Mother forces son to drink hot sauce as punishment

...I was spanked growing up and I'm just fine. ;) ...

Sorry, but that just isn't possible. You are just so emotionally disconnected that you don't recognize your scars. But worry not. I am sure that about 20 years of therapy would straighten you right out. :thumbsup2
 
I remember seeing this a few months ago and this "monster" disgusts me. The worst part about this videotape for me is that she seems to be enjoying herself as she's doing this, and having her 10 year old biological child tape the act is repulsive. I know we've all done things as parents that we're not proud of but this crosses the line.
 
When I did my student teaching my co-op teacher was telling me about a little boy who was adopted from I think Russia or Poland, can't remember which, but from what she was telling me behaviorally he was awful, biting teachers, at recess he would hold on to the fence and clinch his hands so he wouldn't have to come in, the principal and gym teacher would have to come and have him removed from the fence, he would curse constantly (this was kindergarten), hit other kids, etc. She said whenever she would play a specific song, I think it was the hokie pokie he would FLIP OUT like totally lash out! They tried to get him classified as ED and sent out to a special school but I think his parents didn't want him evaluated.
She said she felt so bad for the parents b/c they adopted this child and wanted him so badly but she thought maybe he had been so damaged from his past life in an orphanage that he still continued to act out (not being able to express his hurt/anger in any other way). My co-op teacher worked with him daily, they grew a very close bond and his behavior got better from there, by the end of the year she wasn't sending notes him and he sobbed when he had to leave her class. O and I also remember her saying there was no birth certificate for him, they "guessed" he was 5 or 6.
I guess what I am saying is this situation WON'T get any better with the way she is treating him, after what he may have been through he needs someone who he is able to trust and can show him love, not bully him around. And obviously they both need some sort of counseling.
 
Honestly, I feel bad for everybody involved. What she is doing is horrible, but I am not ready to crucify her yet.

It sounds like she is at her wit's end. In the GMA link, she said that she had tried other methods like time out and it was a joke (her quote). That it didn't work. She does not do this to the other kids by the sounds of it (not that that makes it any better).

Have you ever seen or worked with a kid with attachment disorders? I know a kid with Reactive Attachment Disorder. (RAD). It is bad. The kid is the same age as the kid in the video and when the child flips out, the police have to be called the child is that violent. At 7. It is frightening. The parents in the case I know are doing everything to help the child, but it is a very slow road. The prognosis for RAD can be scary.

I am not saying this in any way to condone what she did. But until I know more about what is going on, I don't want to just dismiss her as a cruel woman. Remember the woman who returned her son? He had RAD I believe and if I remember correctly, she had tried to get help and nobody would help her. They were getting death threats from the kid and were scared of him. It makes me wonder if there is a similar circumstance.

I am glad that the courts are intervening. I think the whole family needs help. They either need to get them into counseling and teach her how to work with child with attachment disorders, or remove the little boy and put him in a home that is capable of raising a child with attachment disorders.

Go back and do some research on that story. As it turns out, the adoptive mother SAID the child was RAD, but had never once taken him to a doctor of any sort to actually get a diagnosis. As for her trying to get help and nobody coming to her aid.......Since she never reported his "behavior" to anyone (doctor, social worker, adoption agency, school) and in fact, gave glowing reports to the social worker, just how was anyone supposed to help? The ONLY thing she ever did was to phone a doctor and ask a few questions, but of course the doctor wanted to see the child and she refused to do that. NOTHING about her story adds up.

I'm not saying there aren't RAD kids. There are. But in that case, everything points to a woman who never sought help of any kind, if indeed there even was a problem that warranted help. She told any and all authority figures that the child and the adoption were fine. She homeschooled the child, so there was no way a teacher could even tell you what he was like in a classroom. Total isolation. In short, I don't buy a word of her story.

I think the child didn't live up to her expectations and she sent him back to Russia with a note, thinking she could cry "RAD" and everyone would pity her. Well, not me. There is not one ounce of proof the kid had RAD....Only her word for it, and I don't think that's worth a plug nickel. In fact, this is a woman who went out of her way to make sure NO ONE could say whether the kid had RAD or not. She hid him from everyone and did everything possible to avoid getting an official diagnosis. Perhaps because she knew she couldn't GET such a diagnosis. There's a difference between an older child having trouble adjusting to a new country, language, food, customs, family, etc., and a child with RAD.

Notice she was already trying to adopt another child even as she was trying to get rid of the boy. Seriously? We're supposed to believe that a woman who swears she was in fear for her life because of the threats from her adopted child would be hot to adopt another child? Don't buy it. If she was truly so terrified that she decided to abandon the boy, there is no way she'd be an eager beaver to jump on the adoption train again immediately. Her story does not hold water. Better for her to pack him off to Russia (knowing they will never send him back to the US) and be able to give only her side of the story than to actually take him to even ONE doctor and risk that doctor saying the kid was relatively normal and that she was the one with issues.

It's bad enough she never got the child any treatment......if indeed he ever needed it. But she went out of her way to make sure he never even got a diagnosis. When the dust settled, it seemed to me SHE was the one with mental issues.

As far as "hot sauce" freak is concerned, Hillbeans is right. She was enjoying herself too much for my taste.
 

Funny, you mention spanking a child and everyone is all over you, but apparently hot sauce is ok. Good to know. NOT
 
Funny, you mention spanking a child and everyone is all over you, but apparently hot sauce is ok. Good to know. NOT

I have no problem with spanking and I have no problem if you don't want to spank your kids. I just hate seeing one person saying their way is the only way.

I don't care if you use corporal punishment or if you sit them down and sing kumbaya while you talk with them about their feelings. I notice much more of the later telling the former their way is wrong than the other way around though. Neither are wrong, they are just different.
 
I have no problem with spanking and I have no problem if you don't want to spank your kids. I just hate seeing one person saying their way is the only way.

I don't care if you use corporal punishment or if you sit them down and sing kumbaya while you talk with them about their feelings. I notice much more of the later telling the former their way is wrong than the other way around though. Neither are wrong, they are just different.

:thumbsup2
 
I have no problem with spanking and I have no problem if you don't want to spank your kids. I just hate seeing one person saying their way is the only way.

I don't care if you use corporal punishment or if you sit them down and sing kumbaya while you talk with them about their feelings. I notice much more of the later telling the former their way is wrong than the other way around though. Neither are wrong, they are just different.

I agree.
 
I have no problem with punishment, but punishment and abuse are two different things.

Punishment with love is proactive and teaches. Punishment to control or overpower is counterproductive.

The two are about as different as oil and water. There is no debate. It's the intent and the result that matters, just like in court. Her intent, not her actions, will be put on trial.
 
Funny, you mention spanking a child and everyone is all over you, but apparently hot sauce is ok. Good to know. NOT

ITA!

I saw the original show on Dr Phil and was horrified by what that woman did to that child. But I will also say that she seemed truly desperate as to what to do and was there seeking help. She seemed sincere, I give her credit for that.
 
Sorry, but that just isn't possible. You are just so emotionally disconnected that you don't recognize your scars. But worry not. I am sure that about 20 years of therapy would straighten you right out. :thumbsup2

I have no problem with spanking and I have no problem if you don't want to spank your kids. I just hate seeing one person saying their way is the only way.

I don't care if you use corporal punishment or if you sit them down and sing kumbaya while you talk with them about their feelings. I notice much more of the later telling the former their way is wrong than the other way around though. Neither are wrong, they are just different.


How can you say the first and then thumbs up FireDancer's quote? Not trying to start a rumble, I'm just curious. Seems your first quote was quite judgmental and partial, and then you thumbs up a quote about neither being wrong. Help me understand :confused3
 
To me there is a huge difference between spanking(a light swat on the rear) and forcing a child to eat hot sauce and putting him in an ice cold shower. I don't spank but believe it is a parents choice, the ice cold shower? That just seems abusive and traumatizing to me.
 
Putting hot sauce on a child's tongue and putting them in a cold shower is child abuse.
 
When my dad was little there were mothers in his neighborhood who would punish their kids by giving them enemas. I put this hot sauce, cold shower, spanking business all in the same category -- child battery. There are a lot of things you can legally do to a child in this country -- that doesn't make them right.
 
I saw the original videos on Dr. Phil.... well what I could STAND to watch. It was horrible. I couldn't imagine torturing my child like that.

Of course I understand her frustration and how you get to that point. The difference is I know when to walk away and NOT act.

I think she needs some help.
 
When my dad was little there were mothers in his neighborhood who would punish their kids by giving them enemas. I put this hot sauce, cold shower, spanking business all in the same category -- child battery. There are a lot of things you can legally do to a child in this country -- that doesn't make them right.


I agree with everything you said.

I generally don't want people or the government or whoever telling me how to discipline my kids or how to raise my kids. My father used to give me sips of wine at the table when I was 10 years old. Our dinner guests thought that was "call-the-cops-worthy". (They didn't, but they said it.) In cases like that, those people should mind their own business. But those other things parents do for punishment, well that crosses the line of what I believe is parental rights to raise their kids how they see fit and child abuse.
 
How can you say the first and then thumbs up FireDancer's quote? Not trying to start a rumble, I'm just curious. Seems your first quote was quite judgmental and partial, and then you thumbs up a quote about neither being wrong. Help me understand :confused3

The first post was sarcastic, perhaps cheeky for our friends from across the Atlantic, hence the :thumbsup2. I got what he was saying but I'll let him explain himself.
 
The first post was sarcastic, perhaps cheeky for our friends from across the Atlantic, hence the :thumbsup2. I got what he was saying but I'll let him explain himself.

Wow thanks! My snarky sensor must need tuning! LOL!!!!:lmao:
 
I agree with EMom! The mother is an abusive nutjob. Thank goodness the state of Alaska is now involved. I pray this little boy will be moved into a home where he will be loved for who he is. I am also cringing for families in the midst of the adoption process.
I have adopted children. One with a RAD dx. Let me just say most of the "specialists" in the RAD field make my skin crawl. There is an army of wackjob savers out there who actually encourage parents to torture their children under the guise of attachment therapy. It's a sad, disturbing, heartbreaking reality. (FTR, it's been many years since I've looked at who is the front runner for RAD treatment. Things could be different now. I hope to God they are!) By the time we settled on play therapy, I went in telling therapists we would not be seeking out any "specialists" in that field. If I ever considered it, they should know to have ME evaluated because I must have lost my freaking mind...
The truth is a RAD child may never be "normal" and no amount of love, therapy (or torture, in this case) will change that. It is what it is. I tell people all the time, therapy helped me more than it did my child. It helped me to really accept the "It is what it is" motto.
That video... :sad1:
Oh, and if the state of Alaska wants to give me the boy just to get him away from that monster, I'll take him. As would many others, who would never consider that "treatment" for attachment disorder.
 












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