Moms who don't vaccinate or selectively vaccinate, .........

[AliceinHalloweentown]

My mom tried for years to get me Chicken Pox the "natural" way (playing with kids who had it, hah), and neither me nor my brother got it, so we got the shot "just in case".

I'm going to have to get another shot soon I hear, and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Along the same lines....

For 20 years we were told by the gov't that Agent Orange didn't cause cancer and there was no statistical significance to back up the argument that it did. Meanwhile, Vietnam Viets were saying it did. Eventually the gov't changed their tune and started paying benefits.

Exactly! So many people cannot believe that the gov't doesn't make mistakes. They are people!

wow, dicey subject. I run a group in Atlanta for parents with special needs families and 80% of our group are ASD families. I get asked my thoughts on her all the time. I think Jenny has done so much for our community, to get the word out there, what families deal with day to day. I worry about putting the word "cure" out there. I think children with ASD can greatly improve with therapy (as recent studies have shown). I wouldn't think to speak about Jenny's son as I have never met him, however I have had people in my group who have said that their child was "cured' and I felt that they had moved from a low functioning child with autism to a high functioning child, as mine had done with intensive therapy and intervention. Their children still displayed ASD symptoms just not as many as before. I am by no means an expert and I am often navigating blind. I read medical journal after medical journal, the latest this and that and it gives me such a headache..Autism is a way of life for us and it is in everything we do. I completely understand Jenny's mistrust of the drug companies and the CDC. Too often we are given things and told they are safe, later we find out how awful they are. As parents, the best we can do, is what we can live with at the end of the day, hopeful it was the right thing.

Have you had your child tested for heavy metal poisoning? Not the blood test. The other test. I believe they do it from their urine. The blood tests aren't accurate because heavy metals embed in your soft tissue. Also do you follow the DAN protocol? How do you feel about it?
There is a book by Dr. Bock called something like Asthma, Allergies, Autism, Adhd- childhood illnesses. The title is very similar to that but I can't think of the exact name. It is a very informative book. You might want to check it out. It is quite interesting.

Oh- and I am not being rude but Jenny McCarthy doesn't say that she cured her son. She says that she recovered him because she feels that he was vaccine injured. She isn't really anti-vaccine but rather wants all of the junk taken out of our vaccines. My bff went to a conference where she spoke and she said it was very interesting and that she was very well informed.

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

Find a new doc. Having an unsupportive doc isn't worth the hassle. Here in Jacksonville, there are 2 pediatricians who work together - 1 is a holistic doc and a medical doc. The other is a lactation consultant and a medical doc. The duo are fabulous. They are find with no vax or selective vax or delayed vax. Really they don't care what you do as long as they believe that you have researched it.

We don't see them because they dont take our insurance. Instead, if my kids are REALLY sick, we go to Solantic (urgent care).

I mean really what are the point of well visits? haha

Anyways, a really good supportive site is Mothering.com - they have a message board JUST FOR vaccine info. They are a fabulous bunch.

BTW, to those of you who think that our non-vaccinated kids are a threat to y our vaccinated kid? If you believe vaccines work, why are you worried?

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

OP here.
Ok first of all I really resent being called irresponsible because I declined a 2nd chicken pox vaccine for MY child.

I come at all of this from a science background. I have been to graduate school in a health care profession, I know how to read research studies, I know where to look for valid research studies .I do not shoot from the hip on these matters, I throughly read both sides of all the issues regarding vaccines, I look at science.
and I encourage all parents to do this as well.

as for the chickenpox vaccine, it does NOT give lifetime immunity. and that is my big issue with it. and honestly I would prefer my kids be exposed to chickenpox as a child not as an adult and certainly not as a pregnant adult female.
I dont' want them to have to go thru life having to continuously pump more vaccine into their bodies. that is my issue with the cp vaccine.

as for all the others, my kids have had all their shots, my ds will be getting boosters that usually come during the 4-6 yo range, I just like to do things later, and on my own schedule than on the CDC schedule.
he may get them closer to 6 yo or 7 yo,
I do take issue with having to get a second dose of MMR as well. if you read the research nearly 100 % develop immunity its like 98% so the second dose is a "just in case you are in the 2%" so my plan is to have a titre done first before giving another dose of MMR. and it is actually the measles component that is needed in a second dose for the just in case,

but anyway, thanks to all the posters who answered

Yep, I was vaccinated for chicken pox as a preteen. My titres show that I am NOT immune. I'm pregnant and my daughter had a CP scare a few weeks ago - spots everywhere but they didn't blister over- turns out to be a reaction to a new detergent - but had they been chicken pox we may be in trouble considering I'm pregnant. So I wish I had contracted chicken pox as a child.

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

Exactly! So many people cannot believe that the gov't doesn't make mistakes. They are people!



Have you had your child tested for heavy metal poisoning? Not the blood test. The other test. I believe they do it from their urine. The blood tests aren't accurate because heavy metals embed in your soft tissue. Also do you follow the DAN protocol? How do you feel about it?
There is a book by Dr. Bock called something like Asthma, Allergies, Autism, Adhd- childhood illnesses. The title is very similar to that but I can't think of the exact name. It is a very informative book. You might want to check it out. It is quite interesting.

Oh- and I am not being rude but Jenny McCarthy doesn't say that she cured her son. She says that she recovered him because she feels that he was vaccine injured. She isn't really anti-vaccine but rather wants all of the junk taken out of our vaccines. My bff went to a conference where she spoke and she said it was very interesting and that she was very well informed.

EXACTLY! Jenny McCarthy uses the word "recovered". She also advocates for making vaccines safe. "Green Our Vaccines". I know a few families in our city who have autistic and autistic spectrum children who have improved SOOOO much with CST.

Oh and I also find it a bit odd how SIDS rates are largest starting a 2 months - right when they get their first vaccines?

I'm sorry but I think there are just too many variables, too little research, too much research that has been funded by people who hold an interest in the matter, and that many of these vaccines are still too for me to find them acceptable.

The Gardasil - seriously? It only "protects" against a few strains of it anyways - so you are still just as likely to get cervical cancer so long as it is the strain that Gardasil doesn't "protect against".

Adverse reactions are only reported a small portion of the time. Doctors write off so much as being "normal". I didn't know fevers were normal - normally they mean that the body is trying to fight infection. There are many things I hear parents say (baby slept for 7 or 8 hrs straight after getting vaccine) and the dotors say "normal"? Really? No not normal! LOL. Those things should be reported to VAERS

 

[DVCLiz]

The Gardasil - seriously? It only "protects" against a few strains of it anyways - so you are still just as likely to get cervical cancer so long as it is the strain that Gardasil doesn't "protect against".

That doesn't match what the research I have seen says. The Gardasil vaccine is effective against 4 strains of HPV, but those 4 strains are responsible for about 70% of the cases of HPV. It's not accurate to make the statement you did.

 

[MickeyMomOfThree]

I am curious, for all of you who don't homeschool, how do you get out of vaccines? I don't want to know to get out of any (as I said before my kids are fully vaccinated). But I am just curious. My oldest had Chicken Pox. The younger 2 did not and had to get the vaccine before entering kindergarten. Before entering kindergarten yo uhad to either have proof of having the shot or the disease. Maybe this is not everywhere, but here it is manditory. Just curious...

 

[npmommie]

here is a link that shows the requirements by state for exemptions, its also important to check your state requirements for what shots are needed and when, sometimes they are less than the federal requirements.
http://www.nvic.org/state-site/state-exemptions.htm

 

[mommyof2princesses]

The Gardasil - seriously? It only "protects" against a few strains of it anyways - so you are still just as likely to get cervical cancer so long as it is the strain that Gardasil doesn't "protect against".

That doesn't match what the research I have seen says. The Gardasil vaccine is effective against 4 strains of HPV, but those 4 strains are responsible for about 70% of the cases of HPV. It's not accurate to make the statement you did.

I have a wonderful pediatricain and family doctor who both told me not to get this shot for my daughter yet. She said it was still to new and had some problems.

I have vacinated my older with all shots. My younger dd has had only shots I feel are utterly inportant...NOT the chicken pox shot...It just seems if they are already having to give boosters so we may have adults getting chicken pox which is much more dangerous.

 

[1Prince3Princesses]

I do not even want to jump into this thread or debate since I have a child with vaccine injury. I did want to add this link for anyone who wants to read it...... thinktwice.com

 

[DVCLiz]

I have a wonderful pediatricain and family doctor who both told me not to get this shot for my daughter yet. She said it was still to new and had some problems.

I have vacinated my older with all shots. My younger dd has had only shots I feel are utterly inportant...NOT the chicken pox shot...It just seems if they are already having to give boosters so we may have adults getting chicken pox which is much more dangerous.

I don't care what your individual decision is - that's entirely up to you. My point was to the poster who made that comment. It's not accurate to say that Gardasil only protects against 4 strains of HPV so you are just as likely to get it - when the truth is that those four strains are responsible for about 70% of the HPV cases. Statistically, you are much LESS likely to get HPV if you are protected from the source of 70% of the cases, whether you have protection against any other strains or not.

 

[1Prince3Princesses]

The Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Children Survey:
We surveyed over 9,000 boys in California and Oregon and found that vaccinated boys had a 155% greater chance of having a neurological disorder like ADHD or autism than unvaccinated boys.

In 1983, the Centers for Disease Control recommended a total of 10 vaccines for our children. In 2008, the CDC recommends 36, an increase of 260%. (See a comparison here.) Yet, no studies have ever been done to compare neurological disorder ("ND") rates of unvaccinated children to vaccinated children. We commissioned a national market research firm to survey more than 17,000 children in California and Oregon. Read the results here.





This is from generationrescue.com - Jenny McCarthy's site

 

[DVCLiz]

I do not even want to jump into this thread or debate since I have a child with vaccine injury. I did want to add this link for anyone who wants to read it...... thinktwice.com

I am sorry for your child's injury. Although I am strongly in favor of vaccination, I don't dispute that there are some children who are vaccine-injured. I do beleive the overwhelming research that refutes any link between vaccines and autism - I think that's beating a dead horse. But I do believe other injuries are possible and that kids have suffered.

In the long run, I'm in favor of vaccines because I think they protect far more children than they harm. If I had a vaccine-injured child, I know I would feel different emotions.

 

[DVCLiz]

The Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Children Survey:
We surveyed over 9,000 boys in California and Oregon and found that vaccinated boys had a 155% greater chance of having a neurological disorder like ADHD or autism than unvaccinated boys.

In 1983, the Centers for Disease Control recommended a total of 10 vaccines for our children. In 2008, the CDC recommends 36, an increase of 260%. (See a comparison here.) Yet, no studies have ever been done to compare neurological disorder ("ND") rates of unvaccinated children to vaccinated children. We commissioned a national market research firm to survey more than 17,000 children in California and Oregon. Read the results here.

This is from generationrescue.com - Jenny McCarthy's site

See, that's the kind of stuff that just makes me shake my head - there's no science, just something someone posted on a web site. No science of any kind and yet to read that you would automatically think, "Well, wow, vaccines must cause ADHD!!"

As far as the number of vaccines and the breaking them up, that's a feel good measure some parents take, but scientifically there's no reason to do it. We've seen that research many times on these vaccine threads. If it makes moms feel good enough to get them to agree to ultimately get all the shots, then I suppose it's better than nothing. But those moms who say things like "I just can't put that much stuff into a tiny baby" don't understand anything about what the vaccine elements are and how they work - they are just reacting to some "gut" feeling that has no basis in fact.

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

The Gardasil - seriously? It only "protects" against a few strains of it anyways - so you are still just as likely to get cervical cancer so long as it is the strain that Gardasil doesn't "protect against".

That doesn't match what the research I have seen says. The Gardasil vaccine is effective against 4 strains of HPV, but those 4 strains are responsible for about 70% of the cases of HPV. It's not accurate to make the statement you did.

HELLO? 70%!! So what about the other 30%?? Where is the research you have seen? Who has funded it?

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

See, that's the kind of stuff that just makes me shake my head - there's no science, just something someone posted on a web site. No science of any kind and yet to read that you would automatically think, "Well, wow, vaccines must cause ADHD!!"

As far as the number of vaccines and the breaking them up, that's a feel good measure some parents take, but scientifically there's no reason to do it. We've seen that research many times on these vaccine threads. If it makes moms feel good enough to get them to agree to ultimately get all the shots, then I suppose it's better than nothing. But those moms who say things like "I just can't put that much stuff into a tiny baby" don't understand anything about what the vaccine elements are and how they work - they are just reacting to some "gut" feeling that has no basis in fact.

I completely understand the elements - fetus tissue, dead animals, heavy metals... all things I would absolutely love to inject into my child who has no say so in the deal.

 

[1Prince3Princesses]

Everyone has an opinion. I just wish I knew then what I know now. My opinion as well is "Too many Too Soon". I don't believe everyone should just NOT vaccinate entirely. I believe every situation is different too. Like a 27w old Multiple Preemie vs. a Full Term Singleton with a much better immune system. All I can say is get as much information before hand and make the best decision for your family. Everyone can debunk the link of vaccinations and ASD, BUT when that child is your own and YOU witnessed the change first hand, you know in your heart what the truth is. It is so easy to say "No Link" when you have healthy children that did not recieve a vaccine injury. You are very lucky!

 

[1Prince3Princesses]

I completely understand the elements - fetus tissue, dead animals, heavy metals... all things I would absolutely love to inject into my child who has no say so in the deal.

 

[jodifla]

I don't see what the big deal about the chicken pox booster is (for MOST children).

My DS had one yesterday. No side effects at all. I'd much have him have the shot instead of the disease....I still have scars on my face from my bout with chicken pox, and my brother in law was hospitalized with it as a kid. It was a miserable two weeks for me, that I still remember almost 40 years later. Pox covered my body, including my scalp. NO WAY would I want my child to get this.

And my son has a pretty significant communication disorder, but it has nothing to do with the shots.

It's one thing to avoid the shots if you and your doctor feel your family's medical history warrants it, and another thing altogether to decided there's some great conspiracy going on with doctors, the CDC and Big Pharma. I get my son vaccinated because it's the socially responsible thing to do, and it helps protect older people, pregnant women and children who can't get the shot.

 

[Sillyminny40]

http://health.howstuffworks.com/12-deadly-diseases-cured-in-the-20th-century.htm

Despite NOT vaccinating, the autism rate in Japan rose. "it does show there is no large-scale effect."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7076