Mission Space big mistake!

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by KNWVIKING
Why ? Because it's never been done ? Or because the first attempt was poorly done (County Bears) ?

If the movie is done well -as it appears PotC was,I haven't seen it yet- why care where the inspiration for it came from. [/B]

"Because it's never been done" Or because the first attempt was poorly done." - Now you do know that these two sentences contradict each other.

First let me say again. That I though POTC (the movie) was a very good movie.

Now with that out of the way. I don't think it shows imagination. What happens with they run out of theme park attractions that Walt built? Surly we are not going to see movie based on the back lot tour? Or Test Track? The other issue is that Disney is not building for the future when they resort to 30 year old theme park attractions for movie ideas. Now if you want to develop a brand new attraction and tie a new movie in with it then fine. Or if you want to film a brand new movie and tie a new theme park attraction in with it then fine. Strip mining everything creative from 30 years ago just shows you've run out of ideas or your just not trying.

 

[crusader]

The 20-30 demographic that Disney gets are young families with young childern. All past attempts at getting the DINK crowd (dual incomes, no kids) from posh resorts to the Disney Institute have flopped miserably. Look at the commericals WDW runs - do any of them compete for the Cancun crowd? They've simply given up trying to go after that group.

Interesting. It'll take more than a posh resort. Actually most of them are likely down there anyway due to a convention or other sponsored event complete with a litany of perks. The question is: how do you get them to bring a few friends and spend a few real dollars.

I do agree with the CA comments. The park needs something innovative and proprietary. I will be interesting to see whether or not the new Mummy ride at Universal will pan out. That should give the execs somewhat of a litmus test relatively cost free.

 

[Sandy541]

15 year old thrill seekers do not spend the money that Disney expects-------- but they don't come along. They bring parents, siblings, and friends. That should add up to spending the money Disney expect.

 

[Sandy541]

15 year olds do not spend the money Disney expects

I goofed last post ---15 year olds do not come alone., etc etc

 

[crusader]

I don't think it shows imagination.

If you are saying this simply because the concept was visibly present fine. But give credit for the inspiration and creativity in making the film.

You can apply this "lack of imagination" theory to the Titanic/Chicago/Lord of the Rings/The Little Mermaid/etc.............etc............etc...............
And any other screenplay adaptation out there. The difference here is that this happens to be a ride adaptation. Which considering the Country Bears fiasco actually took a certain amount of brass to pull off.

 

[KNWVIKING]

***""Because it's never been done" Or because the first attempt was poorly done." - Now you do know that these two sentences contradict each other." ***

LOL, yes and no. I just worded my thought poorly. "Never been done before" meaning Disney was the first to try it, but unsuccessfully with Bears.

***"Now with that out of the way. I don't think it shows imagination. What happens with they run out of theme park attractions that Walt built? "***

Well, Walt built rides based on other peoples books. Movies for the most part are a retelling of a book. Did the LotR or Harry Potter movies lack imagination ? What about the Spidey movie. Disney has some "classic" rides. Generating a good or even great movie doesn't mean they lack imagination. It can mean a renewed interest in a classic ride by a generation that may have thought it to corny to ride until they saw the movie.

Now don't twist my words to mean I'm in favor of a whole series of theme park ride movies.I don't need to see a thriller based on the TTA. But a movie based on Splash Mountain, maybe using animated as well as real charactors could be great.

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by KNWVIKING
But a movie based on Splash Mountain, maybe using animated as well as real charactors could be great.

Your kidding right? You mean Songs of the South?


How about naming an attractioin built by Eisner that you would make a movie about.

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by crusader
You can apply this "lack of imagination" theory to the Titanic/Chicago/Lord of the Rings/The Little Mermaid/etc.............etc............etc...............

Were any of those 30 year old theme park attractions?

 

[KNWVIKING]

ROTFLMAO.... Yeah EUROPA, I meant "Song of the South".

***"How about naming an attractioin built by Eisner that you would make a movie about."***

Honestly couldn't tell you which rides were built under ME. Are any of them "classics" yet. But even if his rides wouldn't qualify as great movie material it doesn't mean that some of Walt's don't. One has nothing to do with the other.

***"Were any of those 30 year old theme park attractions?"***

This statement has nothing to do with what we're discussing. My point was that Walt built rides based on books and stories. Walt built rides based on other peoples works. The movie industry gleans ideas from classic literature as well as current best sellers. Movies and rides are based on real live events- wars,space travel,historical events. Why wouldn't a movie based on a ride just be a natural extension of the creative process ?

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by KNWVIKING
This statement has nothing to do with what we're discussing. My point was that Walt built rides based on books and stories. Walt built rides based on other peoples works. The movie industry gleans ideas from classic literature as well as current best sellers. Movies and rides are based on real live events- wars,space travel,historical events. Why wouldn't a movie based on a ride just be a natural extension of the creative process ?

OK so POTC was based on what book? HM was based on what book? It's a small world was based on what book....

I know Walt took quite a few Grim Fairy Tales and made Films...and then Theme park attractions after the films. I don't know of any where he made a theme park attraction and then 10-20-30 years later he said we need to make a movie about X. Do you?

 

[KNWVIKING]

***OK so POTC was based on what book? HM was based on what book? It's a small world was based on what book....***

I doubt there was a specific book Pirates was based on,but rather the entire collection of books and movies based on them.

**** I don't know of any where he made a theme park attraction and then 10-20-30 years later he said we need to make a movie about X. Do you?****

Well, maybe if he had lived another 10-20 years we might know the answer to that. But of course, if Walt had made a movie based on one of his rides, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because then the idea would have been pure genius.

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by KNWVIKING
Well, maybe if he had lived another 10-20 years we might know the answer to that. But of course, if Walt had made a movie based on one of his rides, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because then the idea would have been pure genius.

I'm willing to admit that Eisner chose the two best theme park attractions to make movies about (HM and POTC) just because there is some sort of story to work with. (Country Bears should have never been attempted). So what now? What are the Theme Park attractions or what are the movies being made that is going to carry Disney 30 years into the future? Where is the creative drive? Walt is dead and Eisner is not building anything for the future. All of that money and time spent on trying to develop a story and movie on 30 year old theme park attractions should have been spent on new scripts, new movies and new fresh ideas. Eisner is sacrificing the future of Disney for short term goals.

 

[KNWVIKING]

***"I'm willing to admit that Eisner chose the two best theme park attractions to make movies about (HM and POTC) just because there is some sort of story to work with. (Country Bears should have never been attempted). "***

Agreed.No argument there.

***" So what now? What are the Theme Park attractions or what are the movies being made that is going to carry Disney 30 years into the future? "***

I don't know what's next. Does anybody ? I have no problem with the concept of making a good movie based on a classic ride. If the ride presents good material,something to build a movie like PotC from, then great, I'm all for it.

But of course the other extreme is Bears. I am not in favor of a cheap rip off. But for the time being it appears ME learned from the Bears mistake and PotC is, and HM sounds like it will be, a quality product,something Disney can be proud of.

***"Eisner is sacrificing the future of Disney for short term goals."***

Not this time....at least not yet. I may agree with you in a year or two, but for now my glass is still half full.

 

[JeffH]

Thrill rides are not for everybody, duh.
Although I would personnally rather have Disney build 5 great new 'Disney' attractions (which take 20, not just 5 minutes to ride) with the huge mound of dough it takes to build just 1 thrill ride like Mission Space. I do, however understand the 'need' for such attractions and I do enjoy them to a degree (the degree just before I get sick), but I still contend that they should have build Test Track and Mission Space in addition to Motion and Horizons, to retain Walt's wish to build rides that both parents and kids could ride together.
I 'suffer' from motion sickness...I can't read in a car, I almost bolted out the exit during the original Body Wars (that was toned down), and more than 2 trips on Space Mountain or Rock and Roller Coaster.
I managed to 'survive' Mission: Space, twice now with it ending just as my nausea started to rear it's ugly head (so it ended in time). I enjoyed it, but don't plan on riding it every time I can.

 

[anotherboardnposter]

With all this talk of people vomiting, all I can think of is the modern classic "Tiny Toon Adventures" direct-to-video movie "How I Spent My Vacation".

Specifically, Plucky Duck's line:

"I'm gonna go on every ride 'til I barf...TWICE!"

Sincerely,

John "anotherboardnposter" Kilduff...

HAPPY-GO-PUKEY!

 

[Walt's Frozen Head]

Actually, an intern-scripted, DTV-quality production of "Splash Mountain" with a Jungle Book 2 style theatrical release of an ad campaign sounds like it would hit a lot of targets for Disney; including tossing another log on that fire 'pon which South of the Song lays burning...

 

[wdwguide]

The Walt Disney Treasures series is pretty much their testing ground for how controversial footage can be released on the contemporary market uncensored. I would not be surprised if Song of the South were eventually released under this (or a similar) limited series intended for true enthusiasts and not the mass market. If the feedback is positive, then there may be a wide release some years later...

Of course, that's just my idle speculation... And what that has to do with Mission: SPACE I don't know either... Hm... ah yes, Walt Disney's Tomorrowland is one of the upcoming Walt Disney Treasures titles, reportedly featuring some of Walt's space-themed shows. There ya go, connection established.

 

[eeyore0062]

I rode Mission Space twice in the past 2 weeks during previews and thought it to be one of the very best that Disney has had to offer in the recent years.

Yes, the G forces were intense, but that should have been expected, since it is a space mission simulation. I was VERY excited about this addition, and it definitely lived up to all of my expectations, and then some. My DD who is 9 didn't like it the 1st time, but with the influence of her cousin she rode it again, and pronounced it is now among her favorites. DH and I also thought is was better the 2nd time around, when we knew more what to expect. The preshow gives those who aren't sure, or have problems with close areas and motion sickness amble time and warning to exit the ride prior to boarding. We also found that if you heed the warnings not to look around, lean forward or close your eyes, you will avoid nausea and dizziness. I never had either, and my DH only complained of slight dizziness after disembarking. DD had no complaints at all.

If you rode it the 1st time, and were on the fence, then definitely give it a second try. I am certainly glad that we did!

 

[msdis]

DH and I rode it last week. DH gets nauseous on Star Tours and Body Wars, I do not and have enjoyed both for years. Neither of us will be in line for MS again. Glad there are those who loved it and that it will not be a waste of money as I am a stock holder and DVC owner, I value Disney's future. But we were both ill afterward and will be happy to shorten the lines for others.

 

[JeffH]

Our favorite part is the post-show.
Tasha loves the Space Base and I love the Space Race.