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[TurboKitty]

I worry about Lupin because Pettigrew getting that silver arm doesn't bode well to me. (werewolves and silver. *shudder*) I am very curious to see if Harry sparing Pettigrew's life at the end of POA will have any effect on Pettigrew's actions in DH, as Dumbledore predicted.

I am also terrified the twins won't survive the last book. JK said she "saved" one person she thought would die in book seven, but two others had to die in that person's place. My mind immeadiately went to the twins, then to Bill and Fleur, neither pair I want to die!

 

[TinkInPink]

Just joining in!

I'm sure many will die and it will be a tearful book.But what i like about Jk is that she never has a death just to have death in her books. every character that dies will effect the story somehow in the end. I am hoping that she doesn't kill Hermione, Ron, or Harry, i would be devastated. since i am so into the books they seem so real to me. the main person i want to live is Hermione only because i see so much of myself in her.

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

I worry about Lupin because Pettigrew getting that silver arm doesn't bode well to me. (werewolves and silver. *shudder*)

You know what? I honestly hadn't even thought of that. That is very interesting, and it could definitely be a bad thing for Lupin should Pettigrew use the silver arm against him. Hmmm...

I am hoping that she doesn't kill Hermione, Ron, or Harry, i would be devastated. since i am so into the books they seem so real to me. the main person i want to live is Hermione only because i see so much of myself in her.

I know how you feel, I love Hermione as well I loved her from the very first moment we were introduced to her in SS on the train and she informed Ron, in a slightly snotty manner , that his spell wasn't very good. She's so insecure sometimes, so unsure of herself...but Hermione is one of the strongest characters in the series. She's so much more brave and loyal than a lot of people give her credit for. Same goes for Ron. I think those two tend to get overshadowed by Harry a lot but they are so important to him. He really could not have survived their years at Hogwarts without them.

 

[TinkInPink]

I agree. I hope Hermione will get to get back at Snape in the end (she deserves it! )

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[JunieJay]

I worry about Lupin because Pettigrew getting that silver arm doesn't bode well to me. (werewolves and silver. *shudder*)

Good point and one I hadn't thought of either. *shuddering* too by the thought of werewolves and silver.

I'd hate for Lupin to die. Of all the adults, the hardest deaths for me would be Molly, Lupin and Hagrid, in that order. Molly because she has been the closest thing to a mother for Harry, Lupin because he's had such a hard life and has finally found happiness with Tonks, and Hagrid because he is so child like and pure. I can't even bear to think of any of these three dying.

 

[tw1nsmom]

JunieJay,

You mentioned Vernon and Petunia as still being a possibility for death. What if it comes down to the love thing in the end? I know it's a very long shot, but what if there was some residual familial love left in her that can protect Harry in the end and leads to her demise. Or...maybe Voldemort comes after Harry right after his birthday (DD tells Harry to go back to his Aunt and Uncles, he'll be protected by the magic until he turns 17), and one of the Dursleys are killed.

 

[LuvN~Travel]

This seems to me to be the biggest clue as well towards Snapes loyalty. If he had every intention of turning his back on the order and the protection of Harry, he could have easily caused the killing blow to Harry..instead he continued to give advice.

The other clue to me, or at least what I would like to believe is from DD's death scene when he looks at Snape and simply says "Severus, please." I would like to believe that DD would never beg for his life. He was never a man who was afraid of death, therefore would not have to plead Snape to spare him. Instead I feel it was DD asking Snape to follow through with the promise that was made, perhaps the unbreakable curse that was done to insure that Snape followed through with the one thing that he clearly did not want to do.

I just hope that July comes fast, if that really is the release date for book 7...that's one thing JKR does the best, surprising us with things that we should have known long before...the thing I love about her books is that each one leads to the next and any item or character, no matter how random in a previous book, could become an important part of the next book.

Without having read the rest of this thread so far, to me that was one of the most interesting scenes in the book. To me, when Snape yelled 'Don't call me coward', that just screamed anguish to me. What other Death Eater would be concerned with being called that just after killing the chief member of the 'other side'? All I could hear from that line was how bad Snape was hurting inside. And, I'm like others, I think he and Dumbledore knew from early on what was going to happen, and Snape was way reluctant to do it.
Kim

 

[golfgal]

Welcome to the Burrow

And I know what you mean about Lupin. He is such an interesting character. He's definitely someone who has been there for Harry since day 1. I think even before Sirius, Harry felt extremely close to Lupin because he was such good friends with his parents and so there was that connection. And Lupin is just an all around good guy. He accepts his role in the wizarding society as well, pretty much an outcast being part werewolf but accepts it with not a whole lot of anger or bitterness. I think he has had a long time to come to grips with the cards he has been dealt. Which is why I was SO happy when the Lupin/Tonks relationship came into play. That was a couple that I hadn't really seen coming but when it did come it just made a lot of sense. I'm glad he finally gave in at the end of HBP because I think Tonks is exactly what he needs in life. So since things are going well for him I do worry that JKR may kill him in book 7. That would be really awful though There are only 3 father figures Harry has left anymore: Hagrid, Arthur Weasley, and Lupin. So I'd really like to see him survive through book 7.

JKR said in one interview that the silver had won't be used to kill Remus--doesn't mean he won't die but it won't be with the silver hand.

 

[SueM in MN]

I worry about Lupin because Pettigrew getting that silver arm doesn't bode well to me. (werewolves and silver. *shudder*) I am very curious to see if Harry sparing Pettigrew's life at the end of POA will have any effect on Pettigrew's actions in DH, as Dumbledore predicted.

I am also terrified the twins won't survive the last book. JK said she "saved" one person she thought would die in book seven, but two others had to die in that person's place. My mind immeadiately went to the twins, then to Bill and Fleur, neither pair I want to die!

JKRowling has said this on her site:

Peter Pettigrew's silver hand will be used to kill Remus Lupin

Nice idea, clearly predicated on the legend that only a silver bullet can kill a werewolf – but incorrect.

This is a link to the text only part of her website:
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/rumours_view.cfm?id=38

Obviously, it doesn't mean that Lupin won't die, but it won't be the silver hand that kills him.
ADDED AFTER POSTING: I guess I was typing while golfgal was posting.

I think at least one of the Weasleys will die. I don't know who, but the twins are a good possibility. I don't want any of the Weasleys to die (if anyone has to, it should be Percy - he needs to be redeemed somehow. He disn't chose evil, but he did choose power over family and that somehow has to be resolved).

I don't think Harry will be killed off. I know some people think he (or his scar) are a horcrux, but I don't think so. I appears that it takes a lot of magic to create a Horcux and if Harry was one, it would have happened accidentally. When DD is talking about what might be a Horcrux he does mention that a living being would be too risky to make a Horcrux (especially one like a human with a lot of independent thought and if the living being died, there goes the Horcrux).
I don't think Harry will die at the end. If he did, I don't think a lot of people qouls want their children to read the books (although, she might be thinking along the lines of Lord of the Rings, when Frodo was done with his quest).

I think that since she said "scar" would be the last word in the book, it makes more sense for Harry to be alive. I can imagine the last sentence being something like, "For the first time in Harry's life, the scar was nothing more than a scar."

 

[CobraBubbles]

Without having read the rest of this thread so far, to me that was one of the most interesting scenes in the book. To me, when Snape yelled 'Don't call me coward', that just screamed anguish to me. What other Death Eater would be concerned with being called that just after killing the chief member of the 'other side'? All I could hear from that line was how bad Snape was hurting inside. And, I'm like others, I think he and Dumbledore knew from early on what was going to happen, and Snape was way reluctant to do it.
Kim

Oh definitely. Like what Hagrid said about DD and Snape getting into an argument over something (he thought it was his job) but they never went back to explain that. Authors don't throw in random stuff like that on accident.

Then when Harry and DD are getting the Horcrux, DD tells Harry to do something that is clearly harmful to him, and Harry does it. The way that JKR describes how Harry feels about himself when he does it, is the exact same as she describes the expression on Snape's face when he kills DD (sorry too lazy to look it up right now) but in general hateful and loathsome. It's eerily (coincidental? I think not) similar.

The biggest tells, in my opinion, are the 2 times that Harry is WRONG in the book, and we know he is dead wrong. (But I mean...Harry is always wrong, we should know by now to trust the opposite of whatever he says) Seriously, only listen to Hermione, Dumbledore, and Lupin the characters that we can TRUST to be right. They all believed in Snape. Anyway. When Harry is chasing Snape and a deatheater Crucio's him, he mentions that he's going to be tortured to death by Snape. 2 seconds later we find that it isn't Snape at all, but Snape who saves him. JKR is a tricky lady, but what more brilliant writing than to put Snape as red herring again (torturer) and then absolve him 2 seconds later. What a really RANDOM thing to put in there. Or not. Clearly it's highlighting that Harry, like always, is wrong about Snape. Plus, don't you love how Snape is still teaching Harry when he's getting away. He doesn't capture him...he just tells him WHAT he has to do "Shut your mouth and your mind" interesting.

The second thing Harry is wrong about: At the end, Harry tells everyone 'DD's reasons for trusting Snape' even though DD NEVER told him his reasons, and everyone just believes it. So, clearly there's more to that. I have a feeling there will be much more at Godric's Hollow.

If Snape were bad it would have come out in book 7 to be a big plot twist...therefore the plot will clearly twist in the other dirrection.

 

[RrCoAsTeR]

I think RAB is Regulis. I think there's a lot about him we haven't heard yet.
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So do I, especial since in the dutch version og the books, the last initial is differnt, the last letter is the first letter of the word meaning "black"

I agree with everyone's thoughts on Snape.
I so badly wish h e was evil, but JKR won't make it that easy

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

JKR said in one interview that the silver had won't be used to kill Remus--doesn't mean he won't die but it won't be with the silver hand.

Oh ok, I didn't hear that. Well, there goes one theory. Hopefully, Lupin wont die at all. I really, really would prefer it if Lupin didn't die. The poor guy has already been through so much, it would be really great to see him live

I think that since she said "scar" would be the last word in the book, it makes more sense for Harry to be alive. I can imagine the last sentence being something like, "For the first time in Harry's life, the scar was nothing more than a scar."

That would be a really good ending. I am honestly still torn on whether I think Harry is going to die in book 7 or not. I really want him to live but I just don't know how JKR is going to end it. Obviously, I would love an ending like the one you mentioned but there's still a side of me that feels like JKR may kill Harry.

 

[piglet too]

I was discussing this thread with my DH last night, and he came up with this.

He does not feel the scar is a horocrux because Voldemort would not be trying to kill Harry if it was.

 

[justaquestion]

Helloooo fellow muggles!!!

I won't jump in just yet, but is anyone else looking at the arrival of the book as bittersweet?

I'm sad everytime I finish the new books, but happy there will be another one.

I'm going to be depressed for a week after this last one!

 

[golfgal]

I was discussing this thread with my DH last night, and he came up with this.

He does not feel the scar is a horocrux because Voldemort would not be trying to kill Harry if it was.

Good point!

 

[N&B'smom]

What a great idea for a thread!! I'm addicted to all things Harry Potter. I just re-read The Order of the Pheonix last week. I've even managed to get my hubby hooked! He's listened to both the Order and Half Blood Prince on his iPod. He's now gotten the rest of the series as well.

I just LOVE these books and am counting down until the next. I was heartbroken regarding DD. He was my favorite character. I will never be able to view Snape the same way again. I don't care if there was some special reason behind what he did, I just can't help but despise him. I've never seen him as being on DD's side, always saw him as a Death Eater.

I'm going to go back and start at the beginning of this thread now!

Shelby

 

[CobraBubbles]

It is bittersweet, and I almost wouldn't be mad if the book didn't come out on time, just to hold it out a little longer. It will be over then...and that's sad...

 

[va32h]

I was discussing this thread with my DH last night, and he came up with this.

He does not feel the scar is a horocrux because Voldemort would not be trying to kill Harry if it was.

The "Harry is a Horcrux" people explain that away by saying that Harry is an accidental Horcrux.

There are lots of different theories but the basic idea is: Voldemort is planning to make his final Horcrux when he kills Harry at Godric's Hollow. So he brings whatever object he was going to use as the Horcrux with him.

Now comes the tricky part...we don't know exactly how you make a Horcrux. You have to split your soul via murdering someone, but what is the specific process by which you encase the soul fragment? Is it a spell you say before or after you do the killing?

If we assume that you have to prepare the Horcrux before you do the killing, then Voldemort kills Lily, says the Horcrux spell, prepares to kill Harry, his AK spell backfires, so there's a Horcrux spell on the loose and a soul fragment flying around and Harry (or his scar) gets accidentally made into a Horcrux.

Are you with me so far?

Personally, I do not buy this theory. For several reasons, mainly because it just strikes me as too cheesy for JKR.

But using the same logic as the pro-scar people, since Voldemort did not succeed in killing Harry, he would not have torn his soul at that moment, so there wouldn't be a soul fragment to go into the Horcrux. Of course, Voldemort did just kill Lily and James, so we have those soul fragments, but if Voldemort did not designate those fragments for the Horcrux, they wouldn't just go there on their own, would they? After all, Voldemort has murdered dozens, maybe hundreds of people, and only made 6 horcruxes, so clearly you can't make a horcrux just by murdering someone - you have to cast some other kind of spell.

Still with me? Whew. These discussions must sound insane to anyone who hasn't read the books.

I believe, and JKR has said, that Dumbledore is a character that she uses to communicate facts to the audience. Dumbledore said the horcruxes were: the diary, the ring, the locket, the cup, the snake, and something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's. And that's exactly what I think they are.

 

[Lanshark]

Does this mean I'm now in a clique...

I can't wait to read through this whole thing.

 

[poohbear919]

Okay - I've read through this entire thread and have enjoyed seeing everyone's thoughts...

Is there room for one more of Dumbledore's Army to join in at the Burrow?

I'm ashamed to say that it's been a long while since I've finished HBP, though this thread has inspired me to begin rereading it again tonight!

My view on Snape is that he ultimately wants to live up to all Dumbledore constantly defended him as being... That in the end he will prove he's been on the Order's side the entire time - though he's had to behave nastily much of the time.

As for the horcruxes - I feel that va32h put it perfectly:

I believe, and JKR has said, that Dumbledore is a character that she uses to communicate facts to the audience. Dumbledore said the horcruxes were: the diary, the ring, the locket, the cup, the snake, and something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's.

On to RAB - my gut is telling me that it's Regulus - I'm not sure why, it just does!

I'm so glad to have stumbled upon this thread and find so many other Harry Potter fans out there...