More menu items excluded from Dining plan?!

Cannot_Wait_4Disney said:
Will they not make accomodations for those with special needs???

I suspect the accomodations are "go eat at someplace where the dessert isn't nut based." It isn't like there isn't a counter fifty yards away. Most Disney counter service restaurants have notoriously limited menus - which is good in helping Disney keep costs down, serve a lot of people efficiently etc. Tangerine is unusual (as are a few other non-Disney owned Epcot locations) in their selection. But if my choice is Tangerine on the plan, but only baklava for dessert and no Tangerine on the plan - I'd rather have the flexibility of having the choice.
 
When you all ar up in arms about people getting too much on the dining plan then think about what the food really costs Disney. Sure they are charging 37.00 for an entree but what does it cost them? That is why they can offer it.

I am doing free dining and it is also the first time I have paid rack rate ever. They are making money on me there but would be losing it on food unless you consider that my 37.00 entree costs them pennies on the dollar.

With all the money they make on food I think if they offer it free they should either give it free or CLEARLY note what isn't when you book a package.
 
DeirdreTours said:
I am pretty concerned about some of the comments I have been reading about the dining plan on assorted threads. I have read numerous comments about children being denied any appetizer at all (none listed on the children's menu and the CM refusing to offer adult appetizers). And now, I have read that some counter service places are severely limiting what is available under the plan--Like the Morrocco CS place offering only Backlava for dessert (when they have a large selection of other desserts for cash patrons). Other CS places are supposedly removing the better ice cream desserts, like Haagen Daas bars from the plan. It looks like the Dining Plan is becoming much more limited that what was originally offered, with higher priced items now being made "unavailable"!

Frankly, the only reason we are going in September this year is the dining deal. Without it, we wouldn't be going until late January (and we may have chosen Universal as the youngest is currently crazy for Suess).

The plan appealed to me because it was simple and generous. I understood that certain restaurants weren't going to be included-- but that we could order whatever we wanted at those that were. If the plan is going to be a pain in neck to follow or we will be treated like 2nd class diners (oh, no- sorry the morrocan patries are only for real cash paying customers, not meal plan people!)-- they we would rather not have it. Paying full rack for the room ($75 more per night) and full rack for the tickets ($90 for the 4 in our family that require tickets) means the "free dining" is really a cost of about $700 for us. Or about $85 a day-- this is a great deal if we can enjoy the meals we want, but no bargain at all if our favorite foods are excluded.


Even worse, many people report that CM's in reservations are not revealing any of these limitions EVEN when asked-- they are repeatedly telling us that appetizers will be served to our children and that we can order whatever we want. Heck, the CM is reservations even told me that anyone in our party, adult or child, could use any of the credits! So, I don't think calling reservations is going to allay my concerns.

I do not want to continually argue about food choices during my vacation. Nor, do I want to presented with a bill for items I thought were included in the plan (my son is old enough to go off on his own and charge snacks and counter service back to the room). And, if my DH can't have a Haagen Daas or Mickey Bar for his lunch dessert he will not be happy. The main selling point for him was that he could choose what he wanted-- not from some "limited menu".

If we could get an actual list of exactly what items are "excluded" in what venues, we could evaluate the choices (and maybe we would be content with them). But I am beginnings to suspect that what Disney is telling me in advance- Has no relation whatsoever to what is actually happening in the restaurants!

As it is, I am considering cancelling our trip alltogether. I just don't want the hassle-- I have another two weeks to decide before Disney charges a cancellation fee.

If you have recently returned, can you tell me if there were items you wanted but were denied under the plan (not items designed for 2, but regular, single serving things)? If so, what were they and how did you handle it? Did you speak to restaurant managers, go elsewhere or just accept whatever limitations were imposed?

And this surprises you because....?? Disney does NOT give a deal where they would ever come out short. AS I have said in previous threads once they peceive that it might be a value then they will change it. This has happned so many times I cannot count them. It is almost like a joke between myself and my husband. I said from the beginning that the free dining had a catch but I could not figure what it was. I guess it is almost like once they got you then they do the old bait and switch... Jello for Hagan Daaz.
 
IMHO, since I'm not "paying" for the free dining I'm not complaining. I figure whatever we can get on the plan is great, we'll just order what is included and pay extra if we really want something else. In the long run, it will save us money.
 

What about those that are paying for the dining plan? I wouldn't be complaining about anything if I wasn't paying for it. Yeah the dining plan is a good deal for us and Disney is still making money even if i go and order the $50 surf and turf.

Annie
 
vatmark said:
When I go to the resturants of my choice I am not going to look at the menu and choose the most expensive thing just because it is most expensive and i feel like I have to get my moneys worth and more. I will go there and pick what I like whether it be the most expensive or the least expensive. If they want to put surcharges on certain items that is fine but it should all be spelled out ahead of time when you get the dining plan. Not decide all of a sudden to spring it on us. They had to know when starting this dining plan that people were going to go to resturants and yes, order the $50 surf and turf.

I plan on going to Wolfgang Pucks which does indeed surcharge for certain menu items. No problem. I was told this ahead of time but still I choose to go and if the item I order happens to have a surcharge so be it. I'll pay it out of pocket. But the point is I knew about this ahead of time. If all of a sudden every resturant decides that they are surcharging for anything over say $20 after all these people boughtnhihhu,uh,h,nuyj.8ngf5sduga6cacdqa6x the plan with certain expectations. They show up at a resturant that is on the plan and go to order something and they spring it on them that anything over $20 has a surcharge then it is not fair. If this were the case I would have gone through the menus ahead of time and seen what things had surcharges and if they were things I would order and calculated if the Dining plan was indeed worth it for me.

::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes::

BTW, there is a new revised plan brochure on the site that shows that credits are still pooled and that there is still no such thing as adult credits and child credits. It does still state that a child using the plan must order from the children's menu if available.
 
KIRSTIN'S MOMMY said:
IMO, an appetizer, entre and dessert is too much food for a young child anyway.

ITA You get a TON of food with dining plan. My son and I were on the plan in April. We were never able to complete a full meal. There were a few times we didn't even bother to get a dessert.

Weren't many here just complaing about having to pay full price for kids (10 and up) and buffets a few weeks ago? If I recall, many were upset because their kids wouldn't eat enough to justify the price. Maybe a few nuggets,some mac and cheese, pizza...

How is it when the food is free or only $10.00 per night, all of a sudden the kids can pack it away?? :confused3 :rotfl2:

My son and I used the plan last spring and will use it again this fall. If there's something we want and it isn't included with the plan, I'll just pay for it.

I find it really hard to get upset and complain about something that I'm getting for free. :earboy2:
 
I did the dining plan in May, and I paid for it at the time. The Tangerine Cafe, and many other world showcase restaurants had just joined the dining plan, and the only dessert included right from the very beginning at this restaurant was the baklava. That has not changed since the very beginning, but the literature now you makes you aware of this before you go, so at least you know going in that you have only one option. In my opinion the lunch was fantastic, so if I didn't want the baklava I would pay for another dessert and be quite happy with the quality of the food I did get on the plan.
 
I know they don't have kids pizzas to avoid adults ordering kids meal

I don't think that's why they do that. There would probably be trouble with portion control over the pizzas. The pizzas are mass produced and they are all the same size, therefore the meals are all the same.

As an adult I have never had a problem ordering a kids' meal in a counter service place if I want a smaller portion. The regular portions are often huge and half ends up thrown away.
 
HayGan....

This is from another post about the 'official' policy....
Dear Muriel,

Thank you for contacting the Walt Disney World® Resort.

First, each persons alloted meals are on their individual card.

Second, while we appreciate your interest, appetizers are a component of the
adult dining plan.
Children ages 3-9 must order from the child's menu. For a greater selection you
may want to
consider our buffets.

If you have questions or need further assistance, feel free to contact us.
I have no room to complain as we are getting the plan for free. We were paying for it until the plan became free. My biggest problem is really that there is no continuity and it's all up to the CM's at that moment. You and I could be at the same restaurant, the same time and different CM's and have different answers.
 
sammax said:
I did the dining plan in May, and I paid for it at the time. The Tangerine Cafe, and many other world showcase restaurants had just joined the dining plan, and the only dessert included right from the very beginning at this restaurant was the baklava. That has not changed since the very beginning, but the literature now you makes you aware of this before you go, so at least you know going in that you have only one option.

What literature states this :confused3 There are not supposed to be limitations on the choices at each facility other than those listed at Planet Hollywood and Wolfgang Puck's.
 
LisaInNc said:
When you all ar up in arms about people getting too much on the dining plan then think about what the food really costs Disney. Sure they are charging 37.00 for an entree but what does it cost them? That is why they can offer it.

I am doing free dining and it is also the first time I have paid rack rate ever. They are making money on me there but would be losing it on food unless you consider that my 37.00 entree costs them pennies on the dollar.

With all the money they make on food I think if they offer it free they should either give it free or CLEARLY note what isn't when you book a package.

And yet think how much more they could make without the plan. Before the plan we often saw people turned away from popular restaurants, and even the unpopular ones were often busy. Disney parks and resorts have a certain gross profit target goal (or margin goal) each year. Take the margin away in restaurants, and something else gives.

Also, Disney restaurant menus change almost all the time - in the case of a place like California Grill - maybe even daily. They can't clearly communicate what is included, because the menu may change between the six months ago you booked the package and the time you travel.
 
My mistake, I saw what someone had listed from the allearsnet site as being disney information. All I know is that when I asked at the cash register what was included for dessert, that is all that they offered at the Tangerine cafe. These restaurants are not owned by disney, so I took what was offered with no complaints!
 
Indeed. The fact that the program is presented with all its details "subject to change" means customers are well-advised, as is the case whenever details of a program are "subject to change" (regardless of the company involved), to count on Disney offering them a wonderful experience, but not to count on any specific details.
 
The literature also states:

Disney Dining Plan may not be sold separately, transferred, refunded or redeemed for cash in whole or in part. Theme Park admission is required for some dining locations. Advance Reservations may be required at some restaurants included in the Disney Dining Plan. Operating hours, menus, entertainment, Characters, Disney Dining Plan locations, components and terms are subject to change without notice.
Disney Dining Plan is based on the length of your package stay at your Disney Resort Hotel. The owners of the Walt Disney World® Resort shall not be responsible for the non-utilization of package components due to refurbishing, capacity, inclement weather, or any circumstance beyond their control.
 
The plan specifically says that the children age 3-9 must order off the kids menu when one is available so why would anyone think that you would be allowed to order something off the adult menu when a kids appetizer is not available?

Honestly if my kids eat the appetizer they do not eat their meal so it is just a waste of food and they are heathly eaters

Considering some of the appetizers on the adult menu cost as much as a kids meal I can see why you cannot do this. You are paying $10 for the kids age 3-9 per night. If you order an appetizer off the adult menu for $6 and then the kids meal, say the cost would normally be $5, you are already at $11 plus the counter service and the snack.

Come on people how much to you really want for free. That is how things get taken away because too many people abuse the system. Then those same people complain about what used to be offered is no longer offered
 
Lewis writes: "Most price fixed menus have surcharges for some menu items" and later adds the charming "use a little sense".

Well gosh, Lewis, your right! Many price fixed menus do have surcharges and other limitations! That is why I specifically ASKED about those sorts of limitations WHEN I BOOKED THE PACKAGE. Yes, that's right Lewis, I specifically asked : "Will we be able to order as we choose or are we limited to specific items?" I was absolutely ASSURED by the CM that except for a couple of places in DTD (like Wolfgang Pucks), that there would be no limitations in participating restaurants. I can't understand why you think it is so unreasonable for me to EXPECT that what I booked and paid for is what I will receive. Of course, Disney can change it's product offering whenever it chooses-- but those who paid for x should be at least notified that x is no longer available and given the option to cancel. Instead, Disney is apparantly telling people (still) at the time of sale, that they will be able choose anything and then surprising them with the limitations on arrival. That you can defend such a practice astounds me. That you can condescendingly tell me "to use a little sense" when I object to such practices offends me.

I am even on of those that asked if everyone had to use their own credits (more because I don't really eat three meals a day, but I have an ALWAYS hungry son) and was assured that anyone could use any credit! (in our case, I don't think this would result in an adult using a child credit, it will probably more likely be the other way around). That you would be delighted to get Y when you bought and were promised X if fine-- but it isn't fine for me. I resent your repeatedly informing me that I should be happy with whatever YOU think is a good deal.


My objection to the lack of appetizer for the children isn't the amount of food on the plate (although I am NOT one of those who said their children didn't eat much-- even my two year old has a huge appetite). I simply want everyone to have food at the same time--I think the practice of some diners digging in while others are served nothing is inherently rude. We won't be doing that. The food cost for Disney to toss a few grapes and cheese on a plate and call it a child appetizer is pennies. And I don't think anyone believes that Disney wasn't aware from at the very latest, DAY TWO, of the Dining Plan's introduction that some percentage of children were ordering the appetizers. Good grief, we are talking about a corporation that tracks most of it's sales in real time-- Do you think it took them 6 months to notice? Clearly, the practice was if not actually intended (which I believe) at least accepted, up until recent weeks. We means that what is happening is a CHANGE-- Not simply the way Disney wrote it.
 
maxaroni said:
I My biggest problem is really that there is no continuity and it's all up to the CM's at that moment. You and I could be at the same restaurant, the same time and different CM's and have different answers.

I totally agree.

Everyone who has gone on the plan to this point continue to say that the credits are pooled (as the official literature states.)
 


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