"Naked" X-Ray Scans At The Airport.. Your Thoughts?

[fireflymedic]

as long as they dont laugh when I walk through I'm OK with it.

 

[Carly_Roach]

This thread is useless without pictures...

I posted pictures upthread.

I'd rather be alive than dead and have them mention my "rights" in my obit. Terrorists don't give a crap about your rights. And your rights won't help you if one of them gets on a plane with a bomb.

Yeah. Uh huh. You DO realize that you have a greater chance of getting hit by lighting or winning the lottery than you do of getting on a plane with a bomb, right? Not to mention that you're far more likely to be killed driving on the highway than in an airplane that crashes, let alone an airplane that has a 'terrorist' aboard.

So by all means give up your civil rights (that you use on a daily basis and are your children's birthright). As for me, I'd rather have my civil rights that I use every day than throw them away because of the .000000000000143829% chance that one day a plane I might be on has someone aboard who succeeds in blowing it, and me, up.

Everyone loves to say that our soldiers are dying for our right to freedom, but that freedom seems less valuable to people who want to trade it in for a nebulous perception of safety. And all because the TV is scaring them.

And when it comes to dying for your own freedom, no one wants to actually take that risk themselves but they'll thank every soldier they meet. How hypocritical. And shameful.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

I posted pictures upthread.

So by all means give up your civil rights (that you use on a daily basis and are your children's birthright). As for me, I'd rather have my civil rights that I use every day than throw them away because of the .000000000000143829% chance that one day a plane I might be on has someone aboard who succeeds in blowing it, and me, up.

Everyone loves to say that our soldiers are dying for our right to freedom, but that freedom seems less valuable to people who want to trade it in for a nebulous perception of safety. And all because the TV is scaring them.

And when it comes to dying for your own freedom, no one wants to actually take that risk themselves but they'll thank every soldier they meet. How hypocritical. And shameful.

No one is a bigger advocate of civil rights than me!! I belong to the ACLU and am very informed of issues.

That being said - I believe the scan is a NON-ISSUE! No one is giving up anything.

I am more concerned about the Patriot Act which is an affront to personal privacy.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

I posted pictures upthread.

Yeah. Uh huh. You DO realize that you have a greater chance of getting hit by lighting or winning the lottery than you do of getting on a plane with a bomb, right? Not to mention that you're far more likely to be killed driving on the highway than in an airplane that crashes, let alone an airplane that has a 'terrorist' aboard. Yes, I understand these odds. I also understand that my government (both local and federal) has taken steps to make my chances of getting struck by lightening or being in a car accident that much less. We have weather warnings, lightening rods, speed limits, seatbelts and DUI laws to assure that, while not completely without risk, things like this are less likely than without them.

So by all means give up your civil rights (that you use on a daily basis and are your children's birthright). As for me, I'd rather have my civil rights that I use every day than throw them away because of the .000000000000143829% chance that one day a plane I might be on has someone aboard who succeeds in blowing it, and me, up. You also haven't mentioned the people on the ground who might be affected by a terrorist attack with a plane. And as is the way in this country, I have a choice about the civil liberties I chose to "throw away". I can make the decision to get on a plane and give my consent to be scanned, and you can stay home with your civil liberties and not board a plane. There is NO WAY I should have to take a chance of getting blown out of the sky because YOU don't want to be scanned.

Everyone loves to say that our soldiers are dying for our right to freedom, but that freedom seems less valuable to people who want to trade it in for a nebulous perception of safety. And all because the TV is scaring them. I respectfully disagree. The TV isn't what scares me. It's the fact that I was in NYC on 9/11. I was in the WTC after the first plane hit and before the second. I saw the devestation first hand. Thankfully, I didn't lose anyone in my family, but many people I knew lost family members. I also came back to work on 9/15, 2-1/2 blocks from the WTC. I breathed the air, I watched for months from our windows as they brought out body after body. I still work here, every day. It's a normal occurrence to have reservists with guns in the PATH station. Please don't dare condescend to me about being scared by the TV.

And when it comes to dying for your own freedom, no one wants to actually take that risk themselves but they'll thank every soldier they meet. How hypocritical. And shameful.

Yep, I am hypocritical because I wouldn't want to serve. And I'm grateful to every service member and their families for the HUGE sacrifices they make every day for my freedom. I'm just curious though -- have you ever personally served, because unless you have, you're in the same boat I am. And if you have, thank you from the bottom of my heart because I'm glad I don't have to.

 

[shrubber]

Yeah. Uh huh. You DO realize that you have a greater chance of getting hit by lighting or winning the lottery than you do of getting on a plane with a bomb, right? Not to mention that you're far more likely to be killed driving on the highway than in an airplane that crashes, let alone an airplane that has a 'terrorist' aboard.

The odds against there being a bomb on a plane are a million to one, and the odds that there are two bombs on a plane are a million times a million to one. Next time you fly, cut the odds and take a bomb.

 

[JCJRSmith]

There is a lot of back and forth in this thread, and things appear to be split fairly evenly between those who want the scanners and those who don't.

After Shoe Bomber Richard Reid attempted to blow up his shoe with PETN in it, we here in the US were (and still are) required to go thru airport security in bare or stocking feet while our shoes pass thru the xray machine. Did you know that the xray machines cannot detect PETN, that a chemical scanner is needed? Yet we still take off our shoes and put them thru the machines. It is Security Theater.

I personally believe that the single most effective tool we have against terrorism in the air is the absolute willingness of the other passengers to beat the hell out of any who looks at them cross-eyed.

 

[shrubber]

Judging by the Christmas incident in Detroit, I’d give the system a good, solid B+.

 

[shrubber]

No one is a bigger advocate of civil rights than me!! I belong to the ACLU and am very informed of issues.

That being said - I believe the scan is a NON-ISSUE! No one is giving up anything.

I am more concerned about the Patriot Act which is an affront to personal privacy.

The ACLU is calling for these scanners to be removed.
http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/aclu-calls-removal-controversial-see-through-scanner-orlando

 

[Mickey's Minion]

No one is a bigger advocate of civil rights than me!!
That being said - I believe the scan is a NON-ISSUE! No one is giving up anything.

I am more concerned about the Patriot Act which is an affront to personal privacy.

Not a member of the ACLU, but...



Applause, Applause for the best post in this thread!

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

Yep, I am hypocritical because I wouldn't want to serve. And I'm grateful to every service member and their families for the HUGE sacrifices they make every day for my freedom. I'm just curious though -- have you ever personally served, because unless you have, you're in the same boat I am. And if you have, thank you from the bottom of my heart because I'm glad I don't have to.

Not sure how this even came into the thoughts of xray machines

My husband has served & as far as he is concerned & I'm concerned we say bring on the naked x-ray machines!!!!!!

For those who are offended, think it's against their freedom I say the door is always open........

 

[PrincessKsMom]

Not sure how this even came into the thoughts of xray machines

My husband has served & as far as he is concerned & I'm concerned we say bring on the naked x-ray machines!!!!!!

For those who are offended, think it's against their freedom I say the door is always open........

Another poster replied to me with:

And when it comes to dying for your own freedom, no one wants to actually take that risk themselves but they'll thank every soldier they meet. How hypocritical. And shameful.

What you quoted was my response to this poster.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

All I can say is bikini waxes all year

 

[shrubber]

The one security precaution the government refused to consider was to require extra screening for passengers who looked like the last three-dozen terrorists to attack airplanes.

Since Muslims took down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, every attack on a commercial airliner has been committed by foreign-born Muslim men with basically the same hair color, eye color and skin color. Half of them have been named Mohammed.

An alien from the planet "Not Politically Correct" would have surveyed the situation after 9/11 and said: "You are at war with an enemy without uniforms, without morals, without a country and without a leader -- but the one advantage you have is they all have quite a bit in common.... "

 

[Lanshark]

Hopefully, this epic failure will wake people up. If X-Ray machine will keep 1 plane from going down then implement it. If dogs need to sniff every travels crotch then have at it. If there is a chance for abuse, which there is, then address those issues. If the agencies that are supposed to keep these nuts off the planes are not communicating then fix them. If I make a choice to fly then I will make the choice to go through the XRAY machines. If I don't want to subject myself to security measures then I will make the choice not to fly.

I'm not convinced that xray machines will give us actual security. We seem to have a lot of parts that are working on these problems but they don't appear to be working as a cohesive unit. We don't need an illusion of security we need security.

 

[NotUrsula]

I believe that El Al passengers get the same scrutiny where ever they fly out of; JFK, LAX to Israel, etc.

Very true. However, the last annual passenger count I could find for El Al was 3.5 million passengers carried in 2005, over all routes. By contrast, JFK airport alone handled 47,807,816 passengers in 2008. There is just no way that the TSA could adopt El Al's full security process without bringing air travel in this country close to a screeching halt. Parts of it, yes, but not the whole routine.

I have a lot of family in the UK and in Northern Ireland, (I also have some Provos in the family, though my side doesn't associate with them.) Since the early 70's they have lived with the possibility of bombings every day, but still they go about their business and live life much as they always have, because you simply cannot arrange your life around what MIGHT happen.

The British learned that during the Blitz in WW2 (my parents lost two homes to bombing then.) If it comes, it comes, and there is just no sense in obsessing about it unless it is your job to do so. Even then, your resources are finite. You have to calculate acceptable loss ratios and learn to live with them.

Americans are spoiled rotten in this respect, in that Americans haven't had to deal with living with a real war inside the country since the 1860's. We CANNOT do everything -- some loses are inevitable. That is an unpleasant reality, true, but reality nonetheless. We need to accept that life is not always safe, and learn to live with a certain level of risk without either curling up in a ball to hide or voluntarily giving up all of our liberties in a vain pursuit of absolute safety.

 

[Carly_Roach]

I personally believe that the single most effective tool we have against terrorism in the air is the absolute willingness of the other passengers to beat the hell out of any who looks at them cross-eyed.

Amen. Twice!

In spite of the many American sheeple cowering in their seats waiting for someone else to "take care of it" because they have children, because they have a cold, because they're handicapped, because because because (there's always a reason), there will always be those of us who still have the guts and fortitude to stand up and beat the crap out of those who appear to be about to cause serious damage to our vehicle.

Hint: we're the ones who DIDN'T go through the naked body scanners because we felt it was against an American's right to privacy.

The ACLU is calling for these scanners to be removed.
http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/aclu-calls-removal-controversial-see-through-scanner-orlando

 

[shrubber]

In spite of the many American sheeple cowering in their seats waiting for someone else to "take care of it" because they have children, because they have a cold, because they're handicapped, because because because (there's always a reason), there will always be those of us who still have the guts and fortitude to stand up and beat the crap out of those who appear to be about to cause serious damage to our vehicle.

perhaps the airlines could add this to their preflight announcement about seat belts and emergency exits: "Should a passenger sitting near you attempt to detonate an explosive device, you may be called upon to render emergency assistance. Would you be willing to do so under those circumstances? If not we will assign you another seat" .

 

[Carly_Roach]

perhaps the airlines could add this to their preflight announcement about seat belts and emergency exits: "Should a passenger sitting near you attempt to detonate an explosive device, you may be called upon to render emergency assistance. Would you be willing to do so under those circumstances? If not we will assign you another seat" .

Don't know about you, but I don't need an announcement.

 

[micki7337]

As long as my family and I are safe I do no mind

 

[MarkBarbieri]

Ah heck, let's just cut to the chase. It's time for everyone to start flying naked and have their luggage shipped on another plane.