Mission Space big mistake!

[DisneyKidds]

Screw the little ####'s. I got their parents' money. Stuff 'em in a McDonald's playground while their slacker acne-faced loser littermates spin until they puke out their eyeballs.

I suppose that is what then managements thinking was when Space Mountain was opened in DL and WDW? Space Mountain is perhaps one of the most recognized and classic of Disney rides. How do you feel about that one AV? Even if you want to maintain your position that ToT and the like are ok but M:S is too extreme, don't irresponsibly use the Walt quote that you did as not all DL and WDW attractions were made for all people and it does seem that you agree that it was ok to build rides that not everybody could go on. You just happen to draw the line at M:S. Well, drawing lines is a very subjective thing.

What's with the ####'s. Do they sell Valium in the Hollywood hills?

 

[Testtrack321]

Disney gives us $300 mill attraction and people are pissed because it dosn't feature an AA, or it's not a dark ride, etc.

Get a grip people. Get out in the air.

If it sounds like Mikie is pissing off AV, you should see me now...

 

[d-r]

WDW was not built just for your solitary benefit. There are 15,999,999 other people that WDW must please every year to stay in business

yes. exactly. 100%. thank you. may i put that in my .sig?

DR

 

[blackshirt]

Originally posted by Testtrack321
Disney gives us $300 mill attraction and people are pissed because it dosn't feature an AA, or it's not a dark ride, etc.

I hope that they didn't spend $300 million on this ride. My problem with present Disney management will not change if I love or hate this ride(which sounds great despite the fact that I refuse to ride the teacups) If I really like it I will still believe that Disney thinks one new major attraction every 3 years is sufficient to keep me coming back. If I hate it I will also believe that Disney thinks one new major attraction every 3 years is sufficient to keep me coming back.

 

[Another Voice]

"Disney gives us $300 mill attraction and people are pissed ..."

Interesting choice of words.

"Gives us"

Gee, I guess we no longer have to pay to go inside Epcot!


Nope, 'Mission: Space' is not a gift – Disney threw up a hunk of machinery and demand that folks plop down fifty bucks to take a whirl.

There's no "giving" – perhaps it's other that's need to get a grip on the "business" stuff.


There is no line that says "this is tame enough for Disney" and this is "too wild for Disney". It's a judgment call. The company was founded on the premise that people should have fun together. That doesn't mean they have to be chained to each other nor that personal choice is eliminated.

It's just that Disney was more on the "everybody rides" side of the spectrum, not the "only those who wish to spew" side of things.

I don't ever recall being told that I HAD to keep my head against the headrest on 'Space Mountain' or I'd spend the rest of the day with a headache. I don't recall cast members screeching that "this ride is too intense – go away" at a person in a wheelchair (the latest rumor to come out of WDW). And when you look at it, 'Space Mountain' is a very tame roller coaster, the real "thrills" come from the imagination and from story – the stuff Disney used to do. An awful lot of Disney's guests enjoy that, so much so that the attraction has been a draw for decades. They found the balace point.

The question for me is whether 'Mission: Space' is a good move on Disney's part: spend $100 million of someone else's money on a "major" attraction with a very limited audience. Disney is looking to this ride to keep Epcot afloat; I have my doubts whethers it's going to be able to do that (frankly, 15 year-old thrill seekers don't spend the money Disney is looking for).

What I think is incorrect is the sentiment that "I like it; therefore it's good for Disney". You're not Disney's only customer.

 

[OnWithTheShow]

AV,
You know better than to believe every rumor you hear. I have never met a Disney Cast Member who was rude to disabled guest. For that matter I know plenty od disabled guests who cannot fit on dumbo, on Space Mountain, the Matterhorn and others. How dare they build those attractions not for everyone.

 

[d-r]

What I think is incorrect is the sentiment that "I like it; therefore it's good for Disney". You're not Disney's only customer.

YES! yeS! even better! I'm glad that someone finally gets this!!!

THank you !!!!!

DR

 

[crusader]

(frankly, 15 year-old thrill seekers don't spend the money Disney is looking for).

They do at the movies just not in this market which is looking to drain thousands from the guest.

But 20-30 something year olds do pay to vacation and Disney must rise to the that demand or they are missing a bigger demographic than they realize. Back in Walt's day, you were married and with family by that time you turned 20, so a mild mannered ride structure would be great for everyone to enjoy. But just like everyone else, Walt's kids grew up and times changed.

Today, you're waiting until mid to late 30's- early 40's to start having children which means there are many more couples or single young adults to visit who've grown very tired of the selections. Why pay all that money for something you've done as a child and probably visited for the last time during a senior class trip having left with the feeling it was pretty good but lacked in the ride category. Imagine the last impression you have of Disneyworld being that you were too young to drink and too old for the rides. The likely result is that these kids won't be back until Jr. comes along 20 years later.

And where did they go instead? Europe/Cancun/Aruba/New Orleans/ LA all for less than a Disney vacation would cost.

 

[Testtrack321]

Originally posted by Another Voice

(frankly, 15 year-old thrill seekers don't spend the money Disney is looking for).

But a 17 year old might who will go by himself when he goes to collage will.

It's still a damn trill ride, and if you can't handle it, don't ride. I have also seen more families come out of M:S with smilies on their faces than they did on Horizions.

 

[degenerationxwwfwdw1]

I think this whole argument is really useless. Come on everybody knows that this is going to be (and probably already is) the single most popular ride on Disney property. And might even end up being bigger than Spiderman to become the most popular attraction in Orlando. Just look at the most popular rides in the Disney parks. MK - Space and Splash Mountain, Epcot - Mission Space and Test Track, MGM - Tower of Terror and Rock N Roller Coaster, AK - Kilamanjaro Safaris and Kali River Rapids. Out of all of those attractions only one is not a thrill ride (Safaris). Mission Space is about as big of a mistake as Finding Nemo was!!!

 

[Planogirl]

Originally posted by degenerationxwwfwdw1
I think this whole argument is really useless. Come on everybody knows that this is going to be (and probably already is) the single most popular ride on Disney property. And might even end up being bigger than Spiderman to become the most popular attraction in Orlando. Just look at the most popular rides in the Disney parks. MK - Space and Splash Mountain, Epcot - Mission Space and Test Track, MGM - Tower of Terror and Rock N Roller Coaster, AK - Kilamanjaro Safaris and Kali River Rapids. Out of all of those attractions only one is not a thrill ride (Safaris). Mission Space is about as big of a mistake as Finding Nemo was!!!

Your list of the most popular rides is interesting. Did you see this data printed somewhere? Is Kali really that popular?

One problem with this ride becoming bigger than Spiderman is that just about everyone can ride Spiderman plus it stars a very popular character. I'm withholding final judgment but I can't imagine a blast off into space having the legs (that word again) of Spiderman.

 

[Another Voice]

"But 20-30 something year olds do pay to vacation and Disney must rise to the that demand or they are missing a bigger demographic than they realize."

The 20-30 demographic that Disney gets are young families with young childern. All past attempts at getting the DINK crowd (dual incomes, no kids) from posh resorts to the Disney Institute have flopped miserably. Look at the commericals WDW runs - do any of them compete for the Cancun crowd? They've simply given up trying to go after that group.

WDW's brand identity is too strong, one thrill ride is not going to change it. Sure, if Disney wanted to drop a billion and open up a thrill park for the rich 20-30 set they might have a chance...but they only spent half that on Califorina Adventure and look what happened.


"It's still a damn trill ride, and if you can't handle it, don't ride."

If you think 'Mission: Space' is a test of your manhood, then you need to put down the PlayStation control and get out of the house more often.

The question remains if enough people want to puke for Disney to make money on the thing.

 

[degenerationxwwfwdw1]

Originally posted by Planogirl
Your list of the most popular rides is interesting. Did you see this data printed somewhere? Is Kali really that popular?

One problem with this ride becoming bigger than Spiderman is that just about everyone can ride Spiderman plus it stars a very popular character. I'm withholding final judgment but I can't imagine a blast off into space having the legs (that word again) of Spiderman.

No I just got my list from looking at what has the longest waiting times (not including extremely low capacity rides like Astro Orbitor and such) and just simply which rides were the most popular. Maybe you could throw in a Pooh or Peter Pan's Flight in there sometimes but that's not really what we are looking for. I don't think there are really any other logical choices than the ones I made.

Kali River Rapids for most of the day (excluding the first 3 hours of park operation) has by far the longest waiting time in the AK in the summer months. It is usually in the 45 min - 90 min range (Yes I have seen it posted at 90 before). So to answer your question Yes Kali is that popular.

And as far as Spiderman, I really like the ride and the effects are wonderful but it is kinda a whimpy ride so to speak. Mission Space is a "true" thrill ride (from what we are hearing) and that will be the big draw. I know that if M:S live up to the hype of being the biggest thrill in Orlando I would certainly rather ride that Spiderman any day. But everyone has to agree with your first two points about Spidy. Most everyone can ride it and it is a very popular character so I definately see where you are coming from.

 

[degenerationxwwfwdw1]

Originally posted by Another Voice
[BThe question remains if enough people want to puke for Disney to make money on the thing. [/B]

I think that's a pretty crazy statement considering how positive the reports are so far. It seems from almost all reader reviews (on another Disney site perticularly) that you are more likely to puke on Body Wars and the Teacups than you are on Mission Space. I am pretty sure I am much more likely to puke watching Beauty and the Beast Live on Stage (for the 1.100 time ) than on Mission Space!

 

[Fizban257]

I won't offer an opinion 'cause, face it, who cares what I think! I will offer my experience.

I rode MS on July 10th and again on July 11th. I didn't get sick either time, nor wobbly, nor did I get a headache. I also did not feel like I was spinning either time. And I did pick up my head to look over at my son and wife both times. The day of our second ride I'd spent the whole afternoon sampling beers from the different countries in the World Showcase. My 12-year old son was fine after both rides, as were my SIL(26), BIL(18), DW, and my Dad(55). And on the second ride my father had also been sampling beer all day, while my wife had been trying the wines of the world. Finally, I don't recall seeing anyone else around us getting sick either day.

The themeing was great, the ride was terrific, and the post-ride area was a lot of fun. We had nothing but a great experience on the ride. I understand some folks have had trouble, and I feel sorry for them--we loved it!

 

[Testtrack321]

Is it just me, or do people get pissed when Disney creates a ride after a popular TV show, movie, or other thing, yet Universal does it and they get praised.


The More You Know....

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by Testtrack321
Is it just me, or do people get pissed when Disney creates a ride after a popular TV show, movie, or other thing, yet Universal does it and they get praised.


The More You Know....

Nobody knows what your talking about. I don't want to turn this into a Universal thread because there is another section of the board if you want to complain about them...but do you know what Universal's marketing phrase is? "Universal where you can ride the moives". Strange that they would build rides and attractions around them uh?

I haven't checked but is this the first attempt in this post to drag in Universal when people are talking about Disney? This would be another post for the scoopable out there.

I have no problem with Disney creating ride attractions after movies or TV shows. Now creating movies based on 30 year old theme park attractions is another story. Hey as long as the attraction is fun and creative I have no problem with them.


The more you know...HA!

 

[KNWVIKING]

*** "I have no problem with Disney creating ride attractions after movies or TV shows. Now creating movies based on 30 year old theme park attractions is another story. "***

Why ? Because it's never been done ? Or because the first attempt was poorly done (County Bears) ?

If the movie is done well -as it appears PotC was,I haven't seen it yet- why care where the inspiration for it came from.

 

[Planogirl]

Originally posted by degenerationxwwfwdw1
And as far as Spiderman, I really like the ride and the effects are wonderful but it is kinda a whimpy ride so to speak. Mission Space is a "true" thrill ride (from what we are hearing) and that will be the big draw. I know that if M:S live up to the hype of being the biggest thrill in Orlando I would certainly rather ride that Spiderman any day. But everyone has to agree with your first two points about Spidy. Most everyone can ride it and it is a very popular character so I definately see where you are coming from.

I don't really believe that Spiderman being wimpy is too much of a factor. The other rides you mentioned with the possible exception of Tower of Terror and perhaps this new Mission Space ride are pretty wimpy too IMO.

Does Mission Space have a story? I've never heard a story of any kind mentioned, just the sensation of blasting off and having to push a button or something like that. Disney is best at telling a story usually. Do they do so in Mission Space?

 

[wdwguide]

Originally posted by Planogirl
Disney is best at telling a story usually. Do they do so in Mission Space?

Well yes, you are at the International Space Training Center in the year 2036, going through flight training for a deep space mission, which is later revealed to feature Mars as your destination.