Naked as a Jay Bird!

[mkycrzy1971]

I'm sorry, but I've had universal precautions training. Not all "bodily fluids" are created equal, so to speak. While trace amounts of HIV can be found in urine, it is not transmissible through contact with urine. There are no recorded cases of anybody ever contracting HIV in that manner. Saliva and blood - the most commonly encountered of the other bodily fluids - are of far greater concern for various diseases, and are never classified as "sterile." However urine is indeed classified as "sterile."

However, I will concede that it's possible for urine to pick up certain germs from the person's skin as it passes. That's why when doctors ask for urine samples they explain the procedure for obtaining a "clean catch."

Once again: Urine might be "icky," but it's sterile.


David

This might be....however, I am NOT going to sit here and believe people are going to let their children play in urine because it is "sterile"...not my kids...

 

[mkycrzy1971]

I have yet to go topless in the US. If I´m at a beach with other topless women I have no problem with this. If that is not customary in the area, I do not, and that´s not problem either. I have been "warned" though of specific beaches in the Orlando area where going topless is customary, so it is also done in the US. With that being said, I have also been around naked American kids on US beaches, when my kids were wearing swimsuits.

Whhhewww! I am glad to hear that!! Yeah, there are a few "topless" beaches in most costal areas of the US....however, it IS "frowned" upon and not acceptable to most American women. I do not mean any disrespect....just trying to make a point

 

[dqpowell]

This might be....however, I am NOT going to sit here and believe people are going to let their children play in urine because it is "sterile"...not my kids...

Good grief... it's like I'm having a discussion with my wife... who constantly twists what I say and puts words in my mouth. I never said I would "let my children play in urine," period. I reacted to your statement that you would drag your child back to the resort to scrub him/her until he/she was "beet red."

My point is that such a reaction to a child touching urine is unnecessary. By all means, go to the nearest bathroom and wash him/her with soap and water. There could be germs on the curbside that have nothing to do with the urine, and even if there weren't, urine is smelly and icky. But it's not like you have to worry about the child contracting HIV, measles, the common cold or cooties from it.

David

 

[Alesia]

This might be....however, I am NOT going to sit here and believe people are going to let their children play in urine because it is "sterile"...not my kids...

Nobody is saying that they would let their kids play in it. We're just saying that coming into contact with it is not the end of the world. You come into contact with urine (and much, much worse) every time you touch money, or a shopping cart handle, or a computer keyboard, or a handrail...

 

[dqpowell]

Nobody is saying that they would let their kids play in it. We're just saying that coming into contact with it is not the end of the world. You come into contact with urine (and much, much worse) every time you touch money, or a shopping cart handle, or a computer keyboard, or a handrail...

Absolutely true. Shopping cart handles and computer keyboards have something like 100,000X as many bacterial cultures on them than the inside of a typical toilet bowl.

David

 

[allyphoe]

when i search google I come up with this http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=contract+aids+urine&FORM=MSNH

Funny, when I search Google, I come up with a hit on Google, not on MSN. The snippets you're referring to say "HIV/AIDS — Comprehensive overview covers symptoms, treatment ... Salmonellosis. You contract this bacterial infection from contaminated ... is transmitted in body fluids such as saliva, blood, urine, semen ... " which isn't exactly clear as, um, urine.

Personally, I prefer to do medical research by looking at actual medical evidence:
http://*******.com/2tk8rk ("Our findings indicate that urine from HIV-1-seropositive individuals is unlikely to contain infectious HIV-1.")
http://*******.com/2oopwv ("Infectious HIV-1 was not detected in any of the concentrated urines tested.")

ETA: apparently, www dot tiny url (no spaces) is a no-no.

I am not taking a chance of letting my children play in someone's urine!!! And what if someone had blood in their urine?? Would YOU play in urine without any concerns anymore than you would play in a pool of blood??? I just know it is a "risk" that can be avoided....to think someone would think otherwise is truly disgusting in my opinion.

I don't think there's anyone here advocating even peeing in the streets, much less frolicking in a pool of urine. We're just trying to counteract some of the more, um, extreme claims as to the danger possibly lurking on every curb.

Oh, and if your kids swim in a public pool, including a WDW pool, they're playing in someone's urine. Diluted, chemically-treated urine, but still.

 

[MRNsMommy]

I already made my opinion of the subject at hand known several pages back, but I just have a question for those of you who don't see child predators/pedophiles as a reason not to let your kids run around in public naked...my question is...
What is the point in law enforcement trying to shut down child pornography rings?
Some of you have said that you don't feel it really harms the child (or an adult) in any way if they don't know that they've even been targeted in the first place. Sure, they may not know it, but it doesn't help me sleep any better at night thinking that some sicko is pleasuring himself by possibly looking at pictures of my naked child running through a fountain!
And...yes...I realize that pedophiles can get off by seeing pics of children dressed as well, but I'm not going to help them fulfill their fantasies any further by actually giving them the pleasure of seeing my child completely nude!
As I said previously, I, personally, do NOT find it offensive for a child to be in the buff. I think it's cute, but I'm also not naive...I realize there are people out there who disgustingly are turned on by that! I have a two-year-old who loves to run around naked and I realize they can disrobe quickly, but in public, I make sure the clothes stay on...when we're in the privacy of our own home, she can do as she pleases!

 

[dawnball]

See Bold, navy print for response...

- Just for the record, that makes responding to you more difficult than is really required.

Did you notice the word "accidentally"???? I now for a fact that sometimes we stumble upon sites that we do not mean to when doing a search

OK, If I "accidentally" stumble across a picture of a naked child playing in a fountain - my mind jumps to "Naked Child" not "kiddie porn". Unless someone photoshopped something else into the image (as dealt with later). I'd be very concerned if someone identified a non-photoshoped naked photograph of my child (obtained by any means) as "child porn" - but I'd be concerned with the finder.

If someone takes a picture of you (as an adult, fully dressed) at a theme park, photoshops it onto a naked body that isn't yours and distributes it on a website that you never see - are you harmed? Do you protect yourself against that possibility?

Sorry, I think you are taking this to a whole new level...that IS over the top.

Not really, because that's frequently how child porn is created/increased. You photoshop on a new head, you move a naked torso, you photoshop off the clothes, you change the perspective...

 

[dawnball]

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What is the point in law enforcement trying to shut down child pornography rings?

It's the new war on drugs. And really, photos tend to be a gateway for predators. If you can stop them while they're still on photos.. you're better off.

*shrug* I don't think of sickos at all at night. I have my own set of parental nighttime worries. You're entitled to yours, and mine probably aren't any more rational.

 

[MRNsMommy]

I don't think of sickos on a normal nightly basis either, but I just have the common sense to know that I'm not going to let my daughter run around naked in front of potential perverts.
Of course, she can always be a target no matter what she is or is not wearing, but, like I said in my previous post, I'm also not going to facilitate any potential pedophiles fantasies by letting her run around naked in public.

 

[Freyja]

Check out the most recent case of a child being molested near the Swan pool...I think it was April 30, 2007...a real shame that some people prey on children!!

That is 1 case! You were trying to convince me that this is how it is most of the time. I have never said it doesn´t happen, just that it wasn´t the most common type of child molestation.

 

[Freyja]

I don't think of sickos on a normal nightly basis either, but I just have the common sense to know that I'm not going to let my daughter run around naked in front of potential perverts.
Of course, she can always be a target no matter what she is or is not wearing, but, like I said in my previous post, I'm also not going to facilitate any potential pedophiles fantasies by letting her run around naked in public.

I guess you don´t let her run around naked anywhere then? Not even at home!

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Count me as another who would disown a relative who claimed to have "accidentally" come across kiddie porn. Adult porn, sure - a slip of the finger will get you that. That's because adult porn is legal (and lucrative), and the best way to get you in the door is with an "accidental" freebie. Kiddie porn is mostly distributed privately (by email or login-required BBS) because giving out accidental freebies is the best way to end up in jail.
I would not know all of the details about kiddie porn and the fact that you could not get to it without a specific login because I do not look at it...excuse me for being "ignorant" on this subject matter....you people are taking this WAY out of line!!! Okay another senerio....there is a police agency that busts a kiddie porn ring...they somehow figure out that one of the pics is your child and contact you...how would you feel???


Oh, noes! I'm sorry you were traumatized by seeing text indicating that a distant relative might be bisexual / nonmonogamous / looking for love in all the wrong places, but that's not exactly the same as stumbling across proof of a felony. At least not since Lawrence v. Texas.

Please see response in bold, navy

 

[Alesia]

I already made my opinion of the subject at hand known several pages back, but I just have a question for those of you who don't see child predators/pedophiles as a reason not to let your kids run around in public naked...my question is...
What is the point in law enforcement trying to shut down child pornography rings?
Some of you have said that you don't feel it really harms the child (or an adult) in any way if they don't know that they've even been targeted in the first place. Sure, they may not know it, but it doesn't help me sleep any better at night thinking that some sicko is pleasuring himself by possibly looking at pictures of my naked child running through a fountain!
And...yes...I realize that pedophiles can get off by seeing pics of children dressed as well, but I'm not going to help them fulfill their fantasies any further by actually giving them the pleasure of seeing my child completely nude!
As I said previously, I, personally, do NOT find it offensive for a child to be in the buff. I think it's cute, but I'm also not naive...I realize there are people out there who disgustingly are turned on by that! I have a two-year-old who loves to run around naked and I realize they can disrobe quickly, but in public, I make sure the clothes stay on...when we're in the privacy of our own home, she can do as she pleases!

The fact of the matter is that kiddie porn is not generally pictures of random kids running around naked. It is pictures of kids who have been forced to do things that no child should be doing. THAT is the point of law enforcement shutting down child pornography rings. This thread has become about hypotheticals and it is becoming ridiculous.

I don't allow my daughter to be naked in public, but not because there might be some pervert lurking somewhere. I keep her dressed because that is what is considered appropriate.

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Good grief... it's like I'm having a discussion with my wife... who constantly twists what I say and puts words in my mouth. I never said I would "let my children play in urine," period. I reacted to your statement that you would drag your child back to the resort to scrub him/her until he/she was "beet red."

My point is that such a reaction to a child touching urine is unnecessary. By all means, go to the nearest bathroom and wash him/her with soap and water. There could be germs on the curbside that have nothing to do with the urine, and even if there weren't, urine is smelly and icky. But it's not like you have to worry about the child contracting HIV, measles, the common cold or cooties from it.


David

Well, I am sorry that you have to criticize people to make your point!! First of all I was only KIDDING (as I stated earlier) about scrubbing my child beet red....some people do not know when to take a joke (not to mention, if you notice, this comment was ment for another poster...not you or the other poster making such a big deal of this joke. Also, clearly, you are an expert in the field of medicine....I am not, and I am NOT trying to say I am...just stating that it is disgusting no matter how you look at it (and what the article from Mayo Clinic states)....end of conversation!!!

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Nobody is saying that they would let their kids play in it. We're just saying that coming into contact with it is not the end of the world. You come into contact with urine (and much, much worse) every time you touch money, or a shopping cart handle, or a computer keyboard, or a handrail...

Again, as I stated to dqpowell....what I said about scrubbing my child beet red was ment as a joke toward the poster I quoted (never done it yet in the 15 years I have been a parent and believe me, my kids have touched worse than urine)...lighten up people....end of conversation!!!

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Funny, when I search Google, I come up with a hit on Google, not on MSN. The snippets you're referring to say "HIV/AIDS — Comprehensive overview covers symptoms, treatment ... Salmonellosis. You contract this bacterial infection from contaminated ... is transmitted in body fluids such as saliva, blood, urine, semen ... " which isn't exactly clear as, um, urine.

Personally, I prefer to do medical research by looking at actual medical evidence:
http://*******.com/2tk8rk ("Our findings indicate that urine from HIV-1-seropositive individuals is unlikely to contain infectious HIV-1.")
http://*******.com/2oopwv ("Infectious HIV-1 was not detected in any of the concentrated urines tested.")

ETA: apparently, www dot tiny url (no spaces) is a no-no.



I don't think there's anyone here advocating even peeing in the streets, much less frolicking in a pool of urine. We're just trying to counteract some of the more, um, extreme claims as to the danger possibly lurking on every curb.

Oh, and if your kids swim in a public pool, including a WDW pool, they're playing in someone's urine. Diluted, chemically-treated urine, but still.

I did not ever say anything about MSN...
Originally Posted by mkycrzy1971 View Post
when i search google I come up with this http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q...rine&FORM=MSNH

 

[mkycrzy1971]

I already made my opinion of the subject at hand known several pages back, but I just have a question for those of you who don't see child predators/pedophiles as a reason not to let your kids run around in public naked...my question is...
What is the point in law enforcement trying to shut down child pornography rings?
Some of you have said that you don't feel it really harms the child (or an adult) in any way if they don't know that they've even been targeted in the first place. Sure, they may not know it, but it doesn't help me sleep any better at night thinking that some sicko is pleasuring himself by possibly looking at pictures of my naked child running through a fountain!
And...yes...I realize that pedophiles can get off by seeing pics of children dressed as well, but I'm not going to help them fulfill their fantasies any further by actually giving them the pleasure of seeing my child completely nude!
As I said previously, I, personally, do NOT find it offensive for a child to be in the buff. I think it's cute, but I'm also not naive...I realize there are people out there who disgustingly are turned on by that! I have a two-year-old who loves to run around naked and I realize they can disrobe quickly, but in public, I make sure the clothes stay on...when we're in the privacy of our own home, she can do as she pleases!

It looks as though you and I are in the minority here...I completely agree with what you are saying....all I have to say is at least we can rest well at night knowing that we are doing everything possible to keep our children from unknowingly becoming a victim of child porn.

 

[mkycrzy1971]

- Just for the record, that makes responding to you more difficult than is really required.

OK, If I "accidentally" stumble across a picture of a naked child playing in a fountain - my mind jumps to "Naked Child" not "kiddie porn". Unless someone photoshopped something else into the image (as dealt with later). I'd be very concerned if someone identified a non-photoshoped naked photograph of my child (obtained by any means) as "child porn" - but I'd be concerned with the finder.


Not really, because that's frequently how child porn is created/increased. You photoshop on a new head, you move a naked torso, you photoshop off the clothes, you change the perspective...

Again...you (and a couple of others) are taking this whole subject to a whole new level....over the top...we agree to disagree on this subject (and it sound like many others as well)...at least I know my child will never be used in this way for some pervert to get his "jollies"...if someone photoshops my child's head on someone else's body...well then, it is not my child is it???? It makes me sleep better at night knowing I am doing the right thing in my opinion...I am sorry you feel differently...end of conversation!! Oh, yeah...and I am sorry the way I sometimes respond makes it difficult for you to follow...I guess that makes it simple...do not read my responses.

 

[mkycrzy1971]

You are well behind in the discussion. Many disagree with you about that, and the reasons why are strewn over the past 8 pages.

David

jenrose66....many do disagree (but do not let them intimidate you)...you are CORRECT...some people are living in another world....it is nice to have you "on-board". Kids will be kids and their little dimpled butts are adorable....however, there is a time and a place for it and last time I check, nudness in public is against the law (toddler, adolecent, adult or otherwise)....buuuutttttt......I am sure that some will have something to say about that too...