More Booze in the MK!

[Uncranky Donald]

I'm so confused, what happens at Disney while Im away? Ive been going since I was 4years old almost every other year and Ive never seen a crazy drunk person (well, my mom was tipsy once when I was 6, but that could have been a really corrupted memory). Some people are making it seem like the sun goes down and it turns into West Hollywood during Halloween weekMaybe it does, maybe I've missed something because I'm so used to working in a bar/music atmosphere. However the only rudeness I come across comes from within the soul, not within the bloodstream. I again will miss the last park that is dry, but have to say that having no children of my own I WAS a child whose memories were written by the Magic Kingdom. Now enjoying them an adult (and paying for them whether w/friends or the niece & nephew) I must say it burns a little to hear that a couple of business decisions at a few TS restaurants would make us question how we define the the park and everything we've known it to be...especially who its for...I know its for me and for you, and for my memories and for yours, and for your kids and for my family and friends and for my niece and nephew and a lil booze aint gonna change nothing...pretty good show goin on!!

 

[Lavitz]

Overall I don't like it.

I think it'd be a fantastic idea to do this if it stopped here. Alcohol with a table service meal makes sense.

Unfortunately this is just the first step to MK becoming Epcot. Few companies (and Disney is definitely not one of them) can resist easy money.

 

[Sweettears]

Overall I don't like it.

I think it'd be a fantastic idea to do this if it stopped here. Alcohol with a table service meal makes sense.

Unfortunately this is just the first step to MK becoming Epcot. Few companies (and Disney is definitely not one of them) can resist easy money.

So by drawing irrational conclusions since I love EPCOT and now they are allowing alcohol at MK I will now love it more?

 

[Lavitz]

So by drawing irrational conclusions since I love EPCOT and now they are allowing alcohol at MK I will now love it more?

If you love Epcot because there is more freely available alcohol there, then yes you will love MK much more in the not so distant future.

 

[MoonFaerie]

Anyone traveling at the same time as me wanna play a game? (Princess Half weekend) I have a mostly benign condition that can mimic brain tumor symptoms. On a bad day, my balance is bad, I stumble, I mix up words, etc. Basically, I read as drunk, according to some of these responses. So we can play a game - has she been drinking or are her symptoms flaring? Fun for everyone!

 

[Uncranky Donald]

Anyone traveling at the same time as me wanna play a game? (Princess Half weekend) I have a mostly benign condition that can mimic brain tumor symptoms. On a bad day, my balance is bad, I stumble, I mix up words, etc. Basically, I read as drunk, according to some of these responses. So we can play a game - has she been drinking or are her symptoms flaring? Fun for everyone!

OMG, I have the same condition!!! And I work and own a bar, so my customers always think Im loadedSorry I won't be in Disney that soon, but it would have been fun to play with TWO candidates!!!!

 

[Sweettears]

If you love Epcot because there is more freely available alcohol there, then yes you will love MK much more in the not so distant future.

It has nothing to do with personal preference in regard to alcohol. Your point was that based on the availability of alcohol it somehow makes EPCOT an inferior experience

 

[Disneylover99]

Unfortunately this is just the first step to MK becoming Epcot. Few companies (and Disney is definitely not one of them) can resist easy money.

If you love Epcot because there is more freely available alcohol there, then yes you will love MK much more in the not so distant future.

I love being able to walk around with a drink in Epcot. I love the idea that I could possibly do this one day in the MK. But the reality is I probably won't drink there at all. There are just too many rides to ride.

So, unless they shut down a bunch of rides and open up countries or walk around type exhibits, the MK will never be like Epcot.

 

[Squirlz]

We've spent about 21 days at Universal the last 3 years, where alcohol has always been readily available. Have never seen a single problem. Plenty of kids there too.

 

[Hikergirl]

I said it in the other thread and its the same here. Some of you sound as if they are going to be serving heroine and cocaine to guests. Its beer and wine served at restaurants. Believe it or not most people are perfectly capable of enjoying a glass of wine with dinner without becoming drunk. We can manage to walk around a theme park without stumbling into you and scaring all the children around us.
If it comes to alcohol being served in carts around MK, the same applies.

 

[Sweettears]

If you love Epcot because there is more freely available alcohol there, then yes you will love MK much more in the not so distant future.

I said it in the other thread and its the same here. Some of you sound as if they are going to be serving heroine and cocaine to guests. Its beer and wine served at restaurants. Believe it or not most people are perfectly capable of enjoying a glass of wine with dinner without becoming drunk. We can manage to walk around a theme park without stumbling into you and scaring all the children around us.
If it comes to alcohol being served in carts around MK, the same applies.

Amen. Most young children don't know what alcoholic beverages look like let understand the implications of what they are. Bad behavior exists in multiple environments alcohol or not. Getting your shorts in a knot over the fact that someone can buy a beer at MK is a little overkill. As many PP have stated it is pretty easy to get drunk outside of the park and then enter. It's been happening with regularity for years. Having drinks available with dinner ar MK will have no noticeable impact on anyone's experience in the parks.

BOG was obviously a test and it must have gone well. If it eventually comes to carts selling beer it likely won't be noticed by anyone other than those that have a fundamental issue with its availability. I appreciate the availability of a beverage in the parks and to be honest it took a few visits before I was aware that it was a possibility.

 

[awalker1015]

I said it in the other thread and its the same here. Some of you sound as if they are going to be serving heroine and cocaine to guests. Its beer and wine served at restaurants. Believe it or not most people are perfectly capable of enjoying a glass of wine with dinner without becoming drunk. We can manage to walk around a theme park without stumbling into you and scaring all the children around us.
If it comes to alcohol being served in carts around MK, the same applies.

I mean seriously!!!

 

[mckennarose]

Anyone traveling at the same time as me wanna play a game? (Princess Half weekend) I have a mostly benign condition that can mimic brain tumor symptoms. On a bad day, my balance is bad, I stumble, I mix up words, etc. Basically, I read as drunk, according to some of these responses. So we can play a game - has she been drinking or are her symptoms flaring? Fun for everyone!

I posted about this on another thread about alcohol in MK: my 20 year old disabled nephew fits the drunk "criteria" that I've seen posted before on the DIS. Stumbling, shuffling, slurring, loud, bumping into people if he's not careful or led around. Every time a thread on alcohol pops up and I see the criteria that some people base drunken behavior on, I think of him and cringe. My point is...most times you can't definitively determine that another person is drunk and not just in passing or a quick observation.

Do I think people can over indulge in any park or resort? Absolutely. I know it happens even though I personally haven't witnessed anything like someone puking in the bushes or peeing themselves. But from other posts I've seen on here about a person getting one drink and tripping before she drank it and another visitor commenting loudly about the drunks in Epcot, or the teens having fun and dancing and someone getting a CM on them, only to find out that they were not drunk and only having fun, I wonder how many guests are mislabeled. And how many people are looking for it because they don't drink or are opposed to it in WDW.

 

[whiporee]

I said it in the other thread and its the same here. Some of you sound as if they are going to be serving heroine and cocaine to guests. Its beer and wine served at restaurants. Believe it or not most people are perfectly capable of enjoying a glass of wine with dinner without becoming drunk. We can manage to walk around a theme park without stumbling into you and scaring all the children around us.
If it comes to alcohol being served in carts around MK, the same applies.

I don't think anyone has said that. But you'd have to admit that a) MK is different in terms of crowd density than the other parks, and as a rule has a higher frustration level than you see other places and b) when you combine frustration with alcohol, you can get unpleasant results. If you don't think that drinking exasperates situations, or that people who have been drinking are less inhibited, and therefore often less considerate of people around them, then that's just fundamental difference in experience and the way you see the world. I've been in enough crowds where a few drunks make things miserable for everyone else that I see the unpleasantness of those situations very clearly. If you haven't been in those situations, then you probably won't. Or if the few drunken people in a crowd don't bother you, then you'll see it as people having a good time and none of your business. I can see that, too. But if you don't think that increasing alcohol availability runs the very real risk of increasing crowd volatility, I think you're being naive. You may consider that a reasonable trade off, but you'd have to see where others don't.

I've read the whole thread, and I don't think anyone has said they expect there to be lots of drunk and out of control people at the Mk if they get to kiosks and carts. I don't think anyone has suggestion that bedlam would take over the park. All that I've seen is people saying there will be a higher incidence of people drunk and out of control (because how could there not be) and that they wish Mk would remain, for the most part, alcohol free. Saying that you wish drinking would not be allowed is not the same thing as passing judgment on everyone who drinks, and wishing that a place that has historically been alcohol free remain that way isn't prudish. It's just a preference.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I know! Lord could you imagine Disney in St Louis?!? I mean given..it would be closer to me but I can't even fathom Disney World in the Midwest. Bleh! Would definitely NEED alcohol if that were the case.

IIRC from the Connecting with Walt podcast, the St. Louis project was supposed to be enclosed, not outdoors.

 

[Missyrose]

Saying that you wish drinking would not be allowed is not the same thing as passing judgment on everyone who drinks, and wishing that a place that has historically been alcohol free remain that way isn't prudish. It's just a preference.

The judgment comes in when you expect there will be out-of-control drunks. That's not a given. There is free-flowing alcohol at DHS and AK and there's been not a single report in any of these "Beer at MK" threads that has shown people seeing others fall-down drunk at those parks.

 

[Marchand63]

I give it 6 months until we have Dole Whips with Rum.

OOOH sign me up - everything is better with rum!!!!

"No liquor, no beer, nothing. Because that brings in a rowdy element. That brings people that we don't want and I feel they don't need it. I feel when I go down to the park I don't need a drink. I work around that place all day and I don't have one. After I come out of a heavy day at the studio sometimes I want a drink to relax." - Walt Disney to journalist Pete Martin for the Saturday Evening Post in the summer of 1956

http://disneybooks.blogspot.com/2012/07/walt-disney-talks-early-disneyland-by.html

Yeah that was 1956, times change who knows if he was here what he would say. Not every thing in 1956 was perfect, and MK was not Utopia

 

[bwang123]

I said it in the other thread and its the same here. Some of you sound as if they are going to be serving heroine and cocaine to guests. Its beer and wine served at restaurants. Believe it or not most people are perfectly capable of enjoying a glass of wine with dinner without becoming drunk. We can manage to walk around a theme park without stumbling into you and scaring all the children around us.
If it comes to alcohol being served in carts around MK, the same applies.

i can't wait until marijuana is completely legal in Florida and you can smoke it in the parks in designated areas just to see the threads on here.

 

[whiporee]

The judgment comes in when you expect there will be out-of-control drunks. That's not a given. There is free-flowing alcohol at DHS and AK and there's been not a single report in any of these "Beer at MK" threads that has shown people seeing others fall-down drunk at those parks.

Of course it's a given. You take crowds, vacation and booze and there will be some degree of out of control drunks. You can argue how many or how often, but of course there will be some. There are some at Epcot, with half the attendance and twice the actual space. You can argue whether it will be a small number, or whether people who mind are making too big a deal of it, but there can't be any reasonable doubt that adding kiosks and booze to MK will increase the number of people getting drunk, and then at least some of those people will get out of control and jerky. That's just human nature.

 

[whiporee]

i can't wait until marijuana is completely legal in Florida and you can smoke it in the parks in designated areas just to see the threads on here.

We're living that dream here in Colorado, which is why I'm a bit more sensitive to it. Because it's taken over all outdoor venues, it's taken over the ski towns, to the point where you honestly cannot escape the smell.

And I say that as someone who'll be stopping by a dispensary today. I'm not critiquing anyone who chooses to imbibe, but there are real consequences to these things that ae often overlooked in the service of what seems like harmless fun.