My Dog Is In Heat...

Please do not assume that because your girl is in a fenced yard that she is in no danger of coming in contact with intact males. Be aware that no fence, no matter how solid or how high, is a deterrent to a determined, amorous male. Dogs can smell your ***** for miles and miles, so you will have any number of very determined dogs of all sizes, all jumping and digging abilities that won't think twice about allowing a measly fence to get in the way of nature's call. If your dog is outside, you need to keep a keen eye on her, even when she is on leash. Wandering, determined males won't see you as a deterrent either.

And once a male is tied, there is nothing you can do till the deed is done. No looking out your back yard and shooing the male away, hoping that you caught them in time. You physically cannot separate them till it is over and done with.

Also, just a reminder, you may want to research the vet costs of raising a litter before you make the decision to use your beloved girl as the basis for completing your pet family.

After doing all the health screenings that any responsible breeder would do (As with most breeds, Westies have a host of genetic problems that should be screened for before breeding), the associated costs of the pregnancy vet costs, such as x-rays and ultrasounds and then the costs of raising the litter till 10-12 weeks with vet visits and initial shots, that $1,000 you shelled out for your girl may start to sound like a bargain.

And that is if there are absolutely no complications. Westies have a higher than average incidence of water puppies, which means a higher than average necessity for an emergency c-section. Throw in an emergency c-section for your girl (necessary to get those walrus puppies out before your beloved girl dies) and that $1,000 is beginning to look like a drop in the bucket.

Plus, factor in the place in your family that your girl has. Deaths of *****es are not uncommon in dog breeding. Are you willing to risk the life of your beloved pet just to save money on another dog?

As a responsible breeder, you will want to make sure that none of your puppies end up in rescue over their lifetime. That usually means that you microchip each puppy (another expense) before they leave with your name as one of the contacts. At the very least, you have a contract that specifies that you will take the puppy back, at any age for any reason. Are you willing, 5 years down the line, to be responsible for 8 - 12 dogs that you put on the ground?

If you choose not to do the pre health screens, are you prepared for one of your puppy buyers to come back and demand that you pay the vet bills for a genetically defective puppy you produced? This could run into thousands of dollars.

All questions anybody should be asking themselves before they decide to breed.

In the meantime, there is always the doggie chastity belt: :goodvibes
http://www.pabsforpets.com/

I appreciate all of the thought you put into the post, however, I am relatively sure that no male, no matter how amorous, will jump my 7 foot high fence, nor dig through 2 feet of snow and frozen clay.

At the moment, I'm not planning on pimping her out. We will probably spay her in a few months, before her next heat cycle. The health of our older dog may determine our ultimate course of action. I agree that the possibility of water puppies is something to seriously consider, thank you for the information.

In our 20 yrs together, we have owned 4 dogs and 3 cats. Currently we have 2 dogs and 2 cats. The 3 cats all came from the animal shelter, and all of the pets, with the exception of the one currently under discussion, have been spayed or neutered, and vaccinated regularly.

Not that it is anybody's business whether we chose to spay or breed our dog, but either way you can rest assured that she is well cared for in a loving home.
 
I remember when my female cairn terrier went through this. I was in pull-ups at the time and my mom put my pull ups on her :lmao:
I felt so bad for her.
 
We just adopted a 3yr old mastiff-belonged to a breeder/shower & she needed to be fixed-just back from the vet on Friday...someone told me that when some females go into heat male dogs can go crazy-her cousin had a male barking & howling OUTSIDE their house...not sure how accurate this is. We always "fix" our pets...
 
I appreciate all of the thought you put into the post, however, I am relatively sure that no male, no matter how amorous, will jump my 7 foot high fence, nor dig through 2 feet of snow and frozen clay.

At the moment, I'm not planning on pimping her out. We will probably spay her in a few months, before her next heat cycle. The health of our older dog may determine our ultimate course of action. I agree that the possibility of water puppies is something to seriously consider, thank you for the information.

In our 20 yrs together, we have owned 4 dogs and 3 cats. Currently we have 2 dogs and 2 cats. The 3 cats all came from the animal shelter, and all of the pets, with the exception of the one currently under discussion, have been spayed or neutered, and vaccinated regularly.

Not that it is anybody's business whether we chose to spay or breed our dog, but either way you can rest assured that she is well cared for in a loving home.

Kudos to you for adopting your cats from a shelter and I don't believe anyone thinks that your dogs/cats are not well cared for. I think that it such a HOT Topic IMO due to the fact that soooooooo many perfectly fine dog/cats are put to sleep every year. It seems some of us IMO are just passionnate about spaying and neutering for that reason.
 

Kudos to you for adopting your cats from a shelter and I don't believe anyone thinks that your dogs/cats are not well cared for. I think that it such a HOT Topic IMO due to the fact that soooooooo many perfectly fine dog/cats are put to sleep every year. It seems some of us IMO are just passionnate about spaying and neutering for that reason.

I understand.

I just want everyone else to understand that after our older Westie developed an umbilical hernia at the incision site after she was spayed, we are nervous about having this one done. We could opt for laser surgery instead of the traditional method, but it is several hundred dollars more. We want to make sure that we make the right choice. Really, having her go into heat a couple of times a year is not a big deal...now that she has her own knickers!
 
I would suggest having your dog spayed...Can you say "duh"? Hello, ever heard of animal overpopulation?
 
Not that it is anybody's business whether we chose to spay or breed our dog, but either way you can rest assured that she is well cared for in a loving home.

Sorry, but as anyone on here knows, when you put it on the Dis..."my dog is in heat" it's Everyone's business. Now that you've been slammed, you're complaining??? If you want to mind your own business, don't post it on the DIS.
 
I appreciate all of the thought you put into the post, however, I am relatively sure that no male, no matter how amorous, will jump my 7 foot high fence, nor dig through 2 feet of snow and frozen clay.

At the moment, I'm not planning on pimping her out. We will probably spay her in a few months, before her next heat cycle. The health of our older dog may determine our ultimate course of action. I agree that the possibility of water puppies is something to seriously consider, thank you for the information.

In our 20 yrs together, we have owned 4 dogs and 3 cats. Currently we have 2 dogs and 2 cats. The 3 cats all came from the animal shelter, and all of the pets, with the exception of the one currently under discussion, have been spayed or neutered, and vaccinated regularly.

Not that it is anybody's business whether we chose to spay or breed our dog, but either way you can rest assured that she is well cared for in a loving home.
I don't think anybody doubts that your pets aren't well loved.

And I really have no problems with people breeding their dogs as long as it is done conscientiously; health screens, proper pre and post natal care, and most importantly, being responsible for all puppies produced for the life of the dogs.

I am of the mind set that the show breeders cannot keep up with the demand for pets. The proliferation of the designer dogs, usually in a puppy mill type setting, attests to that.

I would much rather see a lay person do careful research on their dog, the dog they are breeding it to, do all the health screenings so that the puppies stand the best chance of being genetically disease free, but not worry about top lines, heads, color etc than having Joe down the street say to Neighbor Sally - hey, I have a male and you have a girl, wanna stud them an make lots of money?

It doesn't work that way. I have seen too many people become surprised at the costs of letting little Billy witness the miracle of birth.

Emergency c-sections (and not just for water babies - that was just one example), vet visits for all kinds of things that can go wrong before or after birth or even the irate puppy buyer that retains a lawyer because the family unknowingly sold a puppy with a heart defect and didn't think to have a contract in place to protect them and now has a lawyer demanding thousands of dollars to fix the heart problem.

Breeding is expensive. You rarely make a profit, unless you are skimping on proper vet care, on a litter.

People should research all the pros and cons of breeding before they make that decision, including the very real possibility of losing your beloved pet during the birthing process. Some of the realities of breeding are not so pretty.
 
I don't understand why some are automatically assuming that the OP is a backyard breeder because her girl isn't spayed yet.

She stated that she thought she had 9 months between estrus cycles. That doesn't say informed breeder/owner to most of us familiar with dogs. It does sound like she is a loving and caring owner.
 
While spaying a female before her 2nd cycle does seem to reduce the chance of mammary tumors; current research is showing that early spaying can cause a host of other issues.

Spaying, which removes the ovaries, eliminates secretion of the hormones estrogen and progesterone. Neutering, the removal of the testes, eliminates secretion of testosterone.

These hormones play a large role in growth through puberty.

In Golden Retrievers early spaying has been linked to improper growth (narrowed heads/body and other orthopedic abnormalities) as well as increased thyroid issues and decreased longtivity.

Early spaying is now done as a convenience for pet owners and because of over-population.

I'm not going to knock the over-population issue and all my animals will be spayed... just not at an early age.

For our new puppy we do have a clause in our contract that she be spayed but the breeder recommends that it not be done until 12-16 months.

Here is some current research on the subject:

http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf

http://www.akcchf.org/pdfs/whitepapers/3-23-08DiscoveriesArticle.pdf
 
Our Shih Tzu was adopted when she was 2 years old. She had belonged to a "backyard breeder" and had already had 2 litters. She had complications with her last litter so she served no purpose for them any more.

I planned to let her settle in & then have her spayed. But within a week she went into "heat". This was our first experience living with this situation and I have no idea how people can live with this every 6 months. What a mess! We bought her the little doggie panties with the pads and she peed in them, tore them off, just made an even bigger mess! I was so happy when I was able to spay her. For her & for us!

A year later, we found a breast tumour. It was removed & luckily was benign. But we will watch her closely for the rest of her life due to her significant risk of breast cancer.

Years earlier we had adopted a Toy Poodle who had malignant breast cancer at the age of 6 years. She was also a breeding dog & her "breeder" only kept her alive long enough to wean her litter & then wanted her euthanized due to her breast cancer. Well, once I met her that was not going to happen! She was treated for her cancer & survived, developed several more tumours to the point where most of her breasts were removed.

So, early spaying is essential to prevent breast cancer. Spaying in general is important to prevent pyometra. And unwanted pregnancy. And ovarian & uterine cancer. And some other conditions which are exacerbated by hormones such as seizures, skin diseases and behaviour problems.

Not to forget the boys! Prostate disease (except cancer unfortunately), testicular torsions, cancers and behaviour problems.

So, spay & neuter! Do it early! Do it often! ;);)

I hate seeing pets who have medical problems that could have easily been prevented.

Spayed & neutered pets live longer & happier lives, :lovestruc:lovestruc
 
Our Shih Tzu was adopted when she was 2 years old. She had belonged to a "backyard breeder" and had already had 2 litters. She had complications with her last litter so she served no purpose for them any more.

I planned to let her settle in & then have her spayed. But within a week she went into "heat". This was our first experience living with this situation and I have no idea how people can live with this every 6 months. What a mess! We bought her the little doggie panties with the pads and she peed in them, tore them off, just made an even bigger mess! I was so happy when I was able to spay her. For her & for us!

A year later, we found a breast tumour. It was removed & luckily was benign. But we will watch her closely for the rest of her life due to her significant risk of breast cancer.

Years earlier we had adopted a Toy Poodle who had malignant breast cancer at the age of 6 years. She was also a breeding dog & her "breeder" only kept her alive long enough to wean her litter & then wanted her euthanized due to her breast cancer. Well, once I met her that was not going to happen! She was treated for her cancer & survived, developed several more tumours to the point where most of her breasts were removed.

So, early spaying is essential to prevent breast cancer. Spaying in general is important to prevent pyometra. And unwanted pregnancy. And ovarian & uterine cancer. And some other conditions which are exacerbated by hormones such as seizures, skin diseases and behaviour problems.

Not to forget the boys! Prostate disease (except cancer unfortunately), testicular torsions, cancers and behaviour problems.

So, spay & neuter! Do it early! Do it often! ;);)

I hate seeing pets who have medical problems that could have easily been prevented.

Spayed & neutered pets live longer & happier lives, :lovestruc:lovestruc

Is the increased chance of breast cancer linked to not being spayed before the first cycle, or is it more prevalent because of the pregnancies?
 
My doggie had an umbilical hernia from the fix. I adopted from the pound, and of course they do the procedure before the new owners can take a dog home. And they would not do a thing for her to fix it. Thankfully it didn't get serious, and two vets said that it wouldn't be necessary to do anything as long as it didn't change in size.
We know she had a litter before coming to us because her **** were fairly large, and over the years they shrank back a bit.

But late last year, she got a huge tumor on the underside of her. And it kept getting open sores and bleeding all over the place. I would pin a towel around her, and then put a pair of boxers over her to help keep it on. She looked so funny in it, and would just stare at me like I was nuts.

Best advice, keep a bottle of peroxide handy, and clean up anything as soon as possible.
 
Is the increased chance of breast cancer linked to not being spayed before the first cycle, or is it more prevalent because of the pregnancies?

Very good question! The simple answer is that it doesn't matter whether or not she had a litter.

When a dog goes into heat, her body prepares for pregnancy whether or not she has been bred. The hormone pattern is identical. She goes through proestrus, estrus and diestrus in both circumstances. This is very different than humans & other species.

Dogs who have had a heat, "think" they are pregnant whether or not they are. Unbred dogs can have a "false pregnancy" where they produce milk, start nesting & generally preparing for a litter than never comes. The stuffed animals get a lot of attention, though!

So, pregnancy does not increase the chance of cancer or decrease it. The risk of breast cancer is all in the hormones which are identical for dogs that have had many litters or no litters.

Spaying before the first heat eliminates all this hormone activity & this is what prevents breast cancer. After 3 heats, the risk is the same for a dog who has had 3 or a dog who has had 20. My Shih Tzu presumably only had 4 heats before her tumour.
 
I don't understand why some are automatically assuming that the OP is a backyard breeder because her girl isn't spayed yet. She may have every intention of doing health testing and showing her dog, but unless you are planning on buying a puppy from her, it's really no one's business. This is how animal rights activists like the HSUS and PETA have conditioned us to believe that all breeders are bad, when their true intention is to end ALL animal ownership in the United States.

For what it's worth, I own Great Danes, and research has shown that early spay/neuter significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer) in Danes, and other large breeds. It's one of the reasons why many breeders and dog fanciers are fighting the mandatory spay/neuter laws that are popping up all over the US thanks to the Humane Society of the United States and it's hidden agenda.

I don't think it matters if the OP is a backyard breeder or a show- dog breeder. She has a dog she may want to breed. It's her prerogative. For G's Sake! Get out of her dog's bedroom!
 








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