New incentives?

[TinkB278]

Does anyone think Disney realizes (or cares) how many dvc members and new sales they might lose if they do away with the AP? I would hope they would realize how much it would devalue the product but it seems like they don’t, or they just don’t care

 

[DduzDis]

Does anyone think Disney realizes (or cares) how many dvc members and new sales they might lose if they do away with the AP? I would hope they would realize how much it would devalue the product but it seems like they don’t, or they just don’t care

Sadly, with no other indication from them we are left to think they simply don't care (or worse....they actually want it).

 

[Tech4444]

Does anyone think Disney realizes (or cares) how many dvc members and new sales they might lose if they do away with the AP? I would hope they would realize how much it would devalue the product but it seems like they don’t, or they just don’t care

I wonder what the % of DVC members that go more then once a year. I feel most DVC owners are a go once a year with that family type owner, where buying AP doesn't make sense. If that's the case, then they are not worried about upsetting 5% of a population.

 

[DduzDis]

I wonder what the % of DVC members that go more then once a year. I feel most DVC owners are a go once a year with that family type owner, where buying AP doesn't make sense. If that's the case, then they are not worried about upsetting 5% of a population.

That's a good question. I have to imagine it is more than 5%, but we don't know. We go more than once per year because we have APs. If they go away or become unaffordable, it would likely cause us to go much less or do more outside of the parks.

 

[OnThisMagicNight]

I should not have done this, but I couldn't help myself - we would have saved $2,600 if we had waited to purchase VGF until this month (we purchased in April.) Ughhhh..... It's really hard not to be upset about it!

 

[Tech4444]

That's a good question. I have to imagine it is more than 5%, but we don't know. We go more than once per year because we have APs. If they go away or become unaffordable, it would likely cause us to go much less or do more outside of the parks.

We are a once a year type family not because of the park passes. Between flights and $12 beers we just cant make it work haha.

 

[Azndjdude]

Does anyone think Disney realizes (or cares) how many dvc members and new sales they might lose if they do away with the AP? I would hope they would realize how much it would devalue the product but it seems like they don’t, or they just don’t care

Definitely a once a year or once every other year because of distance and flight costs. However, knowing that if I had an annual pass and that cost would essentially be fixed throughout the year no matter how many times I go may sway the cost of returning more often than once a year. Some of these one time use passes make break-even fairly quickly after a week or two at the parks.

 

[RoseGold]

I wonder what the % of DVC members that go more then once a year. I feel most DVC owners are a go once a year with that family type owner, where buying AP doesn't make sense. If that's the case, then they are not worried about upsetting 5% of a population.

DVC is just collateral damage in bigger discussions about what they doing with ticketing. Disney has made a lot of decisions that aren’t in the interests of DVC owners IMO, but this one would be the end of the road for me.

 

[TinkB278]

We go 2-3 times per year but will have to cut back to 1 if no APs. More dvc points don’t make sense for us if we only take one trip per year.

 

[UofMGuy423]

My daughter starts the college program on July 11th, but a DVC rep told me to wait to contact my sales guide until she officially starts. Not sure that 2 day gap there will be enough time to get these incentives and her discount. Was only going to add 50, but I'll do 100 with the add-on incentives. Guess I'll find out next month!

 

[Tech4444]

To be fair they haven't said AP is gone, they are just changing the name/functions and mostly likely charging a little more. No different then the gallon of milk at the grocery store. If this is what makes you sell DVC then you were most likely on the fence about keeping DVC to begin with. Cant put a price on family memories

 

[aka Charles]

We go 3-4 times per year now. Sometimes for a week, sometimes for a weekend. Coming down for things like Moonlight Magic, Mickie’s not so scary party, etc. I have wdw park tickets for our trip later this month, but after that we will just go to the special events at wdw and use our Universal AP for any other days we are there until we can get a wdw AP.

 

[Sandisw]

With these new incentives would you rather have 150 direct points at Riv/GFV or 200 points resale at AKV? Still trying to get my first DVC contract and these are my frontrunners.

I vote for the direct ones as I think the benefits to use at all resorts is worth it.

 

[Sparky984]

Have to say I am getting closer to that boat. I am glad when I bought I did so when RIV was at $155 and I got a good deal on BWV a few years back (sold 2 other BWV contracts to buy RIV).

In the end I should come out even after counting the time/savings I got on APs and stays.

The pandemic gave us money to spend since there were no vacations that year. We got in on a resale BRV and direct RIV. Then bag delivery was removed forever, DME, park reservations, price hikes, photo pass, etc. If I hated DVC or Disney World, I’d sell, if I disliked it, I’d rent for a bit and see if things changed. However I’m now a meddling interest person for the value proposition. I never saw that coming. No more APs could really be a swing. We could already sell BRV for a profit. We split RIV into 100 for blue card and the rest on another contract so we could keep perks on fewer points. It would be real easy to pare down and even a modest hit on our smaller RIV contract, I think our stays, AP savings and BRV profit would make us even, or close enough.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

There's a reasonably credible rumor out there that AP Renewals will be stopped in July and the entire annual pass program revamped. So no more Pixie, Sorcerer or Incred-Pass for anyone.

If nothing decent for DVC Members is rolled out, I wonder if the incentives will have to get even better. I'm beginning to regret our VGF purchase, but will wait for official news before I do anything.

If they dissolve the AP I will sell most of my dvc points. Not worth it without my AP.

 

[Brian Noble]

Does anyone think Disney realizes (or cares) how many dvc members and new sales they might lose if they do away with the AP?

A couple of thoughts.

First, DVC is probably pretty far down the list of things to worry about when it comes to annual passes. The most important is probably managing attendance and per-capita spending at the resort. That doesn't mean DVC isn't important at all, but it's not going to be the reason that APs are/are not offered, nor will it dictate the form and shape of any bulk-admission program or discount. So, "Disney" (the company) probably does not care very much about how APs do or do not impact DVC sales relative to other things they care about when it comes to APs.

Second, DVD (the developer) doesn't really care if they lose any particular potential member of the buyers' market. The only thing that really matters is whether or not the monthly sales volume falls within some window that they have in mind for that month. The existence of some bulk-admission product (and a slight "deal" on it) certainly contributes some to the overall flow, but in the grand scheme of things, it is probably not that big. A good sales staff can work around its absence, possibly with some other perk taking its place.

That's because timeshare is sold, not bought. It is the sales staff's job to construct a "story" for the prospective buyer that feels like something they want. In the past, that story has (for example) included putting pairs of "annual" trips in the same calendar year to take advantage of the "deal" on annual passes. Without APs, there will just be some other story.

 

[sndral]

DVC news has summaries of the new incentives for both current & new members here https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program/fin...ing-improves-via-early-summer-2022-incentives

 

[RamblinWreck]

I wonder what the % of DVC members that go more then once a year. I feel most DVC owners are a go once a year with that family type owner, where buying AP doesn't make sense. If that's the case, then they are not worried about upsetting 5% of a population.

If you go once a year, you should always be using AP's.

Then you only have to buy tickets once every 2 years.

 

[wnielsen1]

If you go once a year, you should always be using AP's.

Then you only have to buy tickets once every 2 years.

As long as you can fit those 2 trips within a 365 day window, which is not always the case. I just can't "go a week earlier" next year.

 

[RoseGold]

That's because timeshare is sold, not bought.

But DVC is unique in that it is competing with itself. If no APs drive down resale prices, which I think we are already seeing the start of, it's even harder to justify five figures on a timeshare.

I would not have even considered DVC without APs. There have got to be plenty of people at that pitch with that exact question.