Need advice - possible DVC Newbie...

Plan Man

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We have been to Disney many times. Kids are older now and starting families
of their own.
My wife and I are considering buying into DVC - haven't decided resale or direct from Disney. I have read many of the posts and and I am starting to get a feel for the possible challenges so I have a few questions---How difficult is it to get a reservation four or five months out- not during a peak time but in the summer or fall (outside of spring breaks etc)

How many points do I really need... we will want a one bedroom but would settle for studios - we won't care about the view

We love Disney but probably would only go three out of five years or every other year.

My main concern is that I want it to be as hassle free as possible - I would rather buy more points and be happy than try to skimp on the points and be disappointed

Thanks for any help!
 
DVC is a way to save money, but you have to put some work into it. You'll need to determine if the savings are worth the hassle. There won't be much available at four or five months out, but one-bedrooms are the last to be booked, so you might get lucky. Expect SSR or AKV when booking with that short of notice.
 
If you want hassle free than don't buy DVC. It can be a hassle that you have zero control over.

As a cash guest, you have the ability to not come back and vacation somewhere else should you have problems or a less than exceptional experience.

As a DVC owner you have to accept the good and the bad and your only recourse is to sell your contract to someone else for them to deal with it.

:earsboy: Bill
 

Summer is pretty easy, you might be staying at SSR almost every time, but something is likely to be available. Fall will be much more difficult. October through Christmas is DVCs busiest time. But it won't be hassle free. You might, at five months out, find that you can get a room for four out of your six nights one place, but two right in the middle are available only at another resort and have to move mid trip.
 
We have been to Disney many times. Kids are older now and starting families
of their own.
My wife and I are considering buying into DVC - haven't decided resale or direct from Disney. I have read many of the posts and and I am starting to get a feel for the possible challenges so I have a few questions---How difficult is it to get a reservation four or five months out- not during a peak time but in the summer or fall (outside of spring breaks etc)

How many points do I really need... we will want a one bedroom but would settle for studios - we won't care about the view

We love Disney but probably would only go three out of five years or every other year.

My main concern is that I want it to be as hassle free as possible - I would rather buy more points and be happy than try to skimp on the points and be disappointed

Thanks for any help!
I'd spend at least 6 months of active investigation to get a feel for the rest of the story and absorb how this will fit for you. As you've posted, it won't be a good choice for 4-5 months out, if that's an absolute and you can't plan routinely at 7 months out, that might be a deal breaker unto itself. To start to answer the rest of the question, it really depends on your specifics but here goes. For a 1 BR EOY for a week you're looking at maybe 120-150 points per year. That should give you some flexibility on room size, resort and actual frequency. Generally it's worth getting the slightly larger "full sized" contract in this situation of 150-170. The only way to guarantee is to buy a fixed week at VGF or the Poly (assuming WDW) and for 4+5 months out you're asking for trouble and likely guaranteeing that most trips will be at AKV, SSR and OKW. Also realize that the 1 BR is the worst value in the system comparatively speaking. The other issue is whether you might take some of the other families part of the time which may suggest buying larger still could be a good choice if it makes sense for you otherwise. Cash gives you the most protection (other than possibly price) and the best choices. As you've posted I doubt DVC is a good choice for you but ultimately you'll have to digest the info and make the decision specific to your situation.
 
As others have mentioned, I would recommend doing a LOT of research. The amount of time depends on your satisfaction with the quality of research. I did about 40 hours of research over 2 weeks, but I also knew a little about DVC from 5 years ago when I first explored it with my now-ex husband. (Still kicking myself for not convincing him to buy then).

I would suggest researching DVC until you have no more questions, a full understanding of how it works, and have slept on it for a while. One thing to do while researching is find the point charts and "plan" your vacations. Pick dates (theoretically), and determine how much it will "cost" in points. Make different scenarios at different resorts. That will give you an idea of how many points you'll need. I would also emphasize that 90% of the time, at 4-5 months out, you're going to be looking at SSR, AKV or possibly OKW. Summer is busy time in Disney so that will cost you in points and availability, BUT you can probably get SSR. Fall is hard, because you have W&D in Nov. plus W&D Marathon Weekend and MNSSHP in Sept-Oct. As an example, there is very little available for both of those times right now.

If you plan on going 3 out of 5 years, you "may" be able to get away with lower point contract, due to banking/borrowing. If you bank one year you would, in theory, have double the points available for the following year. BUT, if you did not go for 2 years in a row, you risk losing banked points.

My best recommendation, and what I did when deciding to buy, is to write down all your thoughts, questions, concerns, tentative travel plans, etc. Involve your spouse and kids in the brainstorming list of questions. Get their thoughts wants. It will do no good if you purchase a contract, are limited to staying at SSR or AKV, and your children and future grandchildren don't like either resort. Once you have your list of questions, start researching them. Post questions here, read articles and sites on banking/borrowing/renting/use year/restrictions on resale points, etc. As you research, more questions will arise. Write them down so the next time you have a research session, you can find those answers.

DVC is a long-term financial commitment. Keep in mind you will be paying annual dues of several hundred dollars each year and that amount will increase annually. Consider if your family is willing to make that commitment. Are you financing or paying cash? Financing will not make much sense since it will impact the cost savings of DVC, and saddle you with a monthly payment. Draw up different budgets based on annual dues for your home resort to determine the long-term financial commitment keeping in mind the cost of the trips (outside of accommodations, there are travel costs).

The most important question to ask yourself is WOULD you go to Disney anyway if you did NOT have DVC? If the answer is yes, then DVC is a viable option. If the answer is no, then you may want to reconsider DVC.

If you get overwhelmed or feel DVC is not right for you after researching, that's okay. Walk away from it and if the urge resurfaces, revisit it again. When I first researched DVC back in April, I was positive it was right for me (after talking to the sales person at Poly). Then I went home, researched for about 3 days and was dead set against it, feeling it was overkill for me, a single person, too much financial commitment, etc, not as much flexibility, etc. So I stopped researching and let it go. Then a few weeks later, the urge to revisit DVC came up and I looked at it again. After more research, I started to think differently about it due to the frequency of my trips revolving around RunDisney events. Then I spent nearly two weeks debating what home resort to buy into. I have another post I made about that, and thanks to the feedback, I ended up buying a large contract resale for VGF that I'm excited about, and a smaller contract direct from Disney at SSR.

Have you taken the "tour" at Disney for DVC? It's a wonderful experience, though only somewhat informative. You find more out researching on your own. Taking the tour is worth it to see some of the rooms in person, but be careful that your emotions don't run your decisions if you do take the tour. I recommend being fully prepared with knowledge about DVC before going on the tour, so you are less likely to succumb to emotions during what should be a strictly business transaction.

I hope I helped! Feel free to PM me or post here with any questions. Good luck!
 
WOW thanks for all of the responses. The DenLo response with the availability post was really good. DisneyFloridaGirl thanks a lot - I love the thought process you went through. I also looked into in 2007 and wish I would have bought in then. Now I am looking again thinking about Poly.
 
If you are considering purchasing Poly, keep in mind one thing. Now, availability is pretty good since it's a new DVC resort. However, in 2-3 years, when it sells out, it "may" be like VGF or BLT, hard to get into at less than 7-11 months because it is a monorail resort. Owning Poly means you can book 11 months out, which is an advantage in that you can get your stay at Poly, but that means you will have to plan your trip that far in advance. Poly is also going to be higher in points because it is a monorail resort. Just something to keep in mind.
 
If you bank points and need to cancel, you could lose the points since they can only be used for one extra year. If you borrow points and cancel, they will expire at the end of the year into which they were borrowed. Unless you can reschedule during the same year.

Plus no hassle and DVC don't always go together.
 
I would also suggest you rent someones points and then tour all the DVC's and see which you fits your style before buying.
 
DVC is a way to save money, but you have to put some work into it. You'll need to determine if the savings are worth the hassle. There won't be much available at four or five months out, but one-bedrooms are the last to be booked, so you might get lucky. Expect SSR or AKV when booking with that short of notice.

I booked VGF at four months out just this year for our upcoming August vacation. Expect SSR or AKV? No way. The only one that was absolutely booked up 4 months out was the Beach club.
 
I booked VGF at four months out just this year for our upcoming August vacation. Expect SSR or AKV? No way. The only one that was absolutely booked up 4 months out was the Beach club.
You got lucky. Yes, expect SSR or AKV. Anything other than those two would be pure luck.

http://disboards.com/threads/predicted-dvc-booking-patterns-studios-some-1-bedrooms.3419112/

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I would say if the op is looking for a full week reservation, then yes a lot of resorts will not have that many continuous nights available at 4-5 months. But if they are looking for 2-3 nights at a time, that's much easier to find. It depends on what they're looking for.
 
I have been doing my research these past couple of weeks just as DisneyGirlFlorida has described here. I've written countless scenarios out with different point combinations to see what we would need. We have ultimately settled on 135 points at Poly. It is less points than we originally wanted because Poly is so expensive buying direct. But If you bank the first year of points, you can take 4 consecutive trips to Poly before you have to take a year off and bank again. That sounded pretty good to us. 135 points banked and added to the next year is 270 points. Which seems to be the magic number for a lot of 1-bedroom weekly rates during Magic Season. We were originally looking at 120 points, but its amazing how much flexibility you get out of merely 15 more points. I wouldn't have thought about that had I not done my due diligence in point scenarios.
 
Then I've been lucky almost every year we go. The only time I ever had to do Saratoga was a month out about six years ago. Never stayed at AK.

There's a resort availability tool which shows not only could I have had BWV at 4 months standard view but I could have had Wilderness Lodge as well. And Bay Lake if I wanted to wait list a night. I did have to wait list one night for VGF but it came through like every wait list I ever had has come through. Also the Poly Bungalows were open for the whole month of August at four months out.
 
Thanks again everyone. theSurlyMermaid what is the availability tool you mention - is it a DVC member tool?
 
Thanks again everyone. theSurlyMermaid what is the availability tool you mention - is it a DVC member tool?

It's part of the member website and its kind of fun to go scrolling though and see what's available even when you don't have a trip planned.

I just wouldn't be discouraged that you will always be stuck at Saratoga or AKL and let that influence your DVC decision. If you do not travel at peak DVC season (and August is not) then you will be able to stay at other places. In fact, I watched the resort availability tool on the website for a few weeks this year because we weren't sure we were going to even go until 4 months out and there was so much availability I felt comfortable waiting. Then again I do not think it is a huge deal to wait list a night or two….like I said, I have never had one not come through.
 



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