middle class income?

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<font color=blue>When we were kids (long time ago)
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After reading another thread on the disboards, I am curious as to what income range is now considered middle-class Americans. Does anyone know where to find the answer to that question?

I always considered the family I grew up in middle class. Stay at home mom, Dad who worked (sometimes 2 jobs) 1 car, single family home with 3 bedrooms and 4 kids, fenced back yard, vacations consisted of camping in a trailer. Parents aren't saving for retirement because they foolishly believe Social Security and their life long job will have retirement income. With todays standards and inflation is that still middle class? Or would it look something like this...

Both parents work, both own cars, 1 bedroom for each child, single family home, get away vacations every other year, investments for retirement and childs college funds.

As a kid I remember if you went to "private" school you were upper class,Or if your family owned a boat, you ate out more than once a month (and by out I mean the one McDonalds in the county. If you went to public school you were middle class. And although I hate to admit it, I do NOT intend to offend anyone, this is my thought process as a CHILD, anyone who lived in an apartment I considered lower middle class, and if you took advantage of free school lunch or lived in an apartment complex, I had you tagged as low income. (again the thought process of a child) Of course, that was before condos. Now a days I wish I could afford to live in some of what I would have considered "apartment" complexes in those days. ;)

My parents paid $15,000.00 for the house I grew up in. I purchased that house 36 years later. I bought the same house the only "cosmetic improvement" (a.k.a no additions, plumbing, blowing out of walls, etc.)were a partial update to the electrical, put up a chain link fence, and paved the driveway, the house was appraised by a realtor for $152,000.00. I wish I could give you what that same house would be worth now, but we have done many changes over the past 25 years.

But, I digress, So what is middle class?
 
I think that we fit into your version of today's middle class...

I know that it seems we are "too rich to be poor and too poor to be rich".

I was raised very poor, so I can't speak of times growing up middle class. I am so thankful and my wife and I work hard to make sure that my kids have better opportunities (or life in general) then I had growing up.
 
I think it could be both. We're a military family and I would say most military families are middle class. We have a room for each kid (only 2 kids though, lol), 2 cars and travel extensively. DH has 15 years in and will pension out young. Lots of military qualifies for reduced lunch and WIC etc... but only because they only take into account taxable income. Plus with benefits we are very comfortable middle class.

I grew up into what some consider rich. I went to private elementary school because we lived in a poor area (my Dad was finishing up his residency in family medicine). But once my Dad was established we moved a nice area and went to public school. Me and DH are planning on sending our DD to private school for kindergarten because we'll be in Alaska and they have a horrible school system. It's just a financial priority for us.
 

It also depends on your family income and where you live.

DH and I make well about the median family income for the US, but because we live in a very rich county in NJ we make well below the median income for where we live.

Do we count as middle class? To us, I'd call us lower middle class. Based on our income and the majority of the rest of the country, we'd be upper class.

It's all relative. Based on our home, 2 cars, etc. Yes we are as middle as it comes.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class_in_the_United_States

Interesting.

I have heard this question asked often and truly there is no right answer for it. Middle class in terms of income levels can not clearly be defined any longer. A police officer in Kansas may earn $40K while a police officer in NYC may earn 97K. My guess is that they live similar lifestyles in terms of what they can buy and afford based on cost of living.

Wiki adds social class and education levels into the mix as well. Upper middle class are those who have a degree or even an advanced degree but still need to work. They even add in the corporate elite who may make over $250K but still do work hard to earn their money.

Dawn
 
i consider my family middle class. we both work, bought our house for $80k, we have 2 cars a dodge journey & a nissan versa. my kids go to public school, we vacation every year. we have debt and should def be saving more.
 
Wikipedia has a great page on this. I encourage you to look it over.

Thank you. I read a bit of it and will go back to read more. I do find it very interesting. I then researched average income. Also very interesting.


Thanks for all the replies. I hope they continue.
 
I think you can safely say you are middle class once your taxes are so high that you can't take advantage of the tax breaks for the working class. So, in a nutshell, if you are getting earned income credits on your taxes, you are not middle class. If you are NOT allowed to take some credits on your taxes because your income is too high (like the child tax credit, or your home owners taxes/interest)then welcome to the middle class.

I'm not sure how accurate my analysis is...lol. I hope this doesn't become a political debate!!
 
I looked up median income for my city on city-data.com and was surprised to see that as far as 2009 (the most recent numbers they list) we were above median income in our town. Of course, we have two earners in our household so it may be that there are a lot of families with a SAHP where the other parent is making as much as DH and I combined, too. Which makes a family look "richer" from the outside even though their bottom line might not be much different from mine.

(for the record, I grew up being constantly teased about "being poor" because we lived in an apartment. The truth of the matter was that my father was in kidney failure and could not deal with the maintenance living in a house would require, so we moved to an apartment. It had little to do with income or ability to own a home.)
 
Also, keep in mind that "middle class income" has little to do with the actual number, since cost of living is so different from place to place. I see the OP is from near Boston - I'm sure the OP would be stunned to hear that the non-forclosed, just "for sale" house behind me - three bedrooms, two baths, decent sized lot - is for sale for $80k. I have a friend who recently bought a house in Somerville, and the $ she paid for her house made me :scared1:, but that's just the difference in cost of living.
 
I think it greatly depends on cost of living. DH and I have a house, 2 cars, etc. and make about $75K/yr combined. But the cheapest house possible where we live was $230K so we barely scrape by sometimes... Cheapest one bedroom apartment is like $1600/month which is 50% of our monthly income.
 
I consider us middle to upper-middle class.
- Our federal top tax bracket is 15%. Hubby wears 'business casual' to his 8-5 job. He has a bachelors degree while I have a master's.
-We have a 15 year note on our one-step-above-starter home [3/2 with study] in our town where the median price is 2x our home's value. Our community has an HOA and a pool/park complex.
-We drive 2 cars, compact & SUV both over 5 years old and paid for.
-We have retirement and college savings, a 6 month emergency fund. However we also have about 15% of our income in credit card/medical debt that we are working to pay off in about 18 months
- Children attend public school and have limited extra activities - music lessons, Scouting and Basketball.
-I am a stay-at-home mom who clips coupons so eat at home about 90% of our meals to help pay off our debt faster
- Travel is limited to car trips. This year we went to Great Wolf Lodge (20 minutes away) on 2 trips or 4 nights total and we brought our own food. Drove to Sea World (used hotwire for hotel) for 3 days and to relatives beach house for 4 days (8 hour drive). We spent about 3% of our income on travel. We plan to do this again in 2012. Our next Disney trip is planned for summer 2013 when we have paid off our debt and figure that trip will cost about 6% of our income. We were planning to go a cruise Spring 2012, but scrapped that plan when the hospital bill came in :eek:
- We have basic model cell phones though I do have an ipad. Our computers other than the kids laptop deal this past Christmas for $300 are all over 3 years old. We just cut the movie channels on our cable and reduced our Netflix to 3 DVDs & Streaming. We have high speed internet. We have gym and local pool memberships.

I might put us as upper, because I think in our neighborhood, we earn more than most and could probably save/spend more once we get rid of the dang debt!
 
I think there is some middle class in between these two.

However, it may again depend on where you live. Someone earning $150K in San Francisco lives quite differently than one in Raleigh, NC earning the same income.

Dawn

I think you can safely say you are middle class once your taxes are so high that you can't take advantage of the tax breaks for the working class. So, in a nutshell, if you are getting earned income credits on your taxes, you are not middle class. If you are NOT allowed to take some credits on your taxes because your income is too high (like the child tax credit, or your home owners taxes/interest)then welcome to the middle class.

I'm not sure how accurate my analysis is...lol. I hope this doesn't become a political debate!!
 
Our income isn't impressive at all, but for our township we seem to be upper middle class. We both work and the average is less than either of us make alone. There are 5 of us in a 3 bedroom house. We own 1 car and have no debt except the car and house. If things keep up this way, I think we will be able to build up a good retirement but DH just got out of school (PhD) 3 years ago, so we were paying tons of debt off until last year.
 
WOW! I so appreciate everyones honesty & input.
I feel I haven't given much info about myself.
I have always thought we are middle class. But for a long time we were probably lower class. And looking back for several years we were probably upper middle class. Even though I appreciated it & tried to give back a reasonable amount I wasn't realistic as to how much disposable income we had coming in. Things are different now. We live in the same house, but had to go from our original mortgage (which would have been paid off about now) to many more years on our mortgage. So, I guess we would be considered lower middle class. I appreciate that we have been able to stay in the home that I grew up in.

And to the pp I REALLY hope this doesn't end up in a political debate that was not my intention.

yes, I live in the Boston area, and yes you would be very hard pressed to find a home (in any area in any shape) for $80k. We have homes in my town going for anywhere between $250k to (I've heard) $900k. And the funny thing is the town isn't that big, so the 250k house is about 1/8 walking mile from the 900k house. :confused3

Oh, I also wanted to add. The comment about living in an apartment. As a child I never considered maintenance or conveince, or a temporary situation, or just plain preference. DH and I lived in an apartment for years before we purchased my families home. AND when all the kids are out, I'm heading to a retirement community, that may very well be what, as a child I would have considered an apartment.
 
I consider us middle to upper-middle class.
- Our federal top tax bracket is 15%. Hubby wears 'business casual' to his 8-5 job. He has a bachelors degree while I have a master's.
-We have a 15 year note on our one-step-above-starter home [3/2 with study] in our town where the median price is 2x our home's value. Our community has an HOA and a pool/park complex.
-We drive 2 cars, compact & SUV both over 5 years old and paid for.
-We have retirement and college savings, a 6 month emergency fund. However we also have about 15% of our income in credit card/medical debt that we are working to pay off in about 18 months
- Children attend public school and have limited extra activities - music lessons, Scouting and Basketball.
-I am a stay-at-home mom who clips coupons so eat at home about 90% of our meals to help pay off our debt faster
- Travel is limited to car trips. This year we went to Great Wolf Lodge (20 minutes away) on 2 trips or 4 nights total and we brought our own food. Drove to Sea World (used hotwire for hotel) for 3 days and to relatives beach house for 4 days (8 hour drive). We spent about 3% of our income on travel. We plan to do this again in 2012. Our next Disney trip is planned for summer 2013 when we have paid off our debt and figure that trip will cost about 6% of our income. We were planning to go a cruise Spring 2012, but scrapped that plan when the hospital bill came in :eek:
- We have basic model cell phones though I do have an ipad. Our computers other than the kids laptop deal this past Christmas for $300 are all over 3 years old. We just the movie channels on our cable and reduced our Netflix to 3 DVDs & Streaming. We have high speed internet. We have gym and local pool memberships.

I might put us as upper, because I think in our neighborhood, we earn more than most and could probably save/spend more once we get rid of the dang debt!

Sorry, but you need to get your priorities in order. You have pay premium TV, vacations, new gadgets, you are holding consumer credit card debt, but you are putting money into 529?:confused3:confused3 You needto get your priorities straight. You are teetering on the line of failure. Sure 529s are nice, but the little bit of interest you are earning is far outweighed the crazy interest you are paying on consumer debt.
 
I think it could be both. We're a military family and I would say most military families are middle class. We have a room for each kid (only 2 kids though, lol), 2 cars and travel extensively. DH has 15 years in and will pension out young. Lots of military qualifies for reduced lunch and WIC etc... but only because they only take into account taxable income. Plus with benefits we are very comfortable middle class.

I grew up into what some consider rich. I went to private elementary school because we lived in a poor area (my Dad was finishing up his residency in family medicine). But once my Dad was established we moved a nice area and went to public school. Me and DH are planning on sending our DD to private school for kindergarten because we'll be in Alaska and they have a horrible school system. It's just a financial priority for us.

Where did you hear Alaska has horrible schools:confused3 We were stationed there for 7 years and the schools are far from "horrible"
 
Sorry, but you need to get your priorities in order. You have pay premium TV, vacations, new gadgets, you are holding consumer credit card debt, but you are putting money into 529?:confused3:confused3 You needto get your priorities straight. You are teetering on the line of failure. Sure 529s are nice, but the little bit of interest you are earning is far outweighed the crazy interest you are paying on consumer debt.

Where does she mention 529s as their college savings vehicle and where does it say her consumer debt interest is crazy high?!:confused3


We recently incurred a small (less than 2k) amount of medical debt because of a surgery DH had to have...I slapped it onto a cc we normally do not use because they offered 0% interest for 12 months...I opted to do that and pay interest free monthly instead of draining 2k out of our savings...

I don't think the poster you speak of is 'teetering on the line of failure" any more than anyone else-- as a matter of fact, she sounds very reasonable and responsible.

Personally, I believe it is as important to save for kids college and get them graduated with as little debt as humanly possible...as it is to save for one's own retirement. Both are possible to accomplishe with a bit of discipline and sacrifice...

Maybe you are joking though...and I am not reading the sarcasm accurately
 












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