My dd's teacher is being too policitally correct!

[3princesses4us]

Ok, you complain that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not real and distract attention from the "real" reason for Christmas and Easter. But it could be said that your beliefs are wrong and that Jesus Christ and God are also imaginary characters that distract us from celebrating the original festivals of the shortest day and the beginning of spring.

ford family

Okay, here goes. First of all, I didn't complain about their realness, just stated that fact to the poster who still seemed sad about the nun letting her in on that in 2nd grade!
Secondly, I won't even touch your second comment. I don't know why you've chosen to attack only me, but clearly your issue isn't with me but who lives in me. You go right ahead and celebrate the shortest day of the year. The rest of us will celebrate Christmas. I'm done with you.

 

[3princesses4us]

I go back to this statement and I for one wondered why you were pointing out the obvious. I'm guessing you do realize that none of us believe in Santa, right? So why did you choose to say that?

The rest of your point, I get, I think. Are you just trying to say that even you aren't crazy about Santa and the Easter Bunny, because they kind of steal the thunder during the holiday season? Because I agree that Christians may tend to focus a little too much on that stuff, but for non-Christians, who cares?

Inga, I think you and I are on the same side so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up but I'll try to clarify. The only reason I mentioned that they weren't real was because palmtreegirl seemed a little bitter still about the fact that a nun (comparing her beliefs to mine I guess) ruined the "surprise" that SC and the Easter bunny were not really real. I found it funny that she still seemed peeved over that happening to her in the 2nd grade, so I was pointing out to her that it shouldn't still be a shock to her that they weren't real. That's it.
The second time I mentioned it is because Ford Family decided to jump in and go after me quoting only that line and yet going off on something about my ancestors changing the holiday initially so again I asked him what his statement had to do with the fact that I was pointing out to palmtreegirl that they aren't real, why be sad. Only tried to make the obvious statement once and still don't understand what your problem with it is.
The problem with this thread is that people who call Jesus irrelevant are defended as are Muslims who are described as peaceful and loving people, but go after Santa Claus and the Easter bunny and look out! I for one am tired of it. I'm not going to change anyone's mind and they're certainly not going to change mine. This thread is screaming to be closed...

 

[SamRoc]

Well, since I started this thread, maybe it should be closed after I make this post. My dd is standing up for her right to sing about Jesus, and she doesn't care that her teacher told her she can't. She found it was 2 jewish girls who complained (maybe they were jealous they never get solos) who knows their motivation. Some of the songs that are supposed to be sung are jewish and contain the words "praise ruth" and Israel. All which have nothing to do with what we as Catholics believe in, and as some other posters have said, are irrelevant to us. She has sung songs about hanukkah and dreidals before, she doesnt mind singing songs about other peoples faith, shes not prejudiced. But it seems like Jewish people in her school really have a problem with hearing Jesus' name. What are their ears going to fall off? give me a break! My dd is going to sing "praise Jesus, praise the Lord" to the high heavens! and if it gets her in trouble in school, well then its worth it, because of 2 jewish girls who said they and their parents will be insulted to hear the word Jesus. who cares, the decision is made, my dd is singing the song the way its supposed to be sung, from her heart.

 

[JoiseyMom]

I have a feeling (hope) that we are not so far apart in this discussion, but we are misunderstanding each other. Are you willing to say that Jesus has the same impact for Jews as Mohammed, for example, has for Christians? Because in a way that people just don't think about much that it's true, historically speaking, as you say. Because like it or not we are all connected in that way. We all have Father Abraham. I'm not sure that Jews realize how much we study what we call "the old testament" and how big a part of our religion is can be. (although as a catholic I'm more focused on the Gospels).

I'm not sure that you are intending to recruit for Jews for Jesus with your statements, are you? You are just reminding us of our connection. Am I right (wrong? close? )

That's why, I hope we can come to the day that mere artistic expressions of a person's religion will stop being so shocking and offensive to each other. We do all have a connection, after all.

I think most Jews do realize how much Christians rely on our bible, your old testatment. Lets get real, if it wasn't for the Jewish Religion, there would be no Christianity, Jesus, or Islam. That is why logically I will never understand the hatred for the Jewish race by those that preach "religion".

 

[JoiseyMom]

Well, since I started this thread, maybe it should be closed after I make this post. My dd is standing up for her right to sing about Jesus, and she doesn't care that her teacher told her she can't. She found it was 2 jewish girls who complained (maybe they were jealous they never get solos) who knows their motivation. Some of the songs that are supposed to be sung are jewish and contain the words "praise ruth" and Israel. All which have nothing to do with what we as Catholics believe in, and as some other posters have said, are irrelevant to us. She has sung songs about hanukkah and dreidals before, she doesnt mind singing songs about other peoples faith, shes not prejudiced. But it seems like Jewish people in her school really have a problem with hearing Jesus' name. What are their ears going to fall off? give me a break! My dd is going to sing "praise Jesus, praise the Lord" to the high heavens! and if it gets her in trouble in school, well then its worth it, because of 2 jewish girls who said they and their parents will be insulted to hear the word Jesus. who cares, the decision is made, my dd is singing the song the way its supposed to be sung, from her heart.

As a women of the Jewish faith, I can understand why the girls might feel offended by the mention of Jesus in a song being sung in a public school. Yes, and some of the Jewish songs that praise Ruth and Israel, are all out of what Christians refer to the old testament. Well, by your statment that Catholics don't believe in Ruth, Ruth is in the old testament. Israel is in the old testament. The foundation of all Chrisitianity is based on the old testament. The old testament has Abraham, and Ruth and Isaac and Moses, shall I go on. The old testament is ALL Judaism. Your religion is born out of Judaism. So singing songs that talk about "old testament" should not offend you.
But, singing songs about the old testament should not be allowed, if songs about the new testament aren't going to be allowed. I do believe that if you allow songs for one religion then others MUST be allowed. In that respect, the girls are wrong, and so are the teachers. The gospel song should stay in, unless they also take out all the Jewish songs.

 

[cardaway]

My dd is going to sing "praise Jesus, praise the Lord" to the high heavens! and if it gets her in trouble in school, well then its worth it, because of 2 jewish girls who said they and their parents will be insulted to hear the word Jesus. who cares, the decision is made, my dd is singing the song the way its supposed to be sung, from her heart.

Exactly why our schools are doomed.

 

[lw49033]

I'm all for keeping religion out of the classroom, but frankly, I'm tired of having to hide the fact that I am a Christian, like it's something shameful or something.

Check out this interesting poll and maybe you'll begin to see why some people think it is shameful:

Americans, especially Catholics, approve of torture

Percent saying using "torture against suspected terrorists in order to gain important information" is often or sometimes justified:

Catholics: 56%
White Protestants: 49%
White Evangelicals: 49%
Total Public: 46%
Secular: 35%

 

[Miss Inga Depointe]

Check out this interesting poll and maybe you'll begin to see why some people think it is shameful:

Americans, especially Catholics, approve of torture

Percent saying using "torture against suspected terrorists in order to gain important information" is often or sometimes justified:

Catholics: 56%
White Protestants: 49%
White Evangelicals: 49%
Total Public: 46%
Secular: 35%

How dare you! That was a low blow, and to suggest that this has anything to do with me not being ashamed of my religion! Do you really want to start trading insults like this? Man, that's it for me.

I get it it now, don't worry.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Exactly why our schools are doomed.

Yeah, right.

Crop the post and claim doom

 

[lw49033]

How dare you! That was a low blow, and to suggest that this has anything to do with me not being ashamed of my religion! Do you really want to start trading insults like this? Man, that's it for me.

How ironic, since the poll suggests that you guys approve of low blows.

 

[Miss Inga Depointe]

Yes it's true, there are some Christians that hate Jews. I don't know any personally, but I read the news.

Now I see the feeling is mutual. Why don't you just start a new thread "Why Christians Suck", since that's really what alot of you want to get out of your systems.

OK now I really am done.

 

[Talking Hands]

Ok, I must disagree, not all kids/people live for Santa and the Easter Bunny. Of course Christian kids do, and that is fine. I never did, and neither do my kids. We don't believe in Santa or the Easter Bunny. My kids understand that they are all associated with a Christian Holiday. No matter how commericalized they are, they are still Christian Holiday's.

As another poster said earlier, only one song from Fiddler can be considered "Jewish", and that is the one on the Sabbath Prayer. Only one other song can be considered "Jewish".

The songs from Fiddler are as follows:
Tradition
Matchmaker
If I Were A Rich Man
**Sabbath Prayer
**To Life
Miracle of Miracles
Tevye's Dream
Sunrise Sunset
Do You Love Me
Far From The Home I Love
Anatevka

Again, only the ones with the ** can be considered "Jewish" or a better term is religious.

Oh, btw, there are other Musicals that I am sure have been sung in Chorus's of public schools:
Soundtracks: Jesus Christ Superstar
Godspell (Oh man do I LOVE this soundtrack)
Joseph And The Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat (very popular for school plays)

No Santa and the Easter Bunny are not Christian at all and have no place in the Christian holidays of Christmas and Easter. They are both marketing tools of the secular world.

Joseph and his Technicolor Dream Coat is not a Christian play. It come from the Old Testament not the New.

 

[ChubbyHubby]

I'm not sure what persecution you have experienced, but I think overall most Christians feel that Jews and Christians worship and love the same God and He loves us.

From nursery through 3rd grade, I lived in a little town in southern Illinois where we were one of two Jewish families. The town was primarily southern Baptist. The Catholics, blacks and Jew (me) were placed in the "slow" class and the principal (who believed that Jesus was a white supremacist and that’s OK with him) got furious with me when I won most of the academic awards in the school. The district superintendent questioned the principal for two hours why the top achiever was in the slow class. The principal called me “ a four-eye Jew who had no place in his school.”

My first experience with Jesus was at the hands of other children in my neighborhood in this town. After a Sunday sermon, they came to me asked if I believed in Jesus. I said “No.” They said if you don’t believe in him then you are going to hell and “to protect me from myself” they beat me up and dragged me to their church (only a block away) and tried to baptize me. In a last ditch effort I escaped breaking the baptismal bowl. The minister did not stop the boys and tried to get my parents to pay for the bowl.

It has taken me years to get over that experience and I have still have trouble entering churches. I only go for my 12-step meetings and friends weddings. When I was in Paris, I refused to go into Notre Dame.

Extreme beliefs bring extremist actions.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Check out this interesting poll and maybe you'll begin to see why some people think it is shameful:

Americans, especially Catholics, approve of torture

Percent saying using "torture against suspected terrorists in order to gain important information" is often or sometimes justified:

Catholics: 56%
White Protestants: 49%
White Evangelicals: 49%
Total Public: 46%
Secular: 35%

And what does this have to do with a girl singing a song with the word, Jesus in it??

It's just a chance for you to bash people's Christian faith with an irrelevent poll.

 

[palmtreegirl]

Uh, you do know that they aren't really real people right?

Who the nun or Santa?

 

[lw49033]

Yes it's true, there are some Christians that hate Jews. I don't know any personally, but I read the news.

Now I see the feeling is mutual. Why don't you just start a new thread "Why Christians Suck", since that's really what alot of you want to get out of your systems.

Because there wouldn't be enough bandwidth to contain it all, lol.

(I'm not Jewish, by the way.)

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

How ironic, since the poll suggests that you guys approve of low blows.

Comment of a troll.

 

[lw49033]

Better a troll than an apologist for warmongers and torturers.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

From nursery through 3rd grade, I lived in a little town in southern Illinois where we were one of two Jewish families. The town was primarily southern Baptist. The Catholics, blacks and Jew (me) were placed in the "slow" class and the principal (who believed that Jesus was a white supremacist and that’s OK with him) got furious with me when I won most of the academic awards in the school. The district superintendent questioned the principal for two hours why the top achiever was in the slow class. The principal called me “ a four-eye Jew who had no place in his school.”

My first experience with Jesus was at the hands of other children in my neighborhood in this town. After a Sunday sermon, they came to me asked if I believed in Jesus. I said “No.” They said if you don’t believe in him then you are going to hell and “to protect me from myself” they beat me up and dragged me to their church (only a block away) and tried to baptize me. In a last ditch effort I escaped breaking the baptismal bowl. The minister did not stop the boys and tried to get my parents to pay for the bowl.

It has taken me years to get over that experience and I have still have trouble entering churches. I only go for my 12-step meetings and friends weddings. When I was in Paris, I refused to go into Notre Dame.

Extreme beliefs bring extremist actions.

I did not know this thread was about extremists! It's about a girl singing a song (and PC nonsense).

 

[Talking Hands]

Some Jews believe he existed. Some don't. Most don't care either way..He's simply irrelevent

FTR,My kids school had Christmas songs and Chanukah songs at their concerts,including songs about Jesus,and all this in liberal Rhode Island

What do you call Chritmas Songs. If the were ehat is done in our schools I would say they are not. Rudolph and Santa is Coming to Town, etc are not Christmas songs. They are secular songs about make believe characters used by the secular media to encourage the sale of merchandise to fill the coffers of business. Now if they are using things like Silent Night and Emmanuel then I agree these are Christian music.