Moms who don't vaccinate or selectively vaccinate, .........

[~Kristina~]

Ah, I'd fire her and find someone else who is more open minded. I'm so glad I don't have that issue. I selective/delay and my ped is 100% supported. I tell her when I'm ready for him to have a vax and she tells me what she would do for her own children.

Your ped works for YOU. If you don't like them, or see eye to eye with them, there is no reason for dealing with an uncomfortable situation.

 

[disneysurprise4kids]

Hi. I had a lot of pressure to vaccinate my children DD7 DS5 DS10months. I happy to say none of them have had any shots are completely healthy kids. I told the doctor that I would agree to vaccination if he would give me writtten confirmation that there would not be any ill side effects from vaccines. Obviously he couldn't gaurantee me anything. I've never been asked about it again. Remember it is your right as a parent or patient to accept or deny any treatment from a physician as long as you know the possible outcome either way. Good Luck!

 

[DVCLiz]

HELLO? 70%!! So what about the other 30%?? Where is the research you have seen? Who has funded it?

The other 30% are unable to be vaccinated for at this time. I don't think the cause of those 30% of cases has been established.

However, if your child had a chance to be protected against the known cause of 70% of the cases of a disease, would you say no based on not knowing how the other 30% was transmitted, or would you say "Hmm, 70% of the cases are caused by one of these four strains, and the vaccine is supposed to give COMPLETE protection against those four strains." Remember, it's not that the vaccine is only 70% effective - it's almost 100% efffective against those four strains that cause 70% of the disease.

Those are pretty good odds in my opinion. I'd rather fully protect my child from those 4 strains, even if she runs the risk of getting another strain.

 

[~Kristina~]

I am curious, for all of you who don't homeschool, how do you get out of vaccines? I don't want to know to get out of any (as I said before my kids are fully vaccinated). But I am just curious. My oldest had Chicken Pox. The younger 2 did not and had to get the vaccine before entering kindergarten. Before entering kindergarten yo uhad to either have proof of having the shot or the disease. Maybe this is not everywhere, but here it is manditory. Just curious...

In Michigan, you just have to sign a waiver stating you don't vax.

 

[DVCLiz]

I completely understand the elements - fetus tissue, dead animals, heavy metals... all things I would absolutely love to inject into my child who has no say so in the deal.

This statement tells me everything I need to know about your level of understanding of vaccines, so I am out of this discussion now!!

 

[npmommie]

I don't see what the big deal about the chicken pox booster is (for MOST children).

My DS had one yesterday. No side effects at all. I'd much have him have the shot instead of the disease....I still have scars on my face from my bout with chicken pox, and my brother in law was hospitalized with it as a kid. It was a miserable two weeks for me, that I still remember almost 40 years later. Pox covered my body, including my scalp. NO WAY would I want my child to get this.

And my son has a pretty significant communication disorder, but it has nothing to do with the shots.

It's one thing to avoid the shots if you and your doctor feel your family's medical history warrants it, and another thing altogether to decided there's some great conspiracy going on with doctors, the CDC and Big Pharma. I get my son vaccinated because it's the socially responsible thing to do, and it helps protect older people, pregnant women and children who can't get the shot.

If you read my posts completely you will see my problem with the CP shot. I have read all the science related to it. I didn't say anything about a conspiracy, all my problems are fact based on science.

We all can do what we think is best for our own family. That is all I am responsible for ........my own actions and my own family.

No vax is 100%. and kids vaccinated with the CP can still get chicken pox and many do. In fact I had this very discussion with the Pedi yesterday, she told me she sees many vaccinated kids with CP.

 

[~Kristina~]

Hey, this isn't a debate! She asked for advice about her ped, not for everyone bickering if it's right or wrong, or your personal opinions on vaccinating!

 

[jodifla]

In Michigan, you just have to sign a waiver stating you don't vax.

BUT, if a disease comes around and your kids aren't vaccinated, they they can't go to school for as long as the disease is out there.

 

[~Kristina~]

BUT, if a disease comes around and your kids aren't vaccinated, they they can't go to school for as long as the disease is out there.

I was just stating how in works in the state. I AM NOT debating this, this isn't a debate forum.

 

[npmommie]

Hey, this isn't a debate! She asked for advice about her ped, not for everyone bickering if it's right or wrong, or your personal opinions on vaccinating!

Thank you!
sheeesh, I didn't realize what my simple question would cause

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

The other 30% are unable to be vaccinated for at this time. I don't think the cause of those 30% of cases has been established.

However, if your child had a chance to be protected against the known cause of 70% of the cases of a disease, would you say no based on not knowing how the other 30% was transmitted, or would you say "Hmm, 70% of the cases are caused by one of these four strains, and the vaccine is supposed to give COMPLETE protection against those four strains." Remember, it's not that the vaccine is only 70% effective - it's almost 100% efffective against those four strains that cause 70% of the disease.

Those are pretty good odds in my opinion. I'd rather fully protect my child from those 4 strains, even if she runs the risk of getting another strain.

Considering the side effects that this vaccine can create? I'd definitely NOT give it to my daughter. I wouldn't take it myself. The other 30% cannot be vaccinated? Um, no the other 30% are from strains that this vaccine does not "protect". The vaccine only works for some strains - not others. Not to mention the poor women who died from receiving Gardasil.

 

[jodifla]

If you read my posts completely you will see my problem with the CP shot. I have read all the science related to it. I didn't say anything about a conspiracy, all my problems are fact based on science.

We all can do what we think is best for our own family. That is all I am responsible for ........my own actions and my own family.

No vax is 100%. and kids vaccinated with the CP can still get chicken pox and many do. In fact I had this very discussion with the Pedi yesterday, she told me she sees many vaccinated kids with CP.

Much, much milder cases of CP with a shot, however. My caution would be thinking that chicken pox is some mild disease. It can be, or not, as in my case and my brother-in-law's case.

When I was growing up, chicken pox was rampant almost every year. Now, with the shot, there's been no cases in my son's schools in the six years he's been going to preschools/elementary.

I agree with other posters who say you should find a Pediatrician who can respect your views, though.

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

This statement tells me everything I need to know about your level of understanding of vaccines, so I am out of this discussion now!!

So there aren't these things in vaccines? Is that what you are trying to say? Regardless of what the vaccine does or does not do, these things ARE in vaccines. There is no disputing that. I cannot fathom how anyone would inject a dead baby's cells into their own child?

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

BUT, if a disease comes around and your kids aren't vaccinated, they they can't go to school for as long as the disease is out there.

Yes, but even if your child were fully vaccinated and an outbreak of polio or something comes around, would you still let your child attend? LOL I mean everyone knows vaccines aren't 100% and that there is still a chance of catching whatever it is - so if there is an outbreak of a VPD would you still leave your child?

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

Much, much milder cases of CP with a shot, however. My caution would be thinking that chicken pox is some mild disease. It can be, or not, as in my case and my brother-in-law's case.

When I was growing up, chicken pox was rampant almost every year. Now, with the shot, there's been no cases in my son's schools in the six years he's been going to preschools/elementary.

I agree with other posters who say you should find a Pediatrician who can respect your views, though.

But what about when these children are adults? And they are more at risk of shingles (which my husband had last year at age 26!!) What about when the immunity wears off and they research and determine that they would rather not receive the vaccine? Then what? They will then be at risk for chicken pox with a greater risk.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

The other 30% are unable to be vaccinated for at this time. I don't think the cause of those 30% of cases has been established.

However, if your child had a chance to be protected against the known cause of 70% of the cases of a disease, would you say no based on not knowing how the other 30% was transmitted, or would you say "Hmm, 70% of the cases are caused by one of these four strains, and the vaccine is supposed to give COMPLETE protection against those four strains." Remember, it's not that the vaccine is only 70% effective - it's almost 100% efffective against those four strains that cause 70% of the disease.

Those are pretty good odds in my opinion. I'd rather fully protect my child from those 4 strains, even if she runs the risk of getting another strain.

You do know that Garidisil has only proven to be effective for 3 years right? So in order to keep that immunity you have to be vaxed with it over and over. Sorry but that doesn't sit right with me. There have also been no long term studies of the effects of it on women. It has also been proven that the actual Gardisil studies done were flawed. Too many what ifs imho.

 

[jodifla]

Yes, but even if your child were fully vaccinated and an outbreak of polio or something comes around, would you still let your child attend? LOL I mean everyone knows vaccines aren't 100% and that there is still a chance of catching whatever it is - so if there is an outbreak of a VPD would you still leave your child?

Well, thanks to VACCINES, polio is mostly gone from the U.S. But that might be something to keep you kids home from initially if a polio epidemic breaks out.

But measles, chicken pox, etc....No, I'd likely send my son in since he's up to date on his shots.

I never had ANY of the childhood diseases EXCEPT chicken pox, because I had all my shots. SO even when kids in school were out with measles, mumps, etc. I went to school.

 

[AKADrea]

The reason for the second injection or booster shot of the vaccine is that one injection of the vaccine does not give complete immunization against the virus. you need the booster to ensure total immunization against the virus to ensure you do not catch it.

noone can guarantee TOTAL immunity



as to the OP, when I ran into this with my pediatrician, I chose to seek another doctor who was more on my page

 

[jodifla]

But what about when these children are adults? And they are more at risk of shingles (which my husband had last year at age 26!!) What about when the immunity wears off and they research and determine that they would rather not receive the vaccine? Then what? They will then be at risk for chicken pox with a greater risk.

Anybody who has had chicken pox the disease is at risk for shingles. I was speaking with a 70 year old who had it, and she was very sorry she hadn't gotten the vaccine for older people to prevent shingles.

Again, I've had NO childhood diseases either (except chicken pox) ... and because so many people vaccinate, I will likely never get them, so I don't get the whole "what if what if" questions.

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

Well, thanks to VACCINES, polio is mostly gone from the U.S. But that might be something to keep you kids home from initially if a polio epidemic breaks out.

But measles, chicken pox, etc....No, I'd likely send my son in since he's up to date on his shots.

I never had ANY of the childhood diseases EXCEPT chicken pox, because I had all my shots. SO even when kids in school were out with measles, mumps, etc. I went to school.

Well of course polio is mostly gone - luckily though it has a lot to do with hygiene.

Anyways, measles are not so horrible LOL. Besides a lot of the cases of measles and mumps are in vaccinated children.