Michael Jackson and Debbie Rowe...you are NOT the parents!

[Mickeyistheman]

I do beleive the children are his, I do not think he had any "relations" with Debbie Rowe if you catch my drift but alot of celebrities have come out and said they had met MJ and he was very good to his children and he took care of them (along with the nannies too)

I also don't beleive some of these reports that are coming out. Alot of people did not like MJ and knew that he could be taken advantage of and I think that is what is going to happen. I also didn't realize that his oldest is 12! How hard it must be for them right now, I just hope that they see how much he is loved by his fans because of the great music.

I also have to disagree with a PP that said the kids don't look like him. The oldest Prince looks like him. My cousin who is white married the most wonderful black man and they have 2 beautiful children...they are very, very white! So just because the kids aren't black or even have a darker complexsion (totally spelled that wrong) doesn't mean they aren't biologically his.

 

[Jennasis]

TMZ and Perez are credible sources? ?? Let me know when CNN/Fox/NBC picks it up.

 

[amberg@eastlink.ca]

i feel so bad for these poor kids....im sure theres no way they arent seeing any of it, i mean its all ove r the tv, its outside where theyre styaing...how awful!!! numebrious times i have said to hubby this past week- theres no way those kids are biologically his...but im not a geneticist or a lawyer.

as for joe jackson- good god give it up- your son is dead stop peddling your record company and stealing the spotlight. your day has past, you may have ruled with an iron fist when the boys were younger, but its now 40(?) years later, your washed up. let michael rest in peace. and dear god help those kids if he ends up with custody in any way shape or form!!!

 

[Vixen]

Michael Jackson was the father of these children. Genetics have little to do with being a parent although some people become parents through biology. What is the point of this thread. He was their father. He is dead. Sperm and egg donors have no parental rights.

ITA

 

[Jenvenza]

Again... I'm not an attorney.
But, in the case of a donated anonymous embryo, I can't imagine that a child could have a birth certificate with 'unknown' for both parents.
I don't have any experience with surrogates, but do they have to legally adopt the children?
I'm thinking that MJ got around this whole thing by being married to the surrogate.

My post must have been passed over earlier.

My nephew was born from a sperm donor. The father on his birth certificate was my sister's husband. Not "unknown".

I am also on the list to be an egg donor for infertile couples. If someone was ever to use me, the birth certificate would say the couple's name who used my eggs. Trust me, I know a lot about this and I work in a legal firm. Those were his kids - whether he was the biological father or not.

 

[RadioNate]

Imagine a scenario where a wife has an affair and gets pregnant. The child may or may not be a product of that affair. The husband's name is put on the birth cert and he insists that the child is his.

Please show me the missing dot or uncrossed T in my hypothetical scenario.

Agreed, and with estate transfers, legal is the only thing that matters.

and what happens if both parents die and actual biological father steps forward wanting the child? Then what? What if their are no provisions in the will?

I'm hoping that Jackson covered every legal scenario. I'm hoping any potential legal loopholes can be covered by his marriage to Rowe.

I think everyone is just concerned for the children. They are potentially worth millions and it wouldn't surprise me if people started coming out of the woodwork putting biological claims on them. I'm hoping Jackson took every legal precaution possible.

This whole thing seems to be shaping up into a giant mess!

 

[Imzadi]

My post must have been passed over earlier.

My nephew was born from a sperm donor. The father on his birth certificate was my sister's husband. Not "unknown".

I am also on the list to be an egg donor for infertile couples. If someone was ever to use me, the birth certificate would say the couple's name who used my eggs. Trust me, I know a lot about this and I work in a legal firm. Those were his kids - whether he was the biological father or not.

Good, because TMZ reports here with an actual picture of Blanket's birth certificate that no mother was ever listed on the birth certificate:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/prince-iis-birth-certificate-michael-jackson-surrogate-debbie-rowe

 

[Jenvenza]

Good because TMZ reports here with an actual picture of Blanket's birth certificate that no mother was ever listed on the birth certificate:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/prince-iis-birth-certificate-michael-jackson-surrogate-debbie-rowe

That is because he was a single parent when he had Blanket. Single people can also use donors, and there name will be put on the BC and the other left blank. He was married to Debbie Rowe when the other two children were born, so both of their names would be on there.

 

[Kim&Chris]

According to Perez Hilton (which, I know, is similar to saying 'according to Santa Claus'), apparently the sperm donor is Dr. Arnold Klein, MJ's dermatologist.

 

[Faith09]

Agreed.

If my wife has a baby, I'm the legal father.

(Why is most of this thread off topic?)

I agree his the father no matter how you guys think. Not only that but he has raised the children since birth. From what has been report, he was a good father as well. SHAME ON YOU GUYS.

 

[Faith09]

What really bother me. Is NO ONE question if he was the kids real father while raising and providing for them. Now that he's dead people want to question it....Shame on you

 

[ma2jr]

I read this on net today... I ca't believe the drama of it all. I have a feeling there is so much more to this story.

 

[Kim&Chris]

I agree his the father no matter how you guys think. Not only that but he has raised the children since birth. From what has been report, he was a good father as well. SHAME ON YOU GUYS.

A bit OT here, but please define 'good father'. He's had tons of help with these kids, namely a nanny who basically raised the children herself. I seriously doubt he did much 'hands on' with these kids (at least I hope not). Did you happen to see him trying to feed the youngest child during Martin Bashir's interview? No doubt the child was immediately removed from him once the cameras stopped rolling to be fed properly. FWIW, a 'good father' doesn't dangle an infant from a balcony.

 

[MineMail]

My post must have been passed over earlier.

My nephew was born from a sperm donor. The father on his birth certificate was my sister's husband. Not "unknown".

I am also on the list to be an egg donor for infertile couples. If someone was ever to use me, the birth certificate would say the couple's name who used my eggs. Trust me, I know a lot about this and I work in a legal firm. Those were his kids - whether he was the biological father or not.

Apparently, those laws are set state-by-state. California has similar laws regarding birth parents on the certificate.

I have a friend that had a child out of wedlock. Because she wasn't sure if she and the father would eventually marry, she put "Unknown" on the birth certificate for some reason. I wasn't sure why, which is why I asked about the "intended parents' names" originally.

I'm glad that the children are protected by the law and can't be disowned.

 

[Faith09]

Kim, I have a 18 year old and I promise you it isn't easy at time. I'm not a PREFECT mom but I try hard daily. Dangling the baby over the balcony was a dumb move on michael part I will agree with you. What I'm saying for what his close friends and nanny stated he was a GOOD father. The kids are the only ones that is suffering. If you are a parent I sure you would agree you're not perfect as well. That being said some of the decision your or I make as parents other's might have done them differently. Do that me we don't love are care about our children? NO!! We learn and move on. Michael admit his wrong with dangling the baby from the rail and he also ask for forgiveness..

 

[3jsmommy]

I agree his the father no matter how you guys think. Not only that but he has raised the children since birth. From what has been report, he was a good father as well. SHAME ON YOU GUYS.

I don't know your definition of "good father" but those words never jumped out at me when I read or saw anything said by MJ!
I don't think he was acting very "fatherly" when he dangled his baby over a balcony! He definitely didn't seem like great parent material to me when he paid off young boys to keep from going to court for molestation charges!
He had a young boy watch the exorcist with him so that he could share a bed with him. That is a classic child molester move...the whole thing repulses me. Shame on him & the people who are now sainting him, even if all of the allegations against him weren't true, what he had admitted was horrible!

 

[Quiksilvr]

I'm an attorney. Not an estate or family law attorney. Don't take my ramblings as gospel.

The posters who said this varies state-to-state are correct. Each state has come up with its own way of dealing with this.

Some posters are getting hung up on who the "biological" parent is. That's likely the wrong question to ask in Jackson's situation, at least with respect to the older kids. The general rule is that if a child is born into a married family, it is legally presumed to be a child of that union. In many states, this remains the case even if DNA evidence later proves the child is not the child of the father. I had to read a couple of cases in law school about how a guy discovers that his kids aren't his, divorces the cheating wife, and is still on the hook to pay child support for "his" kids, because as far as the law is concerned, he's the daddy. I don't remember them very well, but my recollection is that those were the holdings. It's been a long time.

 

[Kim&Chris]

Kim, I have a 18 year old and I promise you it isn't easy at time. I'm not a PREFECT mom but I try hard daily. Dangling the baby over the balcony was a dumb move on michael part I will agree with you. What I'm saying for what his close friends and nanny stated he was a GOOD father. The kids are the only ones that is suffering. If you are a parent I sure you would agree you're not perfect as well. That being said some of the decision your or I make as parents other's might have done them differently. Do that me we don't love are care about our children? NO!! We learn and move on. Michael admit his wrong with dangling the baby from the rail and he also ask for forgiveness..

Faith, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. If any other man (who wasn't a millionaire) dangled his kid off a balcony, the police and CPS would have had that child in a minute. And his good friends are as wacky as he was, so I can't put too much value in their opinions. Sorry

 

[Kim&Chris]

I don't know your definition of "good father" but those words never jumped out at me when I read or saw anything said by MJ!
I don't think he was acting very "fatherly" when he dangled his baby over a balcony! He definitely didn't seem like great parent material to me when he paid off young boys to keep from going to court for molestation charges!
He had a young boy watch the exorcist with him so that he could share a bed with him. That is a classic child molester move...the whole thing repulses me. Shame on him & the people who are now sainting him, even if all of the allegations against him weren't true, what he had admitted was horrible!

I totally agree. I am so angry about all these tributes, etc on TV. Like I said in a previous post, if he were any other man that did all of this nonsense, he'd be locked up & his pic would be on Megan's List.

 

[Faith09]

I don't know your definition of "good father" but those words never jumped out at me when I read or saw anything said by MJ!
I don't think he was acting very "fatherly" when he dangled his baby over a balcony! He definitely didn't seem like great parent material to me when he paid off young boys to keep from going to court for molestation charges!
He had a young boy watch the exorcist with him so that he could share a bed with him. That is a classic child molester move...the whole thing repulses me. Shame on him & the people who are now sainting him, even if all of the allegations against him weren't true, what he had admitted was horrible!

My statement was made from interviews I watched on TV one being, Mark Lester, children's God Father and others. I didn't have the pleasure of meeting Michael I can only go by what his close friends and family states.

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“All my sources who were close to the family talk about what a good father he was,” Dimond said. “Michael Jackson said he didn't have a childhood, so he wanted to make up for it by giving these kids a great one. He was doting, he was big on culture and the arts.”


The few who have met the children describe them as sweet, intelligent and well-behaved. Harriette Cole of Ebony magazine spoke with Morales about meeting Blanket (whose given name is Prince Michael II) when she wrote a major profile of Jackson