My dd's teacher is being too policitally correct!

[MsLeFever]

at school they can teach you about channaca (sorry i cant spell ) and kwanza but not christmas.

Just FYI (for what it's worth) Kwanza isn't a religious holiday.

 

[Charade]

Just FYI (for what it's worth) Kwanza isn't a religious holiday.

It's a African-American cultural celebration. Part of American culture is celebrating Christmas.

 

[3princesses4us]

You complained about commercial interests hijacking your holidays but the practise of giving gifts at "christmas" and venerating the rabbit at "easter" both PRECEDE your religion by thousands of years and based on, probably, more credible cause.

ford family

Show me where I used the word "hijacked". I said they can be a distraction from the real reason many people celebrate Christmas- the birth of Christ. I also said that SC didn't offend me personally because my children also get a good dose of the nativity scene and Luke chapter 2 at Christmastime.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Jesus may not have an impact on individual Jewish faith because that person doesn't allow Him to. BUT, He has had impact on the Jewish faith as a whole historically. He is the Messiah that the Old Testament predicts. This is a huge impact on the Jewish faith AS A WHOLE.

I was asked about the Jewish POV..From the Jewish POV Jesus has NO effect on Judaism,as he is NOT the moshiach,...In fact,he's not even close..He has ZERO effect on the Jewish faith

 

[bicker]

No, I can't speak for all of them, but I don't think I implied I could.

I said, "Many Christians would be offended...." Your reply to that was, "We are Christians, & I've never been offended..." I think there was some miscommunication: My point was that "Many Christians would be offended...." -- not that every Christian would be offended. I hope that clears it up.

 

[ncbyrne]

Separation of church and state does not include freedom from religion. This whole banter has gotten so out of control. Makes me wonder who is running the world....oh wait, I know! So do you - it's a scary thought isn't it. Today is the day, don't tarry.

 

[bicker]

Separation of church and state does not include freedom from religion.

It does include freedom from paying taxes towards the veneration of another religion.

TMakes me wonder who is running the world....oh wait, I know!

Mother Gaia, of course.

 

[Disney1fan2002]

I guess Country Music singers have been "offending" people for decades.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

I said, "Many Christians would be offended...." Your reply to that was, "We are Christians, & I've never been offended..." I think there was some miscommunication: My point was that "Many Christians would be offended...." -- not that every Christian would be offended. I hope that clears it up.

It obviously is a misintrepretation of words. When I said we, I meant my DH, DS, & me. That's about as far as "we" goes in my life. I do think you'd be surprised by the number of Christians who would be offended though. The old adage, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." applies in this situation as well.

 

[JoiseyMom]

We aren't christian and we celebrate the Easter Bunny and Santa like crazy in this house. To us life is to be celebrated and we want to try it all. Why not celebrate just for the fun of it?

ETA: I see both Santa and the Easter Bunny kind of like Mickey Mouse and the princesses. It's just fun to believe in them and the good that they stand for.

Well, my kids know that Santa isn't real and Santa is for Christmas, and we don't do Christmas. The Easter Bunny, is...well it is Easter, and we don't do Easter. They watch the the Santa movies on tv, and Rudolph, but that is about it. I am not going to put Santa decorations or Easter Egg decorations in my house, because we don't do those holidays. For the people that aren't Christian, and still do those things, that is great. I can't, and don't see any possible way of fitting those things in my life with my religious beliefs. They just don't mix.

I had a mom in my son's pre-school class get annoyed at me, because my DS4 told her DS4 that Santa wasn't real. I looked at her like she had two heads, and said, our kids go to a Jewish pre-school, and there was nothing wrong with what my son said. And the only time the kids are together are in school, which happens to take place in a temple. I asked her why she has her Jewish sons believe in Santa and Christmas, and she said because she doesn't want them to feel left out. I didn't say anything to her, but to me, that was absurd. Her dh hates that she does it. Everytime my son asks why we don't do Christmas, I tell him we are Jewish and we have Chanukah instead, and you get 8 days of presents instead of just one. He likes the idea.

 

[JoiseyMom]

Ok..so in "To Life" it mentions God and Heaven..that is ok but not Jesus?

Also If I am not mistaken the Jewish faith believes in that Jesus existed, they just don't think he was the Messiah, he was just a man. (if I remember correctly from my Religions of the Worlds class)

I could almost guarantee you that no one would even pay any attention to the word Jesus in the song.

The Jewish faith as a religion, as far as I know doesn't touch on anything about Jesus. I am sure there are Jewish scholars that debate the issues, but who knows. As a person of the Jewish faith, I believe that Jesus was a man, and lived and died. He was born Jewish, was a Rabbi and a carpenter, and was crusified by the Romans. He is a part of history, like Cesar and Cleopatra.

 

[JoiseyMom]

Wow, I couldn't disagree with you more on this statement. Most (if not all) Christians I know of (myself included) not only don't live for Santa and the Easter bunny, we're the ones who find them quasi-offensive. They are distractions to the real reason we celebrate these holidays. Santa takes the focus off of Jesus and the Easter bunny off the ressurrection of Christ.
Don't get me wrong, I see them everywhere and I'm not offended that they're there, but I do know what their purpose is- to distract...
And to the OP, good for your DD. Mine would be hurt as well. Reading these posts makes me glad as a conservative Republican Christian that I live in the Bible belt. On my DDs spelling list the week before Christmas were the words "King, Lord and Baby Jesus" and not one person complained.

I did not say Christians live for Santa and the Easter Bunny. I was responding to another poster who said that kids lived for it, and I said that I disagreed with her, that they don't.

 

[SRUAlmn]

I did not say Christians live for Santa and the Easter Bunny. I was responding to another poster who said that kids lived for it, and I said that I disagreed with her, that they don't.

I actually said the kids in MY class live for it. Not all kids. Just to clarify again.

 

[goofy's friends]

No. Jesus has an impact on your faith, Christianity, but to Jews he means nothing at all. We never think of Jesus at all unless we are being persecuted in his name.

Punkin, I don't think you get what I am saying. You are pointing out how he doesn't impact you individually (or others you know) If you go back and read what I wrote, you would see that I am talking about Jesus affecting the Jewish religion historically. Individually, that is a choice a person makes--whether or not Jesus affects them. Jesus impacted the Jewish religion in a huge way. That's all I'm saying.

 

[JoiseyMom]

Jesus may not have an impact on individual Jewish faith because that person doesn't allow Him to. BUT, He has had impact on the Jewish faith as a whole historically. He is the Messiah that the Old Testament predicts. This is a huge impact on the Jewish faith AS A WHOLE.

Wow nellie. Umm...WRONG. This is your belief. This is not a belief by those of the Jewish Faith. First of all the bible (it isn't the old testatment to us), it is just the bible, since it is the only one that exists for us. Jesus has no impact on us historically as the Messiah. Jews are still waiting for the Messiah, hence why we don't belive in Jesus. His impact as the Messiah is for Chrisitians. The only impact Jesus has had on those of the Jewish faith is his death as an excuse to hate and persecute those of the Jewish faith as his killers.

 

[Nancy]

The Jewish faith as a religion, as far as I know doesn't touch on anything about Jesus. I am sure there are Jewish scholars that debate the issues, but who knows. As a person of the Jewish faith, I believe that Jesus was a man, and lived and died. He was born Jewish, was a Rabbi and a carpenter, and was crusified by the Romans. He is a part of history, like Cesar and Cleopatra.

That is basically what I was trying to get across and what I remember from my studies of the Jewish religion.

 

[JoiseyMom]

It's a African-American cultural celebration. Part of American culture is celebrating Christmas.

American culture doesn't celebrate Christmas. American Christians celebrate Christmas. I am an American and I don't consider Christmas part of my culture. Thanksgiving is American culture, mothers day, fathers day, Labor day, Memorial day. Those are American Culture. Christmas is a religious holiday, it celebrates the birth of Jesus, nothing American culture in that.

 

[JoiseyMom]

Punkin, I don't think you get what I am saying. You are pointing out how he doesn't impact you individually (or others you know) If you go back and read what I wrote, you would see that I am talking about Jesus affecting the Jewish religion historically. Individually, that is a choice a person makes--whether or not Jesus affects them. Jesus impacted the Jewish religion in a huge way. That's all I'm saying.

The only way Jesus affected the Jewish religion, again is because of him we were persecuted. On the other hand, the Jewish religon had a HUGH impact on Jesus and Chrisitianty .

 

[JoiseyMom]

That is basically what I was trying to get across and what I remember from my studies of the Jewish religion.

Well, you remembered correctly !!

 

[goofy's friends]

Wow nellie. Umm...WRONG. This is your belief. This is not a belief by those of the Jewish Faith.

Yes, I agree, this is my individual belief. Therefore, He impacts my life. Those of the Jewish faith choose not to believe this and therefore He does not impact their individual lives.


First of all the bible (it isn't the old testatment to us), it is just the bible, since it is the only one that exists for us.

I get this too.


Jesus has no impact on us historically as the Messiah. Jews are still waiting for the Messiah, hence why we don't belive in Jesus.

Right...... individual beliefs.


His impact as the Messiah is for Chrisitians.

Thank God


The only impact Jesus has had on those of the Jewish faith is his death as an excuse to hate and persecute those of the Jewish faith as his killers.

It was God's plan for Jesus to die on the cross as a way for our salvation.
This is what Christians believe--There is no reason to hate the Jews for that?????





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