Need your opinions on this article: "Why I won't be renewing my WDW AP"

BarryHom

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I was writing this opinion for the USOInfo site, but it may be better suited for Jim Hill Media or someplace like that. I'm probably preaching the the choir, but I'd like some feedback, bad or good.

Thanks!

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Why I Won’t Be Renewing My Walt Disney World Annual Pass


by WebmasterBarry

Surprisingly, I have a Walt Disney World annual pass. I originally purchased it because a lot of my friends and family were coming to Disney throughout the year. It was a better deal to buy an annual pass rather than Park Hopper tickets. As my expiration date of my annual pass of March 16 is slowly approaching, I have no incentive to renew it.

I had purchased a Walt Disney World annual pass at a special AAA rate and a Florida resident rate of $288. I received my renewal form and the renewal rate was $281.16. The current AAA rate for an annual pass is $288.25. I would save $7.09 by renewing. Disney lists the regular price for a Florida resident annual pass of $318.44, which would be a savings of $37.28. The savings for a renewal over the regular price is about 12%. When you renew, the annual pass starts on the date of the expiration of the original annual pass. Thus, if you don’t use your annual pass for a few months, the clock still ticks to expiration.

I also have a Universal Orlando annual pass. I had purchased it about two years ago under a special buy 1 year, get 1 year free rate at around $189.95. That worked out to be $94.98 a year. Universal Orlando offers an annual pass renewal rate of $99.95. If I renew, I would be ahead by $4.98. The regular price of an annual pass is $169.95. If I bought the annual pass at that rate and renewed it, I would save $70. This savings turns out to be about 41%. When you renew, you receive a voucher that is good from one year from the date of activation, not the date of the original expiration date.

The benefits to a Universal Orlando annual pass are much better. I looked through my Walt Disney World annual passholder sleeve for discounts. Most discounts are for higher-priced items. For example, you can get 10% off a meal at Concourse Steakhouse at Disney’s Contemporary Resort or Whispering Canyon Café at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge. Other discounts are 10% off a spa treatment at the Grand Floridian Resort and 10% off a Richard Petty Driving Experience. The discounts are usually for items that are highly priced already that a discount doesn’t really matter. The most important discount for me is free parking.

Universal Orlando is much more flexible in its discounts. Annual pass discounts include 20% off merchandise, 10% to 15% off discounts on food ay many of the restaurants, discounts on special events like Halloween Horror Nights, and free parking. Thus, no matter if you buy a postcard or a sweatshirt, or if you eat the Balsamic chicken at Mythos or a burger at the Burger Digs, you still get a discount. Annual passholders visit the park and need to eat like any other guest, so the food discount is an incentive for passholders to eat onsite rather than go elsewhere for lunch.

I also considered purchasing a Park Hopper Pass, but there wasn’t a great deal there either. I worked out the per day cost for each of Disney World’s Park Hopper Pass options:

· 4 day Park Hopper Pass: $218
Per day cost: $54.50
· 5 day Park Hopper Pass: $286
Per day cost: $57.20
· 6 day Park Hopper Plus Pass: $318.44
Per day cost: $53.07
· 7 day Park Hopper Plus Pass: $350.39
Per day cost: $50.06

Compare these prices with Universal Orlando’s multiday ticket options:

· 2-day/2-park pass: $99.95
Per day cost: $49.98
· Bonus pass (allows for 5 consecutive days of admission at Universal Orlando): $94.95
Per day cost: $18.99
· 4 park Orlando Flexticket (allows 14 consecutive days of admission at Universal Studios Florida, Islands of Adventure, Sea World, and Wet N Wild): $179.95
Per day cost: $12.85
· 5 park Orlando Flexticket (same as the 4 park Orlando Flexticket, but adds Busch Gardens Tampa to the ticket): $214.95
Per day cost: $15.35

Of course, the days on a Disney Park Hopper ticket never expire. The only Universal Orlando ticket that is comparable is the 2-day/2-park pass. Days on that pass never expire. However, looking at the per day cost of Disney’s tickets and Universal’s tickets, you can save up to 50% per day over Disney.

A lot of people will say that you need to spend the extra money on Disney. No other park compares to Disney. Disney World has the best and friendliest Cast Members. You won’t experience Disney magic at another park. Sure, there are great Disney rides. Pirates of the Caribbean, Tower of Terror, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, and Spaceship Earth are all examples of great Disney rides. However, in recent years, Disney rides have disappointed me. Disney magic has become a cliché. Disney magic has turned into a magician who pulls rabbits out of hats for a kid’s birthday party. I just don’t feel the magic anymore. Disney’s recent slogan seems to be “we make rides on the cheap!” Instead of getting great rides like Space Mountain, we’ve gotten rides like Aladdin’s Magic Carpet Ride and Triceratops Spin. Do we really need more Dumbo-like rides? Test Track was delayed for years and when it finally opened, it didn’t seem more thrilling than driving down I-4. Tower of Terror is under construction at Disney’s California Adventure, but it seems to be a truncated version of the great drop ride and will fail to have the magic of the original at Disney Studios.

The worst example of trying to make a ride cheap is Journey Into Your Imagination. This ride was so hated (even by Michael Eisner) that it was rebuilt into its current form. Even in its current form, it doesn’t capture the magic of the original Journey Into Imagination ride that opened way back in 1982. I can name other examples of non-Disney magic – Hemilich’s Chew Chew Train at Disney’s California Adventure and Primeval Whirl at Animal Kingdom. These are all rethemed off-the-shelf amusement park ride. There’s nothing wrong with off-the-shelf rides (many theme parks purchase them all the time), but we expect a higher standard with Disney than with our local amusement park. That’s why many will travel thousands of miles to visit.

If there was “Universal Orlando magic,” it would be comparable to Harry Houdini. Nearly every one of their recent rides – the Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man, Men in Black: Alien Attack, Jimmy Neutron’s Nicktoon Blast, and Shrek 4-D – have been home runs. The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man and Men in Black: Alien Attack have consistently been voted some of the best dark rides out there. When I ride the Spider-Man ride, most of the times the guests cheer and applaud at the end of the ride. You don’t see that on It’s a Small World! The Men in Black ride has caused addictions to those who ride it so they can beat their previous score of the ones of their friends and family. Some guests even ride it all day long. When you ride them, you can tell where the money went and it was money well spent.

While Universal Orlando have erected their own off-the-shelf rides – Storm Force Acceleratron and the Flying Unicorn – the park has shown that they can still make a ride with a limited budget and make it fun. Jimmy Neutron’s Nicktoon Blast is a good example. While the theming of the ride was miminally changed from the Funtastic World of Hanna-Barbera, the money was spent on where it counts – the ride film. You can tell that Universal took special care to make the ride film fun. The ride even has the most unique movement of any simulator ride (remember to bring your dancing shoes!). Unlike Journey Into Your Imagination, Universal didn’t try to rip out part of the old Hanna-Barbera ride to make a gigantic gift shop or short change their guests. Even the soon-to-be-opened Revenge of the Mummy spares no expense in the experience that they will give the guests. Spending a lot of money on a ride doesn’t guarantee success, but Universal doesn’t seem to short change the experience because they only look at the bottom line.

As for the quality of the employees, I think Universal Orlando has as many great employees as does Disney. Sure, there are some at Disney and Universal alike who aren’t friendly or just want to survive to the next paycheck, but the friendly ones outweigh the bad ones. A notable example at Universal is an employee named Dick. He works the front gates of Universal Studios. No matter how cold or hot it is or how long he has been standing there, he is always smiling and extremely friendly. I try to go through his line when I see him because he really makes my day with his enthusiasm. As a side note, the friendliest employees aren’t at Disney. Silver Dollar City in Branson, MO has the most friendly theme park employees that I’ve ever encountered.

The most notable attraction at Disney where they really went all out is Mission: Space at Epcot. I was excited to ride Mission: Space because it seemed to go back to the days when Disney went all out for a ride. It was a breath of fresh air to the staleness of the cheap rides that were installed lately. Still, the ride doesn’t compare to the great rides at Universal. In fact, as I walk around Disney, I can hear myself saying most of the time, “Universal is better.” Universal’s rides and attractions seem to come out on top every time. Here is a short comparison:

· Kali River Rapids vs. Popeye and Bluto’s Bildge Raft Barges
Winner: Popeye and Bluto’s Bildge Raft Barges (it’s faster, wilder, and a lot wetter)
· Muppetvision 3-D vs: T2: 3D – Battle Across Time and Shrek 4-D
Winner: T2 and Shrek 4-D (more fun, more jaw-dropping 3-D)
· Rock N Roller Coaster vs. The Incredible Hulk Coaster
Winner: The Incredible Hulk Coaster (more inversions, better launch)
· Buzz Lightyear’s Space Spin vs. Men in Black: Alien Attack
Winner: Men in Black: Alien Attack (more three-dimensional characters to shoot at, more addictive, gun doesn’t wear out your thumb)

Even though Universal Orlando has fewer parks and less onsite hotels than Walt Disney World, Universal really packs a punch in what they offer. In considering the ticket deals and the quality of the rides, Universal comes ahead. While I’m not going to join in the anti-Disney line started by Roy Disney and Carl Hiaasen, I don’t think I’ll be rushing to the line to purchase a Disney World annual pass anytime soon.
 
Does everyone in AAA get a AAA discount on annual passes at Disney or is that just for Florida Residents?????

By the way, you write very well. Your artical is well thought out and supported with details. I just sometimes 'love the mouse' and need that Disney fix...then that Universal fix...then SeaWorld... I'm just addicted to it all! I will say that Universal is certainly more reasonable in cost, however, for admission and food!
 
excellent article! I would send that along to Disney (every address you can find for them) as well as savedisney.com. I'd get that baby in front of as many eyes as I could!!
Who knows....it may just turn someone around........
 

Very well written, Barry. You've covered just about everything I would've covered and then some.
 
Disney has two good rides at each park. To go on them, you have to visit 4 parks to do it. Eisner stopped installing "fun rides" opting for celebrations (Bday parties, anniversaries, ect). For 100 million, he could have built two Millennium Force coasters.

Busch has also frustrated me recently. I didn't renew my AP, and wrote them a few letters. After Rhino Rally, I thought the family stuff was over, but no, we get a 7 year old used maus coaster from BGW. Read this article.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4201623/

The part where it says, "a recent letter drafted by Busch Gardens to a visitor complaining of the lack of thrill rides states that " I spoke with our general manager, and ... you are going to be an extremely happy guest by 2005. "

That's me. I blasted them for not having any new "fun rides", told them I wasn't renewing my AP, and that I'm drinking Coors Light. They wrote back with the news about 2005.
 
to be fair - the Disney attractions that I love most are the live shows (Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, even Tarzan Rocks) - I wish they had more stage shows like this. They cost a lot though in actors.
 
Barry,

It seems like a very thoughtful well written article. However, I have to disagree. I love both Disney and Universal and would never try comparing them. Its just like apples and oranges in my opinion. The things I love about Disney, I dont get at Universal and the things I love about Universal I dont get at Disney. We have visited both Universal and Disney for the last 3 years and I expect to do the same again in June. Just my opinion, but I love them both.
 
Barry, do you know what kind of discounts are available for AP holders at the on-site hotels @ Disney? Are they anything to write home about? I've never been a Disney APH. Universal offers some great hotel discounts to their APHs, which is a big selling point for me. I've heard a lot of complaints that Disney was holding out on AP room discounts last year.
 
In the sentence, "Even though Universal Orlando has fewer parks and less onsite hotels than Walt Disney World, Universal really packs a punch in what they offer..." it should be <i>fewer</i> onsite hotels, not <i>less</i>... Also, in the sentence, "When you renew, you receive a voucher that is good from one year from the date of activation, not the date of the original expiration date..." I think you could eliminate the last word (date)... I'm an editor, so I just thought I'd point these out to you!

Very well-written article, Barry... Although I'm a Disney fanatic, you've got me really excited to sample all that Universal has to offer. Look forward to offering my opinions at The Dis when I return next week!!

Hope this helps,
Sarah
 
Informed and very useful Mr. Webmaster. I imagine the article would be well received in everything, including tabloids & Sunday "Travel" pages or "Letters" to the Editor pages.
 
Originally posted by AlexandNessa
Barry, do you know what kind of discounts are available for AP holders at the on-site hotels @ Disney? Are they anything to write home about? I've never been a Disney APH. Universal offers some great hotel discounts to their APHs, which is a big selling point for me. I've heard a lot of complaints that Disney was holding out on AP room discounts last year.

I don't stay too often onsite, but it seems like I can get a Florida resident discount easier than an AP discount at Disney.
 
hello

i thought this article was very well written- i have been to WDW many times - and really do enjoy it each time- although the kids are older and have gotten "tired" of disney
we are all looking forward to our first trip to USO
you have me really psyched up now!!

lisa:hyper:
 
Well, for those who are interested, I e-mailed the article to Jim Hill Media. We'll see what happens.
 
Originally posted by mulchpuppy
Florida residents don't get discounts on Park-Hoppers?

Jeez. That blows.

Well, not really...Disney does have a Play 4 Days special. It's liek a 4 day park hopper pass for $109. I think the deal expires in June. But that's only for Florida and Georgia residents.
 
Well i said you could rite for a Tabloid !!!!! But Barry i have to agree with you on this one!Nicely written!And well spoken!! agree with you 110 percent on this one!For some of the exact reasons, thats why i have universal 2 park annual passes and not disney ap's,Its not about how many parks do we own,its about quality,And i think the cast and crew at us/ioa do a great job!!!!!I cant tell you how welcome we feal when we go to us/ioa when we are greeted with a smile each time we enter a park and a come back to see us each time we leave...I myself no longer see the magic at disney:( But each time a cast member does something for my daughter 6 yr old it bring's a smile to my face at us/ioa..pre disney early 80's....The little things ...Like a ballon she got at the cat in the hat ,and candy she got at the parade (Maceys) and a ballon..I could go on...Nice post Barry!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Are you sure this is for GA also? Disney has never honored GA as FL before that I know. IF they start that we may start getting AP's again. Please tell. We have almost given up on the mouse. We let our AP's expire for Disney and U last fall. Moments ago I just purchased new U/IOA AP's with the AAA special online. I am in love with the Loews hotel chain and how close the parks are. Can you blame us anyone?
 
Well written article, Barry. I love both WDW and USF and I agree whole heartedly with you in regards to WDW needing better pricing. As far as the rides are concerned, I don't think it's a fair comparison. I feel that WDW has always been geared towards young children. Granted, you have to be a certain height to get on some rides, but even those rides are relatively tame. Universal rides, with the exception of Seuss Landing, leans more toward entertaining older kids and adults.
 
Pretty courageous to write this stuff Mr. Horm, but completely agreeable here. Too bad Disney can't lure us in anymore.
We look for the most "bang for the buck" and it always comes up Universal.
Give a square deal and you'll get our meal! We have a grand 'ol time at Uni now with food & drink & etc.

Rides gotta be good & convenient too!!
 
I can help with 2 questions that I happened to have read while reading these posts... first off....AlexandNessa... Disney hotels with an AP rate... Yes, you can get a very good discount with an AP rate....rule of thumb (and depending on the season)...it runs up to 40% off rack rates, but I do have to agree with Barry....it is easier to get a FL Resident Rate than an AP...AP rate's sell out fast. Second GA vs FL Resident Rate....FeeFeeWhite...I have always been under the impression that Disney has given the discounts to GA Residents....... hope this has helped you both.... I also want to add my 2 cents to this..... I am the biggest WDW fan going....but guess what...... this year I don't think I am renewing my Disney AP. I got the 2 year deal with Universal....and cannot justify paying that much more just to stand on long lines..For the last 2 years I have held AP's at both Universal & Disney. I still love the themeing of Disney's parks... but Eisner is really bring them down.... I will still eat at the resturants in the resorts & I may still stay in the resorts....using a FL Resident Rate.... but I doubt that the parks will be getting my money....seems Universal has more for the buck! ::yes:: Yes Cheryl.... I said that LOL
 











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