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this year will be our 1st time on the ddp. i have been reading the menus,
reading the reviews I can't believe eating all of that food anyway it sounds like too much.
We just came back from new hampshier for vacation and we went out to dinner and I was full with just the main coarse and bread they served, i couldn't imagain eating the appy and dessert on top of that:confused3 .

No one has to order/eat everything that's is included.:confused3
When we used the plan in 2005, we skipped plenty of desserts and/or appetizers. We only ordered what we knew we'd eat. Even without maxing out the plan, I came out ahead.

I'm planning to book the deluxe plan for our Easter trip. It includes a ton of food, but once again we'll only order what we know we'll eat.
 
My wife and I would probably get 1 appetizer to share and 1 desert to share which would work perfectly... but oh well
Not meaning to point a finger at the poster. I Just think this logic is exactly why Disney is not offering an either/or.
That's what many would do, esp if tips are OOP.
And the sharing would still slow down the table turnover and overtax the ADR system.
 
how so? This doesn't mean people are going to stop ordering appetizers... in fact now that there will be more people NOT on the dining plan.... it is possibly going to take longer to charge the meals, get change, etc.

this may reduce the number of people in the table service places and greatly increase the number at counter services
 
Even though I was stuffed after every meal last December when my family and I had the dining plan, I would miss the appetizer, as I felt like I was getting to taste something extra at each restaurant we went to. :sad2:
I would not order the app. normally if I were paying OOP (at least not one per person), so I liked having the extra choice ...

Oh well ... We will wait and see when the official announcement comes out!
 

all we ever ordered for an appetizer anyways was a salad... sometimes this only consisted of a few large leaves of lettuce, croutons, and caesar dressing so it can't be costing them that much
 
All speculation of course...
But there are so many dining plans, from the DDE to the platinum plan.
I think the dining plans will be less popular than they currently are. But the system just seems to be overtaxed as it stands now. Eliminating appys from the DDP I think will help turn over the tables faster overall.
With appy and/or desserts included it just slows up the dining turnover. More meals were shared (only judging by what I read on the Dis of course.) Which in turn made the credits stretch farther creating additional sit down meals...
It would be interesting to know what is a general percentage of diners who normally order appetizers. I would imagine the DDP greatly increased those who did.
 
Well, I won't be getting the plan again, and I won't be turning my table over quickly either. We will do what we did pre DDP, one or two apps to share, four entrees and two desserts to share with coffee and cocktails--rush me and two things will happen 1. I will complain to the manager and 2. your tip will suffer immensely.

DDP did fill the restaurants--they filled them too full. I'm sure the complaints they received ran the gamut from too much food, not enough food, can't get a table, I didn't have the DDP and I couldn't get into restaurants, I want to control my tip, 18% is too high a tip for ____, etc
How many of us who really loved it took time to write and say hey thanks that plan works great for my family and we really enjoyed all the aspects of it? I did the first year it was offered to DVC because I had used it on a short trip prior to that and really liked it. I didn't send a note this year, but by the time I returned the changes were already popping into place.
 
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We dine at WDW regularly (using another dining plan -- the DDE). I can't say I have ever felt rushed.
I just think table turner over is ONE of the reasons for any changes.
 
I got the email. I don't like the idea of them removing the appetizer and gratituity and only decreasing the price by $1. What is up with that? All the appetizers are at least $5 or more and we always give at least $10 gratituity for great service or more. Either keep it the way it is or decrease the price by at least $8.
 
I don't see why they wouldn't allow a free refillable mug for any DDP of 5 days or more regardless of if it's deluxe or standard. The cost of drink is very minimal and there is something to be said for being able to have something in the end to take home. :thumbsup2

I do like the idea of putting tipping back into our hands! I don't want a poor wait person to get 18% for poor service because they knew they were getting that tip without working for it. I tip very well for good service but want to be able to drop that down to 10% if I recieve poor service. At the same time, I want compensation for having to tip and not $1 a day and especialy not the taking of my appetizer! :headache:

Also, I don't get the $40 for a bottle of wine deal either. At least from a visitors point of view. I manage a very large liquor store and know that if you pay $40 at a Dis resturant for a bottle of wine, it's cost is around $12. Good for Disney but not for us. Also, will they let you leave with a half full bottle? This actualy may be illegal in Florida, I don't know. If you don't want the entire bottle with your meal, will you loose the remainder? If you have two adults, double that to 2 bottles of wine. The whole wine thing seems like a poor decision. :confused:
 
Well, I really wanted the Deluxe plan to work for us. I really did! But it doesn't.:confused3 DS11 is one of those kids who eats NOTHING. He still orders from the kids menu at places like Kona and Coral Reef. (Not because we make him, he is free to order anything he wants. He wants the kids meals.) We LOVE TS and on the trips we have taken with DDP we always have more TS ressies than we have credits.
BUT having said that, the Deluxe DDP wouldn't save us much money and would certainly cost us more than we would pay OOP with DDE. I could see doing a TS breakfast and a Signature dinner a few times during the week, but not every night. We'll just keep our DDE and be happy ordering exactly what we each want to eat.:)
 
There were 2 threads on the same subject. The 2 threads have been merged into one.
 
I sure hope they rethink this before 2008. We loved the dining plan in January and were hoping to use it next year, but we won't with the changes. We found that it worked well for us in January, because we usually spend $30-40 a day on food, and the DDP fit right into that. The benefit to us is that we were able to try out some nicer restaurants and eat a little better than we usually do. We did find that it was a lot of food, so I'm not willing to pay more to have too much food. We'll go back to our old way of saving money and not doing a TS everyday. I'd consider still doing it if you didn't have to do the plan for every day of your stay.

I know that ideally we'd all like the quality to go up along with the price, but I don't think that is going to happen.

The Deluxe plan seems a bit crazy to me--it just makes me realize what a great value Disney Cruise Line is. If I want 3 meals (possible 2-3 table service a day) for $70, I'll go on a cruise, spend a little more and have my accomodations & entertainment taken care of as well.

Could'nt have said it better, agree 100%

back in Dec2005 we did the DDP for the first time enjoyed ourself's, going back again Sept 2006 for free this time and it looks to be the last:sad1: , oh well we have done a couple of TS and rest CS before and it didnt kill us....

Brooke
 
Also, I don't get the $40 for a bottle of wine deal either. At least from a visitors point of view. I manage a very large liquor store and know that if you pay $40 at a Dis resturant for a bottle of wine, it's cost is around $12. Good for Disney but not for us. Also, will they let you leave with a half full bottle? This actualy may be illegal in Florida, I don't know. If you don't want the entire bottle with your meal, will you loose the remainder? If you have two adults, double that to 2 bottles of wine. The whole wine thing seems like a poor decision. :confused:


I was thinking that add on would more likely be per room rather than per person. At least I'd hope so - a bottle of wine per person per day seems rather excessive, even to me (and I like my wine! :rotfl: ). As far of the value of it, I just don't see it either, but I suppose we'll know more once Disney makes the official announcement.
 
I worked our numbers today.....the regular DDP saves us about 15% over OOP.

I checked on the DX ddp, and any value on our "agenda" came from the mug and the snacks. As DVC members....that's just not enough value for me. Thats for us....we decided we REALLY don't want to commit to 3 TS meals per day, or more than 1 signature event, this trip. I think we might do it on a future trip (assuming it sticks around), when scheduling Hood De Doo AND a signature dinner. But even with a 2/1 ratio, we just barely hit break even (which was probably a sign of the fact we have LOTS of buffets and family style stuff on our agenda, and not much 'a la carte') over OOP costs. We didn't factor in the cost of the snacks and the mug, so THAT would have been our savings. About $8 per night, per person + the spread out cost of the mug (about $2 per night, per person, for our 6 night stay). I just don't see a lot of value in that 15% of the savings.....(10/70) in our situation.
 
Ouch! This new (proposed) plan is quite a departure from the old one. It's almost in the realm of DL's so-called dining plan, which is an astonishingly bad deal.

However the biggest perk I found when on the dining plan was being able to order any entree off the menu regardless of the cost and being able to try different items we wouldn't if I was paying out of pocket for each item ordered. Under the new 2008 plan the price of items would come into consideration for us because now we would paying 20% tip on those items.

Maybe that's part of their point--to try to get people to stop ordering the most expensive items on the menu "because they can." Or to stop booking at only the most expensive restaurants, again, "because they can." Whatever their reasoning, 20% (or so) is a huge jump in price. Even worse, IMO, is the hassle of having to carry cash or put the tip on the room charge. And I feel especially bad for all the CM's who will be stiffed because of the change.

The DDP wasn't underpriced, it was "correctly" priced to serve as a driver for higher occupancy at higher rates at the resorts.

It also drove up sales in the restaurants. We had a couple of different CM's tell us that they were grateful for the DDP because otherwise, their restaurants would be empty. Which brings up another benefit of the DDP--people tried (and maybe got hooked on) restaurants they wouldn't otherwise have considered. So whether they use the DDP or not, more people will probably consider at least some of the restaurants "must-do's" for future trips.

I am thinking because of the coming Changes in DDP
Disney may not offer Free Dining in 2008.

Just a thought and I know that Free Dining every year
in not a Guarantee and could never be offered again.

So glad I got in on it this Year.:yay:

Me, too! Even if free DDP were offered next year, with the new plan it would be a tougher analysis to determine whether it would be a good deal or not. When you figure the difference between a discounted room and a rack rate room + 20% (of the "sticker price" on the food, not the cost of the DDP) vs. how you would eat if paying OOP, "free" DDP probably isn't a good deal for many people staying in moderate or deluxe resorts.

That deluxe plan is interesting, though. If it were just dh and I, I'd try it in a heartbeat, and schedule mostly signature restaurants for dinner. The third TS could be an early lunch, or buffet breakfast (mmm, Boma every morning :love: ). It might even be interesting with kids < 10, because of the portability between TS and CS meals. (Right now, if mom and dad have a night out, you're stuck with extra kid TS credits, and so have to blow them on room service (if in a deluxe), pay OOP for adult meals just to use up the kid credits, or simply lose them.)

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how ADR availability changes if this new plan is implemented, especially in the more expensive TS restaurants, and how many people go back to staying off site. I'm sure if the pendulum swings too far back towards empty restaurants and resorts, this new plan won't last more than a year or two. Just long enough for us to join the rest of you on a cruise! pirate:
 
Well that would be enough to make me decide to not use the Dining Plan for future visits. I'm very glad we have it booked for our Dec trip but that will probably be the last time we use it if those changes are the real deal.

I think that I agree here,
 
I did the numbers for our upcoming trip. We went through the menus and found where we wanted to go and what we would probably eat. All prices do not include tax or tip and are for 2 adults, 2 kids. 8 days, 7 nights.

B: Breakfast; L: Lunch; D: Dinner

OOP and eating "cheap" for us.
Flatbread Grill: D: $26
Movies: B: $24
Pecos Bill: L: $27
1900 Park: D: $86
Hollywood and Vine: B: $72
ABC: L: $25
Backlot: D: $25
Movies: B: $24
Tangierine Cafe: L:$44
Chefs: D: $98
Movies: B: $24
Pizzafari: L: $28
Wolfgang: D: $70
Movies: B: $24
Pinocchio: L: $34
Tonys: D: $82
Akershus: B: $72
Yakatori: L: $31
Rose&C. Pub: D: $ 27
Crystal P.: B: $60
Caseys/Plaza: L: $42
Total: $945

DXDDP eating 1 app and 1 dessert to split with several CS replaced by TS.
Sci-Fi: D: $63
Kona: B: $55
Pecos Bill: L: $27
1900 Park: D: $86
Hollywood and Vine: B: $72
Momma M.: L: $65
Backlot: D: $25
Movies: B: $24
Rose & C.: L:$64
Chefs: D: $98
Breakfastosaurus: B: $60
Pizzafari: L: $28
Wolfgang: D: $87
Crystal P.: B: $60
Pinocchio: L: $34
Tonys: D: $82
Akershus: B: $72
Yakatori: L: $31
Beirgarton: D: $ 72
Crystal P.: B: $60
Caseys/Plaza: L: $42
Total: $1207

Cost of DXDDP: $1260


For $315 I get several TS, 84 snacks (edit 56 snacks), 4 cups, and 1 extra App and dessert (per TS meal). I also get to stuff myself if I want :lmao: .

At the moment I will be getting the DXDDP if it is as speculated.:thumbsup2

If some of this doesn't make sense, ask questions. :thumbsup2
 
I didn't read anything about if the tip would be added in automatically. I don't mind paying for the tip but I would like to be in charge for the percentage depending on the service. Does anyone know if they will charge you 18% automatically on your dinner.
 
:confused3 I guess I just don't get the math. How do you get that many snacks for 2 a day x 4 people x 7 nights= 56?? Did I miss the total you get per day. It is late so maybe my brain just slipped!:rotfl:
I did the numbers for our upcoming trip. We went through the menus and found where we wanted to go and what we would probably eat. All prices do not include tax or tip and are for 2 adults, 2 kids. 8 days, 7 nights.

B: Breakfast; L: Lunch; D: Dinner

OOP and eating "cheap" for us.
Flatbread Grill: D: $26
Movies: B: $24
Pecos Bill: L: $27
1900 Park: D: $86
Hollywood and Vine: B: $72
ABC: L: $25
Backlot: D: $25
Movies: B: $24
Tangierine Cafe: L:$44
Chefs: D: $98
Movies: B: $24
Pizzafari: L: $28
Wolfgang: D: $70
Movies: B: $24
Pinocchio: L: $34
Tonys: D: $82
Akershus: B: $72
Yakatori: L: $31
Rose&C. Pub: D: $ 27
Crystal P.: B: $60
Caseys/Plaza: L: $42
Total: $945

DXDDP eating 1 app and 1 dessert to split with several CS replaced by TS.
Sci-Fi: D: $63
Kona: B: $55
Pecos Bill: L: $27
1900 Park: D: $86
Hollywood and Vine: B: $72
Momma M.: L: $65
Backlot: D: $25
Movies: B: $24
Rose & C.: L:$64
Chefs: D: $98
Breakfastosaurus: B: $60
Pizzafari: L: $28
Wolfgang: D: $87
Crystal P.: B: $60
Pinocchio: L: $34
Tonys: D: $82
Akershus: B: $72
Yakatori: L: $31
Beirgarton: D: $ 72
Crystal P.: B: $60
Caseys/Plaza: L: $42
Total: $1207

Cost of DXDDP: $1260


For $315 I get several TS, 84 snacks, 4 cups, and 1 extra App and dessert (per TS meal). I also get to stuff myself if I want :lmao: .

At the moment I will be getting the DXDDP if it is as speculated.:thumbsup2

If some of this doesn't make sense, ask questions. :thumbsup2
 
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