MORE evidence that the BC Villas are smaller than the BWV...

[PKS44]

A while back on this thread we discussed whether the villas at the BCV might be smaller than the already "tiny" rooms at the BWV (that "tiny" comment was for Richyams, RIP)---anyway- I was looking at the floorplans for the BCV and the BWV as posted on the DVC website and I printed them out and I layed one on top of the other to compare them...While the bed and the tub and the appliances all line up as the same size--the room size at BCV is decidely smaller-- and this is the DISNEY official floor plans and exactly as I felt when we stayed there last Aug...I am looking forward to going back to my much more spacious BWV next year...

ps- yes we all know about OKW- but we like to walk to Epcot, so it is out.

 

[PatMcDuck]

But size is not the whole story. At BCV, you can get that 2nd BR with 2 queen beds, vs one bed, one pull out couch. And in the master bath, you can close off the toilet room........ both of those features make it easier for large families........... like mine. And the layout is slightly different, in the eat in area?

 

[dianeschlicht]

But size is not the whole story. At BCV, you can get that 2nd BR with 2 queen beds, vs one bed, one pull out couch. And in the master bath, you can close off the toilet room........ both of those features make it easier for large families........... like mine. And the layout is slightly different, in the eat in area?

And at OKW, you get all of that AND the extra space!

 

[Beach_Bound9]

And the layout is slightly different, in the eat in area?

Yes, the eating area can accomodate 7 fairly comfortably, with the larger oblong table and the three person bench seat. It's a great plus for us. I also like the desk in the Master Bedroom.

Seems like folks who are trying to promote BWV are missing what I consider to be the list of nice advantages of the BWV resort, including the availability of standard view point values, (a wonderful plus to strech a vacation), the community hall, the boardwalk activities, the dedicated workout room which is less crowded, and probably the biggest plus of all is the availability of 3 bedroom villas. There are certainly more.... perhaps one of them is a little larger room, that's great....another is walking distance to HESS, a reasonable place to purchase some food items, donuts, beer and wine compared to other Disney prices, close access to Jellyrolls, 4 wheel bike rentals (?), room service (like several other DVC resorts, but not all...).... and the list goes on.....

And of course, the wonderful views.....

It's no stretch to list BWV advantages.....

 

[PKS44]

But size is not the whole story. At BCV, you can get that 2nd BR with 2 queen beds, vs one bed, one pull out couch. And in the master bath, you can close off the toilet room........ both of those features make it easier for large families........... like mine. And the layout is slightly different, in the eat in area?

I don't get the bathroom layout being any advantage---if someone is showering you have to walk thru the room with the shower to get into and out of the toilet. If someone is on the toilet and someone else wants to shower--the toilet person has to wait until the shower person is done or avert their eyes or whatever...I just don't see how that layout really helps anything...

as for "promoting" one place or another---the more people steer away from BWV the better for those who like it...so I should just say how terrible the long walks are at BWV and how bad the parking is there...

I just think that people who don't know should be forewarned---I will never forget my feeling of slight surprise and disappointment when we walked into our room at BCV and I felt it seemed so much smaller than I remembered the BWV room we had....others quote sq feet and claim they are they same...I could not believe that based on my experience and now the official floorplans really support my impression...I am looking for a little vindication....the BCV rooms are shorter and narrower...and to me it was noticeable....to others it may be no big deal....but to say they are the same seems to me to be a position hard to support with any reliable evidence.

Paul

 

[PKS44]

And at OKW, you get all of that AND the extra space!

....and you still can't walk to Epcot....

 

[Doctor P]

Glad some people like BWV. It will keep them from the resorts that are worth staying at.

 

[bcvillastwo]

...................and frankly I don't know what the OP is talking about with respect to BWV being bigger than BCV. I haven't measured the rooms at both but if there is a size difference it isn't much and certainly not so much to be making a big deal out of it. It's possible that the color scheme makes one seem much larger than the other but like I said we've stayed both places and thee simply isn't an appreciable size difference.

So, what is the point, that some people like BWV better? Well, that's cool but why the constant reminders that some people prefer certain DVC sites to others?

OK, maybe I'm being a little testy this morning, maybe I'm missing the OP's point but somehow I think it's ultimately a little pot stirring.

Have a great day everyone.

 

[dianeschlicht]

....and you still can't walk to Epcot....

LOL! Good, 'cuz I'd rather ride.

 

[CarolMN]

PKS44 - I know you are a BWV owner - but really! You just don't get it!!! Those of us who already know that the BWV are absolutely the best prefer not to have any unnecessary competition for reservations. Your posts are making us very, very nervous.

Since this is not your first "offense" some disciplinary action must be taken. The DIS Secret Society for Keeping the Magic of BWV a Secret Known only to Its Owners has decided to sentence you as follows -

In the future posts you will emphasize things like:

* The scary clown slide and what happens to it after dark
* The incredibly long and lonely hallways
* The itsy, bitsy, teeny, tiny rooms
* The parking lot that is halfway to Miami from the lobby
* The valets that lose your car and expect a big tip when they do
* The noisy drunken JellyRolls people that make lots of noise at 1 AM and the Friendship boats that blow their loud horns at 5 am
* Surely, I don't need to remind you about the very bad and expensive bus service!
* I could go on, but I'm sure you get the point.

Assuming you mend your ways, your transgression will be erased from the Society's Records. However, if you continue to offend, you will be subject to discipline up to and including the forced sale of of your BWV interest!

Best wishes -

Carol

P.S. Don't be mad at me - I'm just completing the terms of my own sentence (to make make sure no one sells my points) Please don't ask what I did! But for the record, I sold my pick up truck.

 

[Tagrel]

Carol!!

 

[PKS44]

...................and frankly I don't know what the OP is talking about with respect to BWV being bigger than BCV. I haven't measured the rooms at both but if there is a size difference it isn't much and certainly not so much to be making a big deal out of it. It's possible that the color scheme makes one seem much larger than the other but like I said we've stayed both places and thee simply isn't an appreciable size difference.

So, what is the point, that some people like BWV better? Well, that's cool but why the constant reminders that some people prefer certain DVC sites to others?

OK, maybe I'm being a little testy this morning, maybe I'm missing the OP's point but somehow I think it's ultimately a little pot stirring.

Have a great day everyone.

I am afraid it is the posts like this that are the point...whether someone likes one resort or makes a "big deal" out of some difference in resorts is a matter of opinion---and everyone is entitled to his or her own...but my point is that there is a measureable, real, factual difference between these resort rooms--and people keep trying to tell me it is all in my head! ...saying that they are the same or that the BCV is bigger....in this post the posters says he/she has not measured it...and yet argues that it's the color scheme or something else other than something called the FACTS...that is why the name of the post includes the word EVIDENCE...


get the floorplans--print them from the website or cut them out of your guidebook---lay one over the other and see for yourself the difference...the "bigness" of the difference is a matter of opinion...the FACT of the difference is not...

and I agree with everything Carol says--she forgot the terrible front desk staff, the awful walk OUTDOORS to get to the gift shop which opens too late..the rooms-bigger than BCV- are still way too small.
in short the BWV are terrible--I agree with that...if you have reservations there I highly recommend changing to some other resort...

 

[Tagrel]

Having stayed at BWV, VWL and BCV one bedroom units, I also have seen no appreciable difference in unit sizes. Having stayed in several rooms at both BCV and VWL I HAVE seen that each one bedroom unit we have been in HAS been different in size to some small extent.

The square footage listed in the resort documentation is the average unit sizes. There are some larger and some smaller. The online room layouts are for reference only, and NOTHING says that they are all perfectly to scale. Which would be pretty tough anyway, considering the final room layout really depends on where its located within the building.

But if it makes you feel better, then by all means, go with the fact that BWV is infinitely larger than BCV. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you.

 

[Doctor P]

With due respect PKS44, I would get off the high horse you are riding. There is actually little or nothing that is "factual" as you claim in your OP. Fact: room sizes at a given resort vary. Fact: there is nowhere on the floor plans that you cite that indicates that they are drawn to scale (even if the appliances are drawn the same size). Fact: the official average room sizes (see previous threads) are: BWV studio: 359 vs. 356 for BCV; BWV 1BR 712 vs. 727 for BCV; BWV 2BR 1071 vs. 1083 for BCV. Not much difference, but on balance the published figures indicate that BCV villas, except for studios, are slightly LARGER. In addition, the dedicated studios at BCV are significantly larger in terms of living space simply because of not having the need for the connecting door. But, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter in that for most people the sizes are comparable and likes and dislikes are based on other important factors as well.

 

[Simba's Mom]

Glad some people like BWV. It will keep them from the resorts that are worth staying at.

OK, who are you really? Your comment makes me wonder if perhaps the Haunted Mansion needs to look here for its 1000th ghost. That sounds like something a past DISer would say!

 

[mamaprincess]

Well that was fun. On to another thread.

 

[Caskbill]

Sorry, couldn't resist:

Of course, Only BWV has the SPECIAL 1-B/R villa as shown in their teriffic DVD that was distributed recently to members.

Of course my only question is how do you book it. In the point charts they only show a Studio, 1-B/R, 2-B/R and GV. How do you book this unique One-dio villa, or is it a Stu-B/R Villa?

 

[Northern Lights]

Shhhhh, the rivalry between BCV and BWV should only be discussed in PMs. We must keep the plebes who own at the yucky, lousy and inferior SSR, and the blue hairs at OKW, at their respective home resorts.

I agree that BCV has smaller rooms, terrible views, a surly staff, and a drowning hazard of a pool for smaller kids.

 

[PKS44]

Yes, Caskbill--I posted about that mistake on the DVD and I emailed DVC to notify them of the mistake, too.

as for high horses--these posts by Doctor P and Tagrel really get my goat, I admit...(that is why I am on my high horse--they got my goat)

So the Unofficial guide figures based on their actual measurements of rooms are not facts, the comparison of the room layouts are not facts apparently the only facts are:

1) Your inability to appreciate any difference when you have gone
2) Disney's published sq footage numbers (which do not jibe with the Unofficial guide nor Disney's own published room layouts) this is the only thing offered that resembles a fact and it is contradicted by all other factually reproducible bits of info available
3) Speculation that somehow they layouts are inconsistent with regard to room size and only consistent with regard to appliances...

Sorry-but this is how the dialogue seems to be going:
ME: Boy, this BCV room seems smaller.
Others: No it's not.
ME: Seems to be smaller to me.
Others: No Disney says they are actually slightly larger on average.
ME: Well the unofficial guide measurements say something very different.
Others: it is just the color scheme.
ME: The layouts show the BCV smaller too.
Others: well the layouts are wrong,
ME: Why would the layouts be wrong?
Others: even if they are right, it is not a noticeable difference.
ME: Yeah, but I noticed it.
Others: You're just being difficult, there is no big difference. It is just your opinion--which by the way is wrong.


Conclusion-some people cannot distinguish between facts, speculation and opinion.
The room I was in at BCV seemed smaller than the rooms I have been in at BWV. Was it smaller or was it just an illusion or was it a rare anomaly? And why does anyone else care? Why do I care? Because, like a lot of people, I don't like being told the sky is green when to me it looks blue..I either want to know what color it is or know why it seems blue to me when it is actually something else...

I would not be the least bit surprised if DVC in their economic wisdom chose to go with slightly smaller rooms when they saw they could get away with going from OKW to BWV.

 

[jarestel]

I don't know if the rooms are all exactly the same size or not, though I never noticed much of a difference except at OKW. To me, any real or perceived difference in room sizes isn't all that noticeable, but I admit I've not measured any of them. ( and don't intend to )

In practical terms, even though I like the larger rooms at OKW, the fact is we can still only occupy so much physical space anyway, and all of the DVC rooms ( thank goodness ) will accomodate my family's volume quite easily. None of the rooms are so large that megaphones and opera glasses are required in order to see and hear the others in the room, so whether they are 4 feet away or 5 feet away really makes no meaningful difference.