Mother forces son to drink hot sauce as punishment

[jedijohn]

The hot sauce things is over the top...depending on how hot it was it cold lead to ulcers.

I am not sure how cold the showers were or how long the child stayed in them so maybe she took it to the extreme. We use quick, cool showers as a punishment for DS playing in his poopy diaper. We had to switch to this because we had been giving him a warm bath to clean him up and he started doing it more often.

 

[Ciciwoowoo]

Watching that video reminds me of the movie "Mommy Dearest"

Just because she isn't beating him with a wire hanger doesn't make it any less abusive.

 

[Eeyores Butterfly]

Honestly, I feel bad for everybody involved. What she is doing is horrible, but I am not ready to crucify her yet.

It sounds like she is at her wit's end. In the GMA link, she said that she had tried other methods like time out and it was a joke (her quote). That it didn't work. She does not do this to the other kids by the sounds of it (not that that makes it any better).

Have you ever seen or worked with a kid with attachment disorders? I know a kid with Reactive Attachment Disorder. (RAD). It is bad. The kid is the same age as the kid in the video and when the child flips out, the police have to be called the child is that violent. At 7. It is frightening. The parents in the case I know are doing everything to help the child, but it is a very slow road. The prognosis for RAD can be scary.

I am not saying this in any way to condone what she did. But until I know more about what is going on, I don't want to just dismiss her as a cruel woman. Remember the woman who returned her son? He had RAD I believe and if I remember correctly, she had tried to get help and nobody would help her. They were getting death threats from the kid and were scared of him. It makes me wonder if there is a similar circumstance.

I am glad that the courts are intervening. I think the whole family needs help. They either need to get them into counseling and teach her how to work with child with attachment disorders, or remove the little boy and put him in a home that is capable of raising a child with attachment disorders.

 

[mjkacmom]

Honestly, I feel bad for everybody involved. What she is doing is horrible, but I am not ready to crucify her yet.

It sounds like she is at her wit's end. In the GMA link, she said that she had tried other methods like time out and it was a joke (her quote). That it didn't work. She does not do this to the other kids by the sounds of it (not that that makes it any better).

Have you ever seen or worked with a kid with attachment disorders? I know a kid with Reactive Attachment Disorder. (RAD). It is bad. The kid is the same age as the kid in the video and when the child flips out, the police have to be called the child is that violent. At 7. It is frightening. The parents in the case I know are doing everything to help the child, but it is a very slow road. The prognosis for RAD can be scary.

I am not saying this in any way to condone what she did. But until I know more about what is going on, I don't want to just dismiss her as a cruel woman. Remember the woman who returned her son? He had RAD I believe and if I remember correctly, she had tried to get help and nobody would help her. They were getting death threats from the kid and were scared of him. It makes me wonder if there is a similar circumstance.

I am glad that the courts are intervening. I think the whole family needs help. They either need to get them into counseling and teach her how to work with child with attachment disorders, or remove the little boy and put him in a home that is capable of raising a child with attachment disorders.

This is how I feel. I'm blessed with 5 relatively easy children, who don't talk back, are very respectful, and are easy to discipline. Honestly, who is to say that I wouldn't completely lose it if I had a 7 year old like this. It looks like she just bottomed-out, and needs help. Heck, 50 years ago, these might've been widely accepted forms of discipline. One didn't think twice of nuns smacking kids' knuckles with rulers, or dads whipping the kids with belts. Sure, society has changed, but when nothing seems to be working, it's time to get help. I would think this is her, asking for help.

 

[kirstenb1]

You know a lot of people condemn hitting or spanking, yet a lot of people on this thread are giving a pass on these punishments.

We always got hit as kids. My mom had a hot temper, and we never felt she was being cruel. When she was done hitting, it was over. She was just hacked off at whatever we were doing.

But using hot sauce, or the cold shower....that actually takes planning and thought. I actually think that's more cold-blooded than just hitting someone cause you have a temper.

 

[Jennasis]

The hot sauce things is over the top...depending on how hot it was it cold lead to ulcers.

I am not sure how cold the showers were or how long the child stayed in them so maybe she took it to the extreme. We use quick, cool showers as a punishment for DS playing in his poopy diaper. We had to switch to this because we had been giving him a warm bath to clean him up and he started doing it more often.

As a punishment...or to clean him up afterwards?

 

[wvjules]

As a punishment...or to clean him up afterwards?

Sounds like both. The kid saw the warm bath as a reward. Cold bath cleans the kid up and also shows him there are unpleasant consequences to his actions.

 

[jedijohn]

Sounds like both. The kid saw the warm bath as a reward. Cold bath cleans the kid up and also shows him there are unpleasant consequences to his actions.

This. It is not ice cold or anything, nor do we put leave him under the shower for more than in necessary to get clean. We just started this yesterday so we'll see how effective it is; other people we have talked to have reported this to be an effective method.

 

[AKL_Megs]

As a kid, I got Palmolive in my mouth and was made to sit there with it. This was a punishment for any trouble my mouth got me into.

I see no issue with the hot sauce.

I don't get the cold showers, but I've heard of WORSE punishments...

 

[Jennasis]

As a kid, I got Palmolive in my mouth and was made to sit there with it. This was a punishment for any trouble my mouth got me into.

I see no issue with the hot sauce.

I don't get the cold showers, but I've heard of WORSE punishments...

As a kid I got beatings and mom LOVED to drag me around by my hair...."worse" than what the kid in the video got but I still think the mom was wrong and her actions abusive.

 

[AKL_Megs]

As a kid I got beatings and mom LOVED to drag me around by my hair...."worse" than what the kid in the video got but I still think the mom was wrong and her actions abusive.

I see her more verbally abusive than physically.

I can see a mouth of hot sauce and a cold shower in a calmer application.

 

[Eeyores Butterfly]

You know a lot of people condemn hitting or spanking, yet a lot of people on this thread are giving a pass on these punishments.

We always got hit as kids. My mom had a hot temper, and we never felt she was being cruel. When she was done hitting, it was over. She was just hacked off at whatever we were doing.

But using hot sauce, or the cold shower....that actually takes planning and thought. I actually think that's more cold-blooded than just hitting someone cause you have a temper.

I'm not one that cares for spanking or any type of corporal punishment. I have been through the foster parent training in my state, and those kinds of punishments are specifically forbidden when dealing with foster kids. I absolutely think the mother is wrong and I am not giving her a pass on her behavior. That said, I do think that this needs to be more than just a child abuse case. It sounds like both the mother and child need serious help to deal with a potentially dangerous child. (If indeed the child is RAD). I hope that all involved can get that help.

 

[mommasita]

I did not watch the video. I am not sure I can.

From what I have read here, I see both as abusive. Fear of anyone does NOT make you respect them in any way, shape, or form.

There are ways to teach your children, and this to me is SICK and very damaging. I sure hope this child gets they help they need.

 

[brockash]

You know a lot of people condemn hitting or spanking, yet a lot of people on this thread are giving a pass on these punishments.

We always got hit as kids. My mom had a hot temper, and we never felt she was being cruel. When she was done hitting, it was over. She was just hacked off at whatever we were doing.

But using hot sauce, or the cold shower....that actually takes planning and thought. I actually think that's more cold-blooded than just hitting someone cause you have a temper.

I agree with you. I know it may sound a little weird, but honestly that's really the part I can't get past. What she's doing is intentional. She's thought about, and wants to do this as a punishment. That's the tortuous part I can't get past. She's planned to do this. I'm not pro spanking really either, and I don't spank my kids, but to me...the planning part of it is what really gets me. If a parent spanks a kid at the time of something happening...I get it, not saying it's right, but I get it, they lost their temper ect. However, someone that thinks about it, and plans to do it, hours later (in the video, he was being punished because he didn't get a good report from school that day-which brings up even more issues-I can't imagine how horrible his teacher must feel, if she saw the video,) that's just disgusting.

 

[krcit]

As a kid, I got Palmolive in my mouth and was made to sit there with it. This was a punishment for any trouble my mouth got me into.

I see no issue with the hot sauce.

I don't get the cold showers, but I've heard of WORSE punishments...

I've heard of 'worse' punishments also. Still doesn't make forcibly holding your kid under a cold shower right.

 

[Jennasis]

From NBCnews:

The mom admits to spanking her child and forcing him to do jumping jacks until he's exhausted. During the show, the boy is being punished for getting "three cards pulled," three infractions at school.

 

[ccgirl]

So, would you consider putting soap in a child's mouth torture? My children got soap in their mouths for talking back. While a cold shower may not be a form of discipline I would use; how long was the shower? Guess what..I spank my children too . Perish the thought! Guess what..it is not abuse but some parents may still consider it abuse. I didn't see her making him drink it. While it was certainly more than a drop in the mouth, she didn't pour the whole bottle down his throat either. I was watching the video with mute as I'm at work so I couldn't hear any of the dialogue though.

 

[sunnyday123]

As a kid, I got Palmolive in my mouth and was made to sit there with it. This was a punishment for any trouble my mouth got me into.

I see no issue with the hot sauce.

I don't get the cold showers, but I've heard of WORSE punishments...

You know she was charged with child abuse? And you see no issue with what she did. Awesome.

 

[luvmy3]

I personally see a BIG difference between getting soap in the mouth or a dab of hot sauce (or red pepper spice as my MIL used) on the tongue than physically forcing a child to swallow a bottle of hot sauce.

 

[AKL_Megs]

You know she was charged with child abuse? And you see no issue with what she did. Awesome.

I see no issue with the hot sauce.

I have no opinions on the shower.

I find her VERY verbally abusive. I think that "hurts" the worst.

I think she should be charged.