New Monorail thoughts

[lockedoutlogic]

Darn, now we can forget about the pods.

 

[Lewisc]

I don't think you understand some of the system...pods have tested up to 12 people and why only 6 trip per hour???....you can easily send more then 1 pod at a time, as many as spacing along the track permits....so capacity is way above your 24 per hour.....thousands on a big enough system within WDW.


This was indeed as you mentioned meant to supplement the other modes of transportation, not replace any.

There would always be some buses, especially as you pointed out around opening and closing. The pods would be very effective to and from resorts, WDW, water parks and parks off perk or during perks with other systems working as well.


AKK

I do understand. The Heathrow pods are for up to 4 passengers. I'm assuming the average Disney passenger will be going a longer distance then the average Heathrow pod passenger. I'm figuring 10 minutes, including the time to load the pod. That means a pod can do 6 trips an hour. Do the math. How may pods will Disney need? Probably far more then tracks will allow.

Pods might work if Disney wanted to offer that kind of service to guests in spread out resorts like SSR, but only internal transportation and maybe DTD and TL. Do you think DVC owners would favor a special assessment to cover the capital costs of such a system?



http://mediacentre.heathrowairport....s-transport-passengers-to-the-future-1a4.aspx

Disney is waiting for teleportation. Skip any intermediate step.

 

[manning]

I think you are more likely(of all the unlikely scenarios) to see dedicated roadways/lanes for the current bus fleet.
Less costly to construct. More versatile. Easier to do accomplish in phases. Easier to tear up in the case of re-purposing of real estate.


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Instead of building dedicated roadways for buses build dedicated roadways for pods. They run on the same type of surface. Not on rails, but on a road. These roadways will need curbing and this is why. The pods have laser sensors on their sides. The laser bounces a beam off the curbing and is constantly measuring the position of the pod from the curbs.

One advantage of having the system at ground level the vast majority of the time is when a pod breaks down it can be routed to a ground level spur. Maintenance then can send a truck to pick it up and return it to the shop keeping it out of the pod traffic pattern. Also makes it easier to off load passengers from that pod.

 

[Maleficent Dragon]

Sorry, but it will never happen. The cost alone would make it a poor choice for Disney as it would never recoup the cost.

 

[manning]

Sorry, but it will never happen. The cost alone would make it a poor choice for Disney as it would never recoup the cost.

Who knows, it was once said man would never fly.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I do understand. The Heathrow pods are for up to 4 passengers. I'm assuming the average Disney passenger will be going a longer distance then the average Heathrow pod passenger. I'm figuring 10 minutes, including the time to load the pod. That means a pod can do 6 trips an hour. Do the math. How may pods will Disney need? Probably far more then tracks will allow.

Pods might work if Disney wanted to offer that kind of service to guests in spread out resorts like SSR, but only internal transportation and maybe DTD and TL. Do you think DVC owners would favor a special assessment to cover the capital costs of such a system?



http://mediacentre.heathrowairport....s-transport-passengers-to-the-future-1a4.aspx

Disney is waiting for teleportation. Skip any intermediate step.

No you don't understand.that is one system, and if you think one of the top 5 busiest airports in the world uses a system with a capacity of 24 per hour.........your really off base.

There are many types of pod and light rail...........varying in capacity and suitable uses. Many of which are set up to suit a project like WDW.......


AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Sorry, but it will never happen. The cost alone would make it a poor choice for Disney as it would never recoup the cost.

Not necessarily, just the savings in labor costs only would be a big one.

Add to that the flexibly of a pods and the ability to move and add or change the rails/channels, make long use vs costs very attractive.

Lastly, like the Monorail is a big crowd draw (even to these days), a state of the art pod or light rail would do the same.

AKK

 

[beer dave]

I do understand. The Heathrow pods are for up to 4 passengers. I'm assuming the average Disney passenger will be going a longer distance then the average Heathrow pod passenger. I'm figuring 10 minutes, including the time to load the pod. That means a pod can do 6 trips an hour. Do the math. How may pods will Disney need? Probably far more then tracks will allow.

Here is the math--

If the track is 6 miles one way, and the pods are spaced 100 yards apart, there are about 210 pods on the track, 105 going and 105 returning. assuming a 15 minute one way trip, with 4 people per car, the system will deliver 420 people each direction in 15 minutes. Thats 1680 per hour.

I don't pretend to know anything about light rail capabilities or track capacity or anything of the sort. The math is correct.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Here is the math--

If the track is 6 miles one way, and the pods are spaced 100 yards apart, there are about 210 pods on the track, 105 going and 105 returning. assuming a 15 minute one way trip, with 4 people per car, the system will deliver 420 people each direction in 15 minutes. Thats 1680 per hour.

I don't pretend to know anything about light rail capabilities or track capacity or anything of the sort. The math is correct.

You are indeed totally correct in the math. I would add that some manufacturers have pods up to 12 people and the distance between the pods could be less than a 100 yards, as they do only a max of 25 mph.

This would greatly increase the capacity.

AKK

 

[Lewisc]

No you don't understand.that is one system, and if you think one of the top 5 busiest airports in the world uses a system with a capacity of 24 per hour.........your really off base.

There are many types of pod and light rail...........varying in capacity and suitable uses. Many of which are set up to suit a project like WDW.......


AKK

You'd understand better if you took the time to read what I wrote. The total track at LHR is under 4 miles. What's the average trip? Maye half that? Disney distances will be longer which means a reduced capacity.

Here is the math--

If the track is 6 miles one way, and the pods are spaced 100 yards apart, there are about 210 pods on the track, 105 going and 105 returning. assuming a 15 minute one way trip, with 4 people per car, the system will deliver 420 people each direction in 15 minutes. Thats 1680 per hour.

I don't pretend to know anything about light rail capabilities or track capacity or anything of the sort. The math is correct.

POP has 2,880 rooms. I'd think the average number of guests per room would have to be more then 2. How many families have 3 or 4 kids in a room vs how many rooms are occupied by one guest. You have over 6000 guests with a pod system which can accommodate 1680 per hour. You say the math is correct. You think this will work?

There is very little motivation to spend $$$$ on a pod based system if it's not going to be replacing the current system. A lot of money for a system which will basically improve off peak transportation.

 

[beer dave]

You'd understand better if you took the time to read what I wrote. The total track at LHR is under 4 miles. What's the average trip? Maye half that? Disney distances will be longer which means a reduced capacity.



POP has 2,880 rooms. I'd think the average number of guests per room would have to be more then 2. How many families have 3 or 4 kids in a room vs how many rooms are occupied by one guest. You have over 6000 guests with a pod system which can accommodate 1680 per hour. You say the math is correct. You think this will work?

There is very little motivation to spend $$$$ on a pod based system if it's not going to be replacing the current system. A lot of money for a system which will basically improve off peak transportation.

First off, we have changed quite alot from the 24 per hour.

In a perfect world, not considering the cost--
There are 4 parks. 6000 divided by 4 is 1500. If everyone gets to the pod launch at 8 am, they will all be in a park by rope dop.

 

[Lewisc]

First off, we have changed quite alot from the 24 per hour.

In a perfect world, not considering the cost--
There are 4 parks. 6000 divided by 4 is 1500. If everyone gets to the pod launch at 8 am, they will all be in a park by rope dop.

You still don't understand 24 per hour was my estimate of the capacity of a single pod car. 4 people per pod with an average trip time of 10 minutes, including time spent loading.

Divide by 4? You think attendance at the parks is approximately equal? Do you think the track/road to DHS and EPCOT may share a section for part of the trip? Do you think AoA and POP may wind up sharing a track for much of the route?

Pod could work if Disney wanted to spend $$$ and use pods as a way to transport guests to central light rail/monorail stations. Maybe one station for POP,AoA and CSR for example. That's a lot of money.

A cast member who claimed to have seen some of the studies, I know maybe only a little be more accurate then a bus driver , said one issue was to which resorts would get light rail. The economics might support a light rail station at the value resorts but not at deluxe resorts. Disney would have a hard sell if POP and AoA had some kind of rail service to the parks and WL stayed with bus service.

 

[manning]

No you don't understand.that is one system, and if you think one of the top 5 busiest airports in the world uses a system with a capacity of 24 per hour.........your really off base.

There are many types of pod and light rail...........varying in capacity and suitable uses. Many of which are set up to suit a project like WDW.......


AKK

I've read that Heathrow is in the process of expanding the system to two more terminals.

 

[eadavis]

None of you understand I like turtles...

 

[manning]

You are indeed totally correct in the math. I would add that some manufacturers have pods up to 12 people and the distance between the pods could be less than a 100 yards, as they do only a max of 25 mph.

This would greatly increase the capacity.

AKK

I saw a video showing one system where pods where coupled together. This could be done for peak periods.

 

[beer dave]

like a clam mobile! lol

 

[manning]

like a clam mobile! lol

Didn't Disney have a ride with clam shaped cars?

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I saw a video showing one system where pods where coupled together. This could be done for peak periods.

It would not surprise me at all..........like I mentioned I was one system wit12 people pods and as you pointed out the capacity can be very large indeed.

It could be a great addition to the systems now in place, easily carrying thousands during the day, going to many destinations.


I can see the costs justified by the draw of more guests, the flexibility of the system and the reduction of buses/labor.



AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Didn't Disney have a ride with clam shaped cars?

Still do in Epcot..........the old living Seas........now finding Nemo I believe*

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

You still don't understand 24 per hour was my estimate of the capacity of a single pod car. 4 people per pod with an average trip time of 10 minutes, including time spent loading.

Divide by 4? You think attendance at the parks is approximately equal? Do you think the track/road to DHS and EPCOT may share a section for part of the trip? Do you think AoA and POP may wind up sharing a track for much of the route?

Pod could work if Disney wanted to spend $$$ and use pods as a way to transport guests to central light rail/monorail stations. Maybe one station for POP,AoA and CSR for example. That's a lot of money.

A cast member who claimed to have seen some of the studies, I know maybe only a little be more accurate then a bus driver , said one issue was to which resorts would get light rail. The economics might support a light rail station at the value resorts but not at deluxe resorts. Disney would have a hard sell if POP and AoA had some kind of rail service to the parks and WL stayed with bus service.

Your still not paying attention

No single system covers all the park attendance!...this is one extra, flexible system with the possibility of thousand per day....There are many designs and many systems and layouts.
AKK