Never Again With Relatives!!

I'm sure the family next to you did hear her. If you said they were wll behaved kids......you didn't say the age.....but my kids from about age 3 or 4 know how to behave, and more importantly, recognize improper behavior at restaurants.

The last 2 days sound a bit better......or should I say at least no worse. I wonder .....why did you bother? I understand they are family and all.....but after the 2nd days of it, I think I would have told them to can it. There is some people you just can't reach.
 
Okay, coffee in hand and waiting patiently for Day 9....and really can you say multiple personalities :crazy2: :dance3:....If I didn't know better I would swear you went with my sister.....I feel your pain. Here you need this,:hug: I know I need one and I have only been reading it not living it.
 
I'm sure the family next to you did hear her. If you said they were wll behaved kids......you didn't say the age.....but my kids from about age 3 or 4 know how to behave, and more importantly, recognize improper behavior at restaurants.

The last 2 days sound a bit better......or should I say at least no worse. I wonder .....why did you bother? I understand they are family and all.....but after the 2nd days of it, I think I would have told them to can it. There is some people you just can't reach.

Oh, I know that the people near us actually did notice. At that point I just wanted to engage in wishful thinking. I was in utter shock. M had spent entire summers with us as a child, and had always behaved extremely well in restaurants. I had absolutely no clue that she had deteriorated so badly, or I never would have imposed her on everyone else. Since she's not a child though, once we were in the situation, I had no idea how to get out of it.

Honestly, there were a couple of reasons that we kept trying. One is that M had an absolute fountain of banked goodwill with both of us. She was a sister to me and a second daughter to my parents when we were both kids. She was an absolutely wonderful child--sweet and loving and kind and considerate, and extremely well-behaved. So all of this took us completely by surprise, and we kept thinking we would get to the bottom of it and get M back.

The other reason was more selfish. For eight months, I had a paid, nonrefundable reservation for an Amazing Birthday Race for my dad through Gifts of a Lifetime. When the trip was postponed with less than a week's notice, they very graciously allowed us to postpone the Race without paying a change fee. For the final gift, M and I had split the cost on a Horizons Engineering Manual from MouseSurplus. It was the perfect present for my father, a retired Dept of Defense engineer. But M had ordered it and had it delivered to her house, and brought it with her from TN. It was hidden away in her luggage. So I was determined to keep everybody together until we could do the Birthday Race and give Dad the present.
 

Oh, I know that the people near us actually did notice. At that point I just wanted to engage in wishful thinking. I was in utter shock. Monica had spent entire summers with us as a child, and had always behaved extremely well in restaurants. I had absolutely no clue that she had deteriorated so badly, or I never would have imposed her on everyone else. Since she's not a child though, once we were in the situation, I had no idea how to get out of it.

Honestly, there were a couple of reasons that we kept trying. One is that Monica had an absolute fountain of banked goodwill with both of us. She was a sister to me and a second daughter to my parents when we were both kids. She was an absolutely wonderful child--sweet and loving and kind and considerate, and extremely well-behaved. So all of this took us completely by surprise, and we kept thinking we would get to the bottom of it and get Monica back.

The other reason was more selfish. For eight months, I had a paid, nonrefundable reservation for an Amazing Birthday Race for my dad through Gifts of a Lifetime. When the trip was postponed with less than a week's notice, they very graciously allowed us to postpone the Race without paying a change fee. For the final gift, Monica and I had split the cost on a Horizons Engineering Manual from MouseSurplus. It was the perfect present for my father, a retired Dept of Defense engineer. But Monica had ordered it and had it delivered to her house, and brought it with her from TN. It was hidden away in her luggage. So I was determined to keep everybody together until we could do the Birthday Race and give Dad the present.

Well, I hope you did manage to have a nice day for your Dad. Although....I'm not holding out any real hope.
 
Oh my goodness, Lisa! I was posting my reply at the same time as you were posting your Day 3. Now that I've read Day 3, all I can say is "wow." We've had some dramatic experiences with our extended family too, but fortunately not on vacation. I hope things got better for you guys! It's good you're a trained therapist :) I'm thinking that's the only way you could remember all the back-and-forth enough to write it down (I'd be working to block it all from my memory :confused:)

Thanks for the info on the condo. It sounds like a good deal--hope your dad gets to take advantage of using the timeshare a lot.

Since you are familiar with the area, where is the MouseSurplus? Is that the Character Warehouse off the next exit or so? Or somewhere different?
 
Nothing's Going to Ruin This
Despite all of the drama of the previous evening, I awoke extremely excited. My dad is an enormous fan of The Amazing Race :happytv:, and today he was going to live it! I had contracted with Gifts of a Lifetime for a two-hour Amazing Birthday Race through Epcot. The proposal sounded wonderful, but the company handles all of the details. I had filled out long questionnaires and shared quite a bit about Dad, so I was confident that the Race would be tailored to our group. But I had absolutely no idea what we would actually be doing. I had told Dad that something was going to happen that day, and we needed to be at Pin Central at 10:45. We would end up in Canada around 1:00.

M was in high spirits as well. She was so excited to see Dad's face when he found out. J didn't get it at all, despite M having explained in detail multiple times. But he was willing to go along, which was good enough.

We took both cars, and actually made it to Epcot by 9:30 am. M paid a lot of extra attention to my dad, telling everyone that it was his birthday celebration and he would be the center of attention all day. We didn't necessarily believe her, but appreciated the sentiment.

Spaceship Earth was at a walk-on, so we hit that first. M was thrilled, J thought it was okay. Good enough. Moving on. Next up was Soarin', which M and J both absolutely adored. I was surprised how much he loved it, but they both said they wanted to ride again if there was time later. Shockingly, M didn't insist on riding again NOW!

By this point, it was around 10:30. Supposed to be at Pin Central at 10:45. The event was to officially start at 11:00. Suddenly J wanted iced mocha. Dad suggested we swing through Club Cool, and then grab the mocha. Nope, uh-uh, no way. J wanted iced mocha NOW! So we went to Fountainview. Oops, it doesn't open until 11:00. See the dilemma?

M tried to explain to J that the event couldn't be delayed. I told him we would be more than happy to get anything he wanted to drink that was obtainable at the moment, and then get an iced mocha after the Race. That's when he came out with, "I'm not on a schedule." I was beyond mad, but determined that nothing was going to ruin Dad's Race. So I kept my mouth shut. M and J started arguing.

At 10:43, they were still going at it, so I said, "(expletive) both of you. I paid $400 for this, it's a huge deal to me and my dad, and we're going to do it. You do whatever you like." Dad and I headed to Pin Central and watched the Fountain of Nations show. M followed, and within a couple of minutes, so did J. I vowed to ignore them if necessary and focus on giving my father a wonderful birthday present.

A bit of history. Dad and I are both hugely into surprises, both giving and receiving. So every holiday, we constantly try to one-up each other (in a fun way, not a mean-spirited way). I was pretty sure that this one would trump everything.

An Amazing Birthday Race
***Spoilers Ahead***
***Skip to the next section if you don't want details on the event***








At 10:55, we were approached by a red-headed woman wearing jean shorts and flip flops. She walked up to my father and asked, "Are you Andy?" She then introduced herself as Pat, and asked if he was familiar with The Amazing Race, and explained that he was on an Amazing Birthday Race. There would be clues to find, tasks to perform, and puzzles to solve. The Race would cover 11 countries and he would have exactly two hours to complete it, or she would get his present!! :rotfl: She handed us an autograph book and pen, and the first clue. It took a few moments for Dad to pick his jaw up off the ground. He was literally in shock, but managed to focus on the task at hand. On your mark, get set, go! And we were off.

The first task was to collect autographs from two Cast Members in different locations in Future World, and then find the planter outside Monorail Pylon 206 for our next clue. After getting autographs at MouseGear and Pin Central, we got lost looking for the monorail pylon, but eventually located the planter and the next clue.

The Race was simply incredible! There were a surprising number of tasks packed into the two hours, which kept us moving fast and made the whole thing legitimately feel like a race. Besides the "talk to Cast Members and locate clues" tasks, they also included a Roadblock and a Detour. For the Roadblock, I had to belly dance for a full 60 seconds inside the Fez House in Morocco! I drew a bit of a crowd, and at precisely 60 seconds, a woman with a shopping bag approached me with the next clue!

In Germany, the clue hidden behind a green pickle ornament had $2 taped to the back. The clue said to go to Italy, find out what a "dolce" was, and use the money to purchase one and consume it. It turns out that a "dolce" is a sweet, so we ran to the counter and told the Cast Member we needed a sweet for less than $2. We ended up with a chocolate gold coin that we all shared.

In Japan, we had to stop and sit with Pat, the pixie in charge of our event. Since Dad's diabetic, she had thoughtfully brought a green tea with no sugar added for a refresher. We then had to answer a bunch of trivia questions before we could proceed! She had warned us at the beginning that throughout the Race, people would try to delay us. During this stop, she did her best, chatting about rides and things. We caught on pretty quickly, said our goodbyes and took off again.

All of the tasks were extremely well-thought out and very engaging. A few things were specifically addressed to myself, M, or J, making us all an actual part of the Race. I couldn't be happier with Pat and all the pixies that made it happen!

M did a great job taking photos and documenting everything in the autograph book as it happened. That book became a great souvenir, and I really appreciate all of her hard work.

The very last clue sent us to Canada. The task was to race up the stairs or the ramp to the phone booth, get inside and shut the door to stop the clock. We were literally down to the wire on time. Unfortunately, there was a food stall just inside Canada, which sold mocha. Remember that iced mocha J wanted? Yep, you guessed it. He stopped. Dad, M and I ran up the stairs and saw Pat. She said, "Where's J?" We said, "Getting a freaking mocha." She said, "Everyone has to be in the phone booth with the door closed to stop the clock. You have two minutes left."

So M and I bolted back down the stairs and screamed for J, who had just finished paying for the mocha. She grabbed his hand and we all bolted back up the stairs, him dripping mocha the whole way. We packed the phone booth and shut the door just as time was up!

Okay J, I get it. You've wanted iced mocha for two hours. Couldn't you have waited literally another two minutes to get it?!?!?! I was not real thrilled about that, but I let it go since we made it (barely). Anyway, Pat did an awesome recap of our adventures and brought out the other pixies that had made it happen. They presented Dad with a very nice laminated certificate, and told him that his present would be waiting at the condo. Many hugs and cheers were shared.

Epcot for People Who Hate Epcot
We were all hot, sweaty, and wiped out after our adventure. So we decided to head back to The Land to relax in A/C and get some lunch. We had stopped briefly for a pastry at Norway, but had been jokingly chided by Pat for taking a break in the middle of a Race, so we really needed to eat.

Lunch went okay. I thought M and J would want to chat about the Race, which Dad and I were doing nonstop. But they were scrolling through the pictures on their camera, particularly those of their kids. So Dad and I talked, and they went through photos, which was okay. At least nobody was mad. Yet.

I thought we would go back on Soarin' while were literally right there. But first M and J had to smoke. So we hiked ALL the way back out of the pavilion and over to the smoking area near Imagination. Since we were already out, Dad suggested we do a few other things first, then come back to Soarin'. Big mistake. In the first display of clear-cut decision making in nine days, J burst out with, "We're. Riding. Soarin'. NOW!" Okay, no problem. Thanks for speaking up, right? We headed back to Soarin'.

The ride was just as fun the second time around, and everyone seemed to be having a good time. After it ended, I made the suggestion that we take the boat across the lagoon. J is a huge American history buff, or so we had been told by both of them, and he had been amazed by HoP. So I thought he'd really love American Adventure.

M really wanted to see the Chinese acrobats. I suggested we take the boat over and walk back, catching the acrobats on the way by. That was no good. She wanted to see acrobats first. Okay, so we'll walk. No problem, I was just trying to save your legs.

M was overawed by the acrobats. I like them a lot myself. J had no comment, which I was quickly taking as a good sign. At least he didn't complain, even when the broiling sun came out from behind a cloud.

M wanted to see the 3:30 Voices of Liberty, but it was already 3:20 and I didn't want to hear Jonathan (or her, for that matter) complain about a fast walk. So I suggested we hold off until the 4:15, and browse a bit in the shops in China.

How can a shopper hate those stores? I thought she'd be intrigued. Nope, she was too busy stamping her feet, rolling her eyes, and complaining. So we did the fast walk and got her out of there.

We stopped to smoke in Italy. Well, Dad and I went to the smoking area. M and J decided to smoke on a bench in a non-smoking area facing Sergio. Now, I had tried to get M interested in Sergio when we were looking through the Times Guide the night before, and she just rolled her eyes. But now that it was HER idea, she loved him.

After Sergio, we went to the American Adventure. We'd missed the 3:30 Voices of Liberty, but the 3:45 theater show was loading. So we decided to catch the show, and then try to see Voices of Liberty at 4:15.

Like I said earlier, J's supposedly a history buff. I thought he'd love the show. He loved the air conditioning. They both fell sound asleep! :confused3::scared1: Afterwards, we were informed that it was "boring" and "stupid."

At this point, everyone just started wandering. Every single one of us was annoyed, and no one wanted to take the lead. We ended up back in Italy at, where else, the smoking area. They became enthralled by Sergio again, who was doing his next set. I realized it was 4:45 and the World Showcase Players were starting at 5:00. Dad and I both love the show, and frankly didn't care what M and J wanted at that point. So we told them we were sticking around, and they could do whatever they wanted.

While we waited, we discussed that evening's plan. M really wanted to see Fantasmic, which she swears she's never seen (another one that used to be a favorite, but she now has no memory of). So we were going to go back to DHS for the 9:30 Fantasmic. There was also an 8:00, but she still wanted to do a few things at Epcot, so I told her we'd never make it.

Remember last night's fight between M and J because he refused to do ToT and RnRC? Well, for whatever reason, they both agreed that he had promised her at some point that he would do them tonight. So Dad and I offered to hold spots in the Fantasmic line while they went to those two rides (Please don't flame me, I don't agree with holding spots in the Fantasmic line myself, but after the trip from you know where, it was an attempt at keeping the peace).

Everyone agreed that was the plan. At 5:00, Dad and I went to sit at the rope for World Showcase Players. We tried to wave M and J over. The actors tried to wave M and J over. They were sitting in chairs directly behind the performance space. They refused to come over, and spent the entire show talking to each other. Whatever, Dad and I had a great time.

The Final Meltdown
When the show ended, we all got on the boat to Future World. Dad was directed inside with the ECV. M and J sat outside. I had learned by this point that whenever they withdrew from the group, there was trouble brewing.

Sure enough, we got off the boat and they started speed-walking, completely ignoring Dad and me. When J stopped for another mocha, I pulled M aside and asked what was going on. "Oh, nothing. We're fine." "Are you sure? For nine days, this has generally meant that someone was not happy." "Nope, we're good."

M told me that they were tired and had decided to skip Fantasmic. They wanted to do Test Track and Mission: Space, and then go back to DHS for ToT and RnRC, but not stay for Fantasmic. I reminded M that it was my dad's birthday celebration, and that he would be disappointed if she didn't see Fantasmic with him, but I told her we understood if they were simply too tired.

It then occurred to me that Dad and I see Fantasmic a lot. It was no big deal to us, beyond wanting to share it with them. If we went and they didn't, then we'd be home pretty late. Monica had really, really wanted to be a part of giving my dad his birthday gift (the Horizons Engineering Manual). I didn't want her to either have to wait up, or fall asleep and miss it.

That's when I made my fatal mistake. I suggested that we all just skip Fantasmic, maybe even skip going back to DHS altogether, and head home early. Dad and I had bought porterhouse steaks, intending to have a cookout one night at the condo. We had a couple of videos and a game that everyone had expressed interest in. I thought maybe we could go home, have some family birthday time, and still let them get to bed early to rest up. The next two days were going to be AK and the Wishes Dessert Party, and then Islands of Adventure, so I thought they might appreciate the rest.

In a tone of complete venom and hatred, M spat, "We can't do that." I said, "Why not?" She said, "My husband is taking me to the Olive Garden tonight!"

Um, excuse me, okay, what?!?! First of all, there's an Olive Garden down the street from your house. There are Olive Gardens all over Lakeland, where you're going to spend several days with your father. Tonight's not exactly your only chance to go the Olive Garden, not to mention we were all just there less than a week ago!

Secondly, you made a big point out of today being my father's birthday celebration. You made a big deal out of displaying his present on the table in a nice decorative arrangement after he left the house this morning. You wanted to be involved with the whole birthday, or so you said. Now we have to stay out of the house while you guys go to dinner, so that we can then do birthday when you're ready to do it???

Third and most importantly, you weren't just up front and honest. You didn't say, "Hey Lisa, I know it's your dad's birthday and all, but we're really exhausted and wanting comfort food. How would it be if we took a little time out to go to dinner on our own, and then met back up to finish the birthday?" Instead, you lied and manipulated like you always do, made this Olive Garden thing into your little secret, and then didn't know what to do when your secret got busted.

Needless to say, I was enraged. It wasn't even the Olive Garden per se, it was that on top of everything else that had been going on for over a week. I thanked M for finally being honest and told her that it simply wasn't going to work any longer. She then spat back that they had just been putting on happy faces and allowing us to drag them through the parks, and they weren't going to do it any more. (Have you looked in a mirror? This is a happy face? I'd hate to see an angry face!)

The Second Amazing Race
At this point, Dad and I looked at each other, and locked eyes in silent understanding. There wasn't any more to give. There wasn't any more point to continuing. We had been told in no uncertain terms exactly what they thought of us, and exactly what they expected out of this trip. And we were unwilling to continue being used and taken advantage of any longer.

I told M calmly and quietly, but firmly, that was it. There were two more days left in the trip, both to parks that she had never seen (AK and IOA) that she was really looking forward to. But she was no longer doing it on our dime. I told her that they were welcome to spend the night, but they needed to leave in the morning.

J shot back that they were leaving that night. I told him that was fine. I said, "I'm sorry it has to end this way, but it has to end. None of us can take this any more." They asked for directions to the park exit (we were standing on the main World Showcase bridge), and we gave them. M and J flounced off in entirely the wrong direction, towards The Seas.

That gave me the moment I needed. Remember that Horizons Engineering Manual that M and I split the cost on for Dad's birthday? It had been in her luggage all week, but that morning, just before we left the condo, she and I had laid out on the dining table in a nice display. I knew M would try to take it, so I needed us to beat them home.

I told Dad we needed to leave quickly, so we sprinted (well, he rolled at top speed) out of Epcot. We took the back roads and made it to the condo first. I flipped the book open long enough to show him what it was, and he was thrilled! No time to enjoy it, though, as we loaded it into the car. We also loaded up my computer, our collectible Figment, and a few other things we thought M might steal or destroy.

They came in about ten minutes behind us and starting packing up. We sat on the porch and watched them. They took the Mickey ears we had given them, the pound of fudge that was supposed to be for everyone, and the handful of groceries that they had bought (though they had freely eaten everything we had bought all week). Dad followed J out to the car to get our condo keys back. In hindsight, I wish I had gotten the park tickets back, but at the time I never thought about it.

That was it. Dad told J he was sorry it turned out like this, and J gave no response. M never even looked at either of us. They drove away, Dad closed the door, and we both breathed a huge sigh of relief. We were just so glad it was over.

Coming up: A Retrospective and What We Learned
 
Some things I've learned........you gave them about 8 days too many of chances. :lmao:
 
Now caught up with Days 4-9. Man, it has sounded like a Herculean exercise in patience. Sorry things didn't work out as you had hoped when you were planning months ago. :sad2:
 
Wow! I can't believe that you had to deal with that on your vacation. Do you think it would have been better if it was just her and not a "make it or break it" trip for them?
 
Holy crap! You win! My family meltdowns were no where near this bad- I really don't know how you managed to stomach all the drama! Congrats for getting through it and here's hoping you and your dad have a wonderful vacation in the future to make up for all of this.
 
It's the Final Meltdown doot-de-doooo Doot-de-do-do-do Doot-de-do-dooo Doot-de-doot-de-dooo

Sorry.

Wow. I'm kinda' shocked, I have to say....is it possible (please don't flame me) that Monica and Jonathan have a substance abuse problem? This is just so unreal! And very, very nightmarish! I am so sorry this happened!

Best,

Mrs. Spratt
 
I don't post alot, but did want to respond to your trip report.

You have more patience than I'll ever have. After the first tantrum/mood swing I would have asked if she'd taken her meds :rotfl:

Second, my dd12 LOVES the Amazaing Race. Is there an age limit? Could both of us get it done in the time period?

Hugs for both you and your dad.
 
I'm just chiming in at the tail end of this and I'm sitting at my computer angry!! :mad:

I HATE when people are unappreciative!! In 2007, we took both of my sisters to disney (16 & 21). We decided to take the 21 year old with us out of pity because it was near her birthday. I should've known better. She's irresponsible, ungrateful, and a snot. She complained the whole time and ruined our trip! She didn't have to pay 1 dime for the trip and I promised myself I would never be used again. I know how I felt from this experience and 2.5 years later, I still get a sour taste in my mouth! :sick: I understand how you feel and I must say, you are much more patient than me! :eek:

Also, I want to add this: after reading through your posts on this trip I realized something: Disney holds a special place in your heart, your father's heart, and you are a person who cares a lot about others and likes to share...you automatically want to share youf love for Disney with others. I figured this out because you are a lot like me: you will do things you really don't care to do just to see other people's happiness. You get full enjoyment from doing things for other people and making them happy. When you are on the giving end and the person on the receiving end is unappreciative, rude, and downright mean, it hurts even worse. There's nothing wrong with being that type of person and don't let a bad trip change that about you! You need a special DiS :hug:
 
Wow! This brings the problems with traveling with relatives to a whole new level. Sorry this happened to you. Hope your next trip is perfectly magical!
 
I'm just chiming in at the tail end of this and I'm sitting at my computer angry!! :mad:

I HATE when people are unappreciative!! In 2007, we took both of my sisters to disney (16 & 21). We decided to take the 21 year old with us out of pity because it was near her birthday. I should've known better. She's irresponsible, ungrateful, and a snot. She complained the whole time and ruined our trip! She didn't have to pay 1 dime for the trip and I promised myself I would never be used again. I know how I felt from this experience and 2.5 years later, I still get a sour taste in my mouth! :sick: I understand how you feel and I must say, you are much more patient than me! :eek:

Also, I want to add this: after reading through your posts on this trip I realized something: Disney holds a special place in your heart, your father's heart, and you are a person who cares a lot about others and likes to share...you automatically want to share youf love for Disney with others. I figured this out because you are a lot like me: you will do things you really don't care to do just to see other people's happiness. You get full enjoyment from doing things for other people and making them happy. When you are on the giving end and the person on the receiving end is unappreciative, rude, and downright mean, it hurts even worse. There's nothing wrong with being that type of person and don't let a bad trip change that about you! You need a special DiS :hug:

This. You just completely hit the nail right on the head. A lot of posters have asked how Dad and I could possibly put up with as much as we did. You nailed it precisely: despite everything, we genuinely wanted them to have a good time. For us, it wasn't about our trip. We've both done Disney a lot. The only part that was for us was the birthday. Everything else was for them. We love watching people have a good time, and we were perfectly willing to do whatever was going to make them happy. Unfortunately, they were just determined to be miserable and to make everyone else miserable in the process. And you're right, that hurts. A lot. Big DIS hugs to you too :hug: Let me know when you'll be down again, perhaps we could meet up!!

KELSTER: It sounds like the Amazing Race would be perfect for you and your daughter! The company, Gifts of a Lifetime, completely tailors each and every event to the particular group. From what I understand, there is no age limit to participate as long as an adult is involved. The main event recipient must be at least 5 years old. I would think that for a 12-year-old's event, the Race might be slightly easier (less obscure clues, possibly one or two fewer tasks). It will also be customized to your daughter's knowledge/familiarity with Disney, likes/dislikes, how outgoing she is, etc. I would definitely go to their website and fill out the pre-event questionnaire. There's no obligation, and they'll create a couple of proposals for you based on your answers.

Also, in case anyone is curious, Amazing Race is just one of their themes. We were also offered a Survivor event, complete with tribal council and reward challenges. I know there are a bunch of others as well. I don't mean to sound like an advertisement, I was just so incredibly impressed with the professionalism and amount of work that they did. I couldn't be happier!
 
Oh my goodness, Lisa! I was posting my reply at the same time as you were posting your Day 3. Now that I've read Day 3, all I can say is "wow." We've had some dramatic experiences with our extended family too, but fortunately not on vacation. I hope things got better for you guys! It's good you're a trained therapist :) I'm thinking that's the only way you could remember all the back-and-forth enough to write it down (I'd be working to block it all from my memory :confused:)

Thanks for the info on the condo. It sounds like a good deal--hope your dad gets to take advantage of using the timeshare a lot.

Since you are familiar with the area, where is the MouseSurplus? Is that the Character Warehouse off the next exit or so? Or somewhere different?

Writing it all down has actually been really cathartic for me. I'm just hoping it hasn't been too emotionally scarring for people to read :scared1: Honestly, if I was reading all of this in somebody else's TR, I'm not sure I would believe it! This is so far outside the normal range of human experience. I've certainly never gone through anything close to this before.

MouseSurplus is different than the Character Warehouse. It's down in Haines City. The best way to get there is Hwy 192 to Hwy 27, turn left and go about 12 miles or so. There's a map on the website. It's a neat place. They salvage props, costumes, hotel furniture, anything that Disney would otherwise dump when they refurbish, and sell it as-is for very reasonable prices. We got a black and white Captain EO photo and an opening day Epcot guide, with a paper picture frame featuring the pre-AK three parks logo thrown in, a few days after Michael Jackson died, for $30 total! Sometimes they have really big things too, like a Horizons ride vehicle ($10,000!) or a monorail car (don't remember what that sold for). It's a great place to soak in Disney history.
 
I just read back through my entire TR, and I'm very glad that I did. It helps to put things into perspective and realize that while most of it was the trip from Hades, we did actually manage to have some fun. I daresay that even M and J enjoyed a few things, though I doubt they'll ever admit it.

Whose Fault Was It?
I truly believe that in any negative situation there is fault on all sides. In this case, though, I have to put most of the blame on M. It seems like she determined before they ever got here that J WOULD ride everything she wanted to ride, and WOULD love it just as much as she did. This set up an automatic recipe for failure, because he has what appear to be legitimate phobias of way more things than I could have ever imagined--heights, speed, darkness, roller coasters, just on and on. Remember Day Two? He was terrified of the monorail. He almost had a heart attack on Dumbo on Day Three. I happen to write about phobias for About.com as one of my freelance writing gigs, and the first thing I tell people is that those with phobias CANNOT be forced. You end up doing more psychological damage.

I truly believe that the very final break, the Olive Garden fiasco, was engineered by J out of mounting terror. For two days straight, all he had heard from M was that he HAD to ride ToT and RnRC and he HAD to love them. So he finally told her what she wanted to hear in order to shut her up. Then he spent the entire day dreading the rides and working himself up more and more. He was frantic for an escape route, so he cooked up the Olive Garden plan. Instead of a pansy, a wuss, a loser, a bad father???, and everything else she called him over not going on the rides, he could be a hero by taking her to her favorite restaurant. M's very much of the "bright shiny objects" mentality, so his plan worked like a charm. He "loved" her so much that he was going to take her for her favorite meal. Of course, this is just my impression of what happened.

M controls him in other ways too. Throughout the trip, there were absolutely no souvenirs that J wanted for himself. Then in Arribas Bros, he fell in love with a $7 shot glass. She put her foot down and absolutely FORBID him to buy it...never mind how many hundreds of dollars she'd already spent on herself and the kids, he was NOT "wasting" $7 on a shot glass. Same thing with the HHN express passes. He didn't want to wait in lines, and he wanted to see the houses with us. To him, considering we had paid for the tickets, $130 for two express passes was a reasonable investment. Again, she flatly FORBID him to buy the express passes. She didn't mind waiting in line, and if he didn't like it that was too darn bad for him.

As I said in the TR, when she insisted on seeing how much money was in his wallet, he threw the contents all over the table. I didn't count it, but I would estimate somewhere between a thousand and two thousand dollars of money he had been specifically setting aside for the trip. And everything was paid for, so that was JUST play money. But he wasn't ALLOWED to spend it.

I do think the trip would have been better, not necessarily great but at least tolerable, if it was just one of them. With just M, we could have focused on thrill rides. With just J, we could have made a wide circle around thrill rides. With the two of them at an impasse and neither willing to give, it was an impossible situation. And it became easier for both of them to blame us for somehow creating the impossible situation, rather than deal with their own impasse.

Following My Gut
One of my biggest lessons learned is to trust my own gut. For some reason, I was horribly anxious in the weeks leading up to this trip. Part of it was the ongoing drama we were having with S and his scary girlfriend, and M being nervous about that situation. But there were other things too.

We originally offered to pay for flights. There was an excellent special on Southwest, Nashville to Orlando for $79 pp each way. But because of the way things fell out financially, I needed to get paid before we could book it. My paycheck was delayed by ten days, and the airfare special expired. It would have cost an extra $500 between the two of them :scared1: to fly out of Nashville.

Expecting M to be reasonable, we called to let her know her new options. There was an AirTran special for $59 pp each way out of Knoxville, about three hours away. Or they could drive down and we would pay for their gas.

The entitled child came out then. Instead of being reasonable and discussing options, M flipped out. "We can't fly from Knoxville, we can't afford the gas to get there!!" Um, okay. Should you be going on vacation if you can't afford $15 for gas? "Okay, then why don't you drive and we'll reimburse you for gas?" "J can't drive that long. It hurts his back." Wait a minute, until he got fired for what you told me was having a suspended license (now reinstated, but still on his record), he drove a garbage truck for a living. What do you think he did all day? It came out that we PROMISED them a flight from Nashville, and it didn't matter in the slightest that it would cost $500 extra. Their comfort was all that mattered.

I was absolutely floored. I didn't even know what to say. I suggested to Dad that we simply call off the trip then, but he couldn't fathom that she meant it the way it came out. Frankly, neither could I. So instead, I calmly reiterated their options and told them to discuss it and make a decision. I did make it clear that flying from Nashville was off the table unless they paid the difference.

From that point on, my stomach kept telling me not to go. I have a sensitive stomach, which is the first place that stress always hits me. I had more stomach issues the next week than I've ever had in my life.

Finally, M and J decided to drive. She was absolutely convinced that the drive would take 14 hours each way, and he was convinced that gas would cost $400 each way. :rotfl: I've made that drive a LOT, and I estimated 10 hours of drive time and $100 in gas each way. As it turns out, they got stuck in flooding in Atlanta, which added an hour to the trip. Total drive time with the flood: 11 hours. Total gas cost: $94. Hmm, guess who was right?

I had severe anxiety in the week leading up to the trip. I flatly did NOT want it to happen, and I couldn't figure out why. Every time I've had that feeling and I ignored it, something really bad has happened. Every time, I swear next time I'll listen to my gut. Hopefully this time I actually mean it!

Getting Wrapped Up
Ever hear the expression: "When you're up to your rear end in alligators, it's hard to remember that you only set out to drain the swamp"? That's how it was with this trip. Dad and I set out to give M and J the trip of a lifetime. We knew that was a lofty goal, and would have been perfectly happy with a generally relaxing, overall fun trip. We had no real expectations.

By the end, we were on edge with each other and walking on eggshells to avoid upsetting them. We turned ourselves inside out and upside down in an effort to guess what M and J might want at any given moment and provide it ASAP. It turned us into people that we don't like or respect. But it was all so insidious, so subtle at first, that we didn't realize it was happening. I've definitely learned my lesson on getting too wrapped up in other people.

Trusting Others
I didn't maintain control of what was important to me personally--in this case, my dad's birthday gift. I sent M the money for my half of the present, and let her order it and have it delivered to her house. She maintained control of that gift all the way through the trip, keeping it hidden away in her luggage. That gave her power over us, because I really wanted my dad to get the gift. From now on, I know to keep control over those sorts of things myself.

One thing we did do right was not accepting their offer to simply take their car each day. In actuality, Dad's ECV could have been broken down and thrown in the trunk. It fits just fine into a regular taxi, and M and J have an SUV. But the ECV was a convenient excuse. Dad and I did not give them the power to decide when we went to the parks and, more importantly, when we left each evening.

Just Too Long
Ordinarily, I would not plan an 11 day trip with people I wasn't extremely close to. But Dad and I had spent a week at M and J's house in 2007, and we all had so much fun we extended it by another week. We had every reason to believe that things would go well.

Still, I think I've decided no more long trips with anyone outside my immediate family. IF we ever do anything like this for someone again, we'll plan on four or five days, hitting the highlights. They can do pickups on their own if they want.

In Summary
I want to thank everyone for reading and commenting. It's easy to second-guess yourself when people are screaming at you that you've ruined their lives. It's easy to wonder what you should have done differently, and how such a happy occasion went so horribly wrong. So thank you all for contributing some perspective, and especially for the hugs and well wishes. I don't know where I'd be without my DIS family :grouphug:

It wasn't all bad, and I will take away some happy memories. Will I ever speak to M again? I honestly don't know. The question was raised by a poster here as to whether M and J might have a substance abuse problem. I don't know. I do know that they both claim that until a year or two ago, J was a raging alcoholic and was abusing prescription medications. They both quit drinking altogether, and he has supposedly given up the drugs (for their very young kids).

BUT, they are both currently prescribed WAY more medication than I would expect for their age and general level of health. I do know from watching them that they take their pills pretty liberally, and often share with each other. Could the pills be contributing, and could they be taking way more than they should? Quite possibly, although I want to be clear that I DO NOT have any first-hand knowledge of substance abuse. As far as we're concerned though, even if they do, it's not an excuse. If she comes crying to us about having been in rehab or whatever, we're still not going to be inclined to take her back in.

I don't know at this point what, if anything, either of them could ever do to regain our trust. But they are family, and forever is a long time. I certainly won't be inviting them on any more trips anytime soon though. Unless...what do you guys think? Should we take them on a cruise? :rotfl2:

Thanks again for reading and commenting, and I truly welcome any more thoughts, questions, or concerns!!!
 
First, I hope some of my posts haven't been taken as rude or mocking. They weren't meant that way, but came from a state of shock at what happened on your trip. In addition to thinking about how I would have handled it.

Second, the good news for you is, I would think your patience on this trip surely earned you some positive heaven points. :)
 











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