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[Talking Hands]

Do you have any real scientific reposts of swim diapers efficacy? I honestly take any statement in an advertisement or website selling a product with a grain of salt as they are trying to sell a product.
Really doesn't matter since they are banned on DCL and the rules state that children that are not potty trained can only use a specific area for swimming. Until Disney decides to change those rules it really is a moot point.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
Ok, well you are talking about specific swim diapers that MOST people do not use. Most people buy the disposible ones at the grocery store or Walmart. They do not hold everything in.

Even the website you provided said it "significantly reduce the chances of the deadly E. coli bacteria from being released into water by infants and toddlers who wear the products"...that's not 100%. There is still a chance.

I was only asking a question. I thought swim diapers were banned (on the ships) so they are a non-issue aren't they? I thought the rule was no swim diapers and I was asking for clarification. That is why I asked.

No they are not a non issue and the reason why the typical swim diapers are banned is because they can explode and the gel in them can go into the pool.

But either way if a parent was concerned that their children may have an accident the mypoolpals are an option.

The point of my previous response was not the efficency of swim diapers although mypoolpals seem to be excellent. My point was that this cannot be a big enough problem on DCL or they would enforce the rules more. They are the professionals when it comes to dealing with pool issues lets just leave it up to them.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Talking Hands
Do you have any real scientific reposts of swim diapers efficacy? I honestly take any statement in an advertisement or website selling a product with a grain of salt as they are trying to sell a product.
Really doesn't matter since they are banned on DCL and the rules state that children that are not potty trained can only use a specific area for swimming. Until Disney decides to change those rules it really is a moot point.

You could say that also about the rule not being enforced...All this is moot then.

 

[KathyTX]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
No they are not a non issue and the reason why the typical swim diapers are banned is because they can explode and the gel in them can go into the pool.

No, the problem with swim diapers is that, while usually effective at containing SOLID waste, they cannot contain more "watery" accidents. And those watery accidents are often the result of the very contagious stomach bugs (like Norwalk) that have resulted in the cancellation of cruises.

DCL has ruled that swim diapers are not allowed, and that non-potty trained indivuals are not allowed in the pools. That's their rule.

The "I don't think they enforce it aggressively enough, so I don't have to follow the rule" attitude is awfully self-centered and inconsiderate, IMHO.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by KathyTX
No, the problem with swim diapers is that, while usually effective at containing SOLID waste, they cannot contain more "watery" accidents. And those watery accidents are often the result of the very contagious stomach bugs (like Norwalk) that have resulted in the cancellation of cruises.

DCL has ruled that swim diapers are not allowed, and that non-potty trained indivuals are not allowed in the pools. That's their rule.

The "I don't think they enforce it aggressively enough, so I don't have to follow the rule" attitude is awfully self-centered and inconsiderate, IMHO.

That is not the attitude I have so please don't act like you are quoting me when saying that. I have worked very hard with my son and he is now fully potty trained for our upcoming cruise in NOV (I had some concerns as you will see in previous posts on the disablitities board).

My point is that is is OBVIOUSLY not as big of an issue that this thread is making it out to be or DCL would enforce the rule. I never said it should be disregarded by parents. BUT with that said proper precautions are usually followed by parents of children with disablilities and as long as these precautions are taken than I have no problem with a youngester using the pool. That is just my personal opinion on the subject. Never did I once say parents should not follow the rules.
Do I think children who cannot be potty trained should be denied acess to the pool...nope...but let Disney work that out with the families individually. It is not our job to police the pools it is DCLs.

 

[JenKatt]

This topic is getting pretty full of poop

 

[MarcyIn Florida]

I've stayed away from this thread, but I do want to comment based on experience.

I live in central Florida, i.e. tourist capital of the world, and "Brown Alerts" are a HUGE problem here. While I don't necessarily agree with DCL's rules and how they enforce them, I certainly understand the no-non-potty-trained kids in the pool rule. Solid poop is not the scray part -- it's the kid that has diarrhea and no one notices that there has been an accident in the pool that causes the scare. There have been many illnesses, and at least one death of which I'm aware, as a result of fecal matter in pools. And yes, non potty trained kids and adults can have accidents, too, but DCL is trying to prevent as many accidents as it can by targeting the group most likely to have the accidents.

DCL has to wory about a huge number of people getting sick at sea, and this is how they've addressed it.

I know that my dd2 would love to go in the pool, but I respect that DCL has this rule and will only let her go in kiddie-allowed the fountain area.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
No they are not a non issue and the reason why the typical swim diapers are banned is because they can explode and the gel in them can go into the pool.

But either way if a parent was concerned that their children may have an accident the mypoolpals are an option.

The point of my previous response was not the efficency of swim diapers although mypoolpals seem to be excellent. My point was that this cannot be a big enough problem on DCL or they would enforce the rules more. They are the professionals when it comes to dealing with pool issues lets just leave it up to them.

YES, this whole subject is a non-issue because DCL has banned swim diapers! Of course, it's up to them to inforce that rule and although I've only been on two cruises (3rd this November) as far as I could see it was inforced. The CMs did the best they could, at least that's what I saw.

I really don't get why you are so defensive about my posts. I gave my opinion and then I asked if the swim diapers were still banned cause from some posts on this thread it seemed like maybe they weren't...so what's the problem?

What are you talking about when you say "leave it up to them"? I don't get it? What am I not leaving up to them??? I'm lost?

If the rule is no swim diapers, then it's no swim diapers. They are going to do what they have to do. I never said I'd do anything if I saw a swim diaper kid swimming on my cruise, did I? So I'm not sure why my posts bother you so?

When my 2 DDs were toddlers, I used those swim diapers all the time at local pools etc... and they NEVER blew up or explode (and a few times the pee leak out all over their carseats though)...I think you might be thinking of regular baby diapers. They blow up and explode, but all the swim diapers I've ever used did not blow up or explode.

I just want to add that I could careless what DCL decides about swim diapers...whether they ban them, let us use them again, whatever. Whatever they feel is best for our safety is fine with me. I just don't get why these swim diapers are an issue on this thread when DCL has a policy in place???

 

[bemily]

I have a little funny story as an aside...While we were on our cruise on the Wonder back Christmas time 2002, the mickey pool was closed one morning. My husband asked the pool attendant what was going on and he said "the pool is closed for cleaning due to fecal release"...That one still gets us laughing...

I am on the fence on the issue. Is it really such a huge risk for non-potty trained children if they were in proper swim diapers? This may sound ignorant, but what did people do for years before these rules and how many people were actually affected??

I would not cruise right now with my son because he is 2 1/2 years and LOVES the pool, I wouldnt be able to keep him away without a fight, but I would have to respect the rules, although not like them...

 

[ClarabelleCow]

Is the reason swim diapers are banned because it makes it easy for parents to allow their definately non-potty trained kids into the pools?

But in the mickey ears, obviously the tots are not potty trained, so what are they wearing?

Cruising has been around for over 100 years, on other ships, do they just not allow children? Is there an age cutoff?

just curious?

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by ClarabelleCow
Is the reason swim diapers are banned because it makes it easy for parents to allow their definately non-potty trained kids into the pools?

I have no clue why they decided to ban them. On our 1998 cruise, they were not banned.

Also, on our last 2 cruises, the ear was not closed off.

Not sure what the policies are now. No swim diapers at all period? Or can you wear them in that kiddie ear only?

It's so confusing.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
I have no clue why they decided to ban them. On our 1998 cruise, they were not banned.

Also, on our last 2 cruises, the ear was not closed off.

Not sure what the policies are now. No swim diapers at all period? Or can you wear them in that kiddie ear only?

It's so confusing.

I have seen swim diapers explode but maybe that is too strong of a word but they also have the gel in them that can leak whatever into the pool. They do not fill up like a diaper does so that is why explode in my previous post may have been too strong of a word. So this could be the raeson for the ban? Maybe stronger laws regarding cruise line pools? I am not sure maybe someone else has the answer to that.

The plastic pants that are the regulation kind do not leak. The reason I know this is I had my son signed up for swimming lessons as a baby and I bought them from the swim school for my son when he was an infant. Those plastic ones hold EVERYTHING in. That is why they are allowable in public pools (at least around here).

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
YES, this whole subject is a non-issue because DCL has banned swim diapers! Of course, it's up to them to inforce that rule and although I've only been on two cruises (3rd this November) as far as I could see it was inforced. The CMs did the best they could, at least that's what I saw.

I really don't get why you are so defensive about my posts. I gave my opinion and then I asked if the swim diapers were still banned cause from some posts on this thread it seemed like maybe they weren't...so what's the problem?

What are you talking about when you say "leave it up to them"? I don't get it? What am I not leaving up to them??? I'm lost?

If the rule is no swim diapers, then it's no swim diapers. They are going to do what they have to do. I never said I'd do anything if I saw a swim diaper kid swimming on my cruise, did I? So I'm not sure why my posts bother you so?

When my 2 DDs were toddlers, I used those swim diapers all the time at local pools etc... and they NEVER blew up or explode (and a few times the pee leak out all over their carseats though)...I think you might be thinking of regular baby diapers. They blow up and explode, but all the swim diapers I've ever used did not blow up or explode.

I just want to add that I could careless what DCL decides about swim diapers...whether they ban them, let us use them again, whatever. Whatever they feel is best for our safety is fine with me. I just don't get why these swim diapers are an issue on this thread when DCL has a policy in place???

The reason for my "defensiveness" was because youy made it sound like I was encouraging people to disregard the rule that is all.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
The reason for my "defensiveness" was because youy made it sound like I was encouraging people to disregard the rule that is all.

Could you post some quotes as to how I made it sound like you were encouraging people to disregard the swim diaper rule????????? This boggles my mind! I'm truly perplexed by this!

I posted my opinion on the OP and all the posts thereafter and then I asked if the swim diapers were still being banned and you replied to me and told me I was wrong about swim diapers not holding everything...then I replied to you that I disgreed and thought swim diapers were not 100% safe and again asked if they were still banned and then you replied to my post and so on...I never ever said anything remotely accusing you of anything! Geez! Re-read our conversation and you'll see. We only disagreed on whether they worked or not which doesn't really matter as DCL has banned them.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

The "I don't think they enforce it aggressively enough, so I don't have to follow the rule" attitude is awfully self-centered and inconsiderate, IMHO. [/B]

UH here?
This was in response to my post where you quoted me. I never said that I think people should disregard the rules. I just gave my opinion on them and how people with disabled kids go out of their way to make sure that poo doesn't happen and usually get permission for the person who is disabled to enjoy the pool...or not.

The attitude that bugs me about this entire thread is that an accident is being blamed on a parent of children who are not potty trained WHEN in all actuality it could have been a fully potty trained child or an adult. It was an accident.

This happens and it is part of a public pool. The only reason I pointed out that the stuff isn't held by swim diapers was untrue because there are swim diapers that do keep everything out of the pool. So rather than have misinformation I just corrected it. That is all.

 

[crisi]

CDC regulation (Centers for Disease Control)

http://www.nspf.com/documents/articles/cruiseshipregs.pdf

last thing on the last page.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
UH here?

The "I don't think they enforce it aggressively enough, so I don't have to follow the rule" attitude is awfully self-centered and inconsiderate, IMHO.

This was in response to my post where you quoted me. I never said that I think people should disregard the rules. I just gave my opinion on them and how people with disabled kids go out of their way to make sure that poo doesn't happen and usually get permission for the person who is disabled to enjoy the pool...or not.

The attitude that bugs me about this entire thread is that an accident is being blamed on a parent of children who are not potty trained WHEN in all actuality it could have been a fully potty trained child or an adult. It was an accident.

This happens and it is part of a public pool. The only reason I pointed out that the stuff isn't held by swim diapers was untrue because there are swim diapers that do keep everything out of the pool. So rather than have misinformation I just corrected it. That is all.

Uh no that wasn't me! You might want to be careful when you quote people.

It was KathyTX and she wrote what is below NOT ME!!:

No, the problem with swim diapers is that, while usually effective at containing SOLID waste, they cannot contain more "watery" accidents. And those watery accidents are often the result of the very contagious stomach bugs (like Norwalk) that have resulted in the cancellation of cruises.

DCL has ruled that swim diapers are not allowed, and that non-potty trained indivuals are not allowed in the pools. That's their rule.

The "I don't think they enforce it aggressively enough, so I don't have to follow the rule" attitude is awfully self-centered and inconsiderate, IMHO.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Ok so where was I defensive to you?

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Ok so where was I defensive to you?

Oh I give up!

What are you talking about? I just don't get why you keep this up.

You can't even admit when you've made a mistake! You said I said something I didn't PERIOD.

See ya.

 

[drclaws]

A show hands, please......who thinks this thread has now run its course and is ripe for locking?