty tree cutting, some going in strips, over routes that the extensions of the monorail and light rail/pods would go....even lining up with old monorail tower supports.........................We will have to see what will happening.


I will say if they get the teleportation up and running.....add that system too!

 

[Lewisc]

I read this morning that there is some heavy duty tree cutting going in strips over routes that the extensions of the monorail and light rail/pods would go................We will have to see what is happening.

Where did you read this? Do you have a link? or was it just in your dreams.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Where did you read this? Do you have a link? or was it just in your dreams.

www.MAGIC.com

One fellow there has a layout, a really nice plan to expand the Monorail.......HIS own, not Disney, but it shows how cost effectively, efficiently and easy it can be done.

AKK

 

[Lewisc]

www.MAGIC.com

One fellow there has a layout, a really nice plan to expand the Monorail.......HIS own, not Disney, but it shows how cost effectively, efficiently and easy it can be done.

AKK

The link doesn't work. I tried a similar site. I can't find any mention of heavy duty tree cutting going in strips over routes that the extensions of the monorail and light rail/pods would go................We will have to see what is happening.


I think we can assume if monorail expansion would be easy and cost effective Disney would be doing it.

I've read some of those threads. Nothing but Fantasy.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

The link doesn't work. I tried a similar site. I can't find any mention of heavy duty tree cutting going in strips over routes that the extensions of the monorail and light rail/pods would go................We will have to see what is happening.


I think we can assume if monorail expansion would be easy and cost effective Disney would be doing it.

I've read some of those threads. Nothing but Fantasy.

If you look at the photos you can see the pattern of the cutting. It may not be happening now, but it is all being tied together.

but that's ok...I gave up trying to get you to see the possibilities..................you are entitled to your opinion and say *NO NO NO NO* to everything.


We will have to agree to disagree!


What's the subject of the next debate?


AKK

 

[manning]

There are times when doing something today is not cost effective but for some reason in the future they become cost effective. That's a good reason to keep an open mind. Same with electric cars. It's not they will never work. We just haven't figured out how to build them to replace the gasoline engine.....yet.

I can hear the debate in the late 1800s early 1900s. Those new fangle horseless buggies will never amount to anything and it is impossible to fly. Hmmm.

Like grandma used to say "Never say never."

We just don't know when it will happen.

 

[Rumors Rocks]

1987 Archive Article:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...100320086_1_monorail-walt-disney-disney-world

Walt Disney World Orders 12 New Monorails
January 27, 1987|By Vicki Vaughan of The Sentinel Staff
In its largest single order for equipment, Walt Disney World has purchased 12 six-car monorail trains for $43 million from the U.S. subsidiary of a Canadian manufacturer.

Disney is buying the trains -- 72 cars in all -- from Transportation Group Inc., the U.S. subsidiary of Bombardier of Canada, a major manufacturer of transportation systems.

The attraction wants the new system to increase the capacity on its 14.7- mile monorail system, which carries about 150,000 tourists a day, Disney World spokesman Bob Mervine said.

The new trains will be able to handle as many as 9,000 people an hour, he said. The 15-year-old monorail now can carry a maximum of 7,000 people an hour.

''It's time for the old cars to be replaced,'' Mervine said.

TGI won the contract in an international competition with Japanese and European manufacturers. The monorail trains will be built at Bombardier's plants in Vermont and Quebec, Canada.

Gary Hallman, TGI's associate vice president of marketing, said that Disney will take delivery of the trains beginning in the spring of 1989. All of the trains are to be in operation by late 1989.

The new cars will feature automatic sliding doors, fold-down seats for use in peak periods and room for riders to stand, Hallman said.

''It's a kind of urbanized monorail,'' he said.

But when the new cars begin to replace the old at Disney, visitors probably will not be able to tell the difference from the outside. ''We liked the cars' (exterior) design, and when it isn't broken, you don't fix it,'' Hallman said. Disney's contract with TGI also provides an option to buy additional monorail trains, which could be needed as it continues the development of its 43-square-mile property in Central Florida.

However, no expansion of the monorail track is planned for now, Mervine said. Disney has decided not to extend the monorail to its $300 million movie studio and tour, which is slated for completion next year.

The rubber-tired monorail, which moves on a 26-inch rail sup-

ported by concrete columns, links Disney's two parks, The Magic Kingdom and Epcot Center. It also passes through Disney's Contemporary Resort hotel. When Disney's 900-room Grand Floridian hotel is completed in 1988, the monorail will stop there, too.

Disney World, the world's No. 1 tourist attraction, estimates that about 1 billion passengers have used the monorail system since the theme park opened 15 years ago. No other theme park has such as system.

The resort charges monorail riders $2 apiece except for visitors who have purchased a multiple-day pass. With a pass, the ride is free.

Good times. It's kind of fun to do the "impossible." -Walt Disney

There are times when doing something today is not cost effective but for some reason in the future they become cost effective. That's a good reason to keep an open mind. Same with electric cars. It's not they will never work. We just haven't figured out how to build them to replace the gasoline engine.....yet.

I can hear the debate in the late 1800s early 1900s. Those new fangle horseless buggies will never amount to anything and it is impossible to fly. Hmmm.

Like grandma used to say "Never say never."

We just don't know when it will happen.