McDonald's is phasing out self service drinks...by 2032.

Man, and the cost of college today is outrageous!
The benefits are negligible too. For most, it doesn't matter where they go; most would be much better off financially learning a trade rather than being a low-paid cog in a corporate wheel post-graduation, and during most of their tepid careers. The "college experience" is also a luxury of the past.
Another example would be a snow cone stand. Absolutely no reason for $30 an hour and benefits when kids have done this job for just some extra spending money since the inception of a snow cone stand.
A snow cone stand is not part of a multinational corporation. Bad example.
 
I worked at McDonald's as a teenager when they put in the self service drink station at ours. Stealing started at day 1. People would come in with their own cups and refill them all of the time. Often times it was work crews that would come in with their thermos (trash crews, construction crews) but mostly it was the locals since our store was right outside of a neighborhood.

I don't think them removing the stations is about theft. I believe they are going away due to them phasing out in store dining and it's one less machine to maintain.

Also I rarely ever see a McDonald's with people eating inside. I have one near me and a few weeks ago I saw 5 people eating inside and I said outloud "oh look there's people inside!" lol The one next to my job is usually full but I'm in the inner city with a big homeless population and near a public transportation hub so the place stays busy. They do NOT have a self serve drink station at this location but they often give those that are hard up/homeless free drinks. They usually just go in and say I'm thirsty and the staff gives them some soda.
 
The benefits are negligible too. For most, it doesn't matter where they go; most would be much better off financially learning a trade rather than being a low-paid cog in a corporate wheel post-graduation, and during most of their tepid careers. The "college experience" is also a luxury of the past.

A snow cone stand is not part of a multinational corporation. Bad example.

There definitely needs to be more educational opportunity available, especially vocational training and apprenticeships. Not every student needs to go to college, but they can make a good - a VERY good - living doing specialized work like plubing, HVAC, etc. They want to put every kid on the "college track" these days and act like there is no way cut it if you don't. And yeah, unless our degree reads Harvard or Yale, etc., there is very little difference in the value of that degree to employers. Most just want to see that you have one.
 
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How on earth did a big surface parking lot like that survive in SF for that long? That lot would easily fetch $50m in Seattle. I'm guessing SF the property would cost even more.
 

For most people McDonalds is an after school job for teenagers or full time college students. So I don’t agree with you on this. The manager of a McDonalds, yes I agree with you about their salary.

Another example would be a snow cone stand. Absolutely no reason for $30 an hour and benefits when kids have done this job for just some extra spending money since the inception of a snow cone stand.

You want a caterer that can support you learn a trade, some skills, or get a degree.

The poster you were replying to said that a *full-time* job should be able to support a single adult. As of the 2000's recession, a lot of fast food outlets went to scheduling adults as part-timers in 4 hour daytime blocks, starting with the breakfast shift at 6 am. Unlike "kids" they didn't have school obligations to juggle, which the employers preferred. At the strip of fast food places near my office, 10 am, 2 pm, & 6 pm started to look like scenes from a silent movie, with groups of people walking from one restaurant to another, changing their hat and shirt as they went. They were cobbling together the equivalent of full-time jobs by working at 2-3 fast food restaurants in the same 3 block area. The practice of expecting adults to create a "full-time" workday by working for 2 different establishments each day has become widespread in hospitality; businesses like it because it eliminates the need for paying benefits under US labor laws. This ain't your grandmother's after-school work. (And that's the other issue: these are mostly pink-collar jobs, and in the US, women in their 20s & 30s are now far more likely to have dependents who require direct care from them than men that age are.) At the time, those jobs were paying minimum wage, and though they pay more now, it still isn't nearly enough to keep up with the skyrocketing cost of keeping a roof over your head.

Men have always had the trades as a high-paying option that does not require higher education; but women have been far less welcome in those jobs. (My dad was a finish carpenter/cabinetmaker; I would have liked to follow him into that work, but he was horrified at that idea. He taught me to do the work with the understanding that for me it would be a fun hobby for my own home, not a real job, and at the time, my doing it for pay really wasn't a viable possibility at all. Fifteen years later I might have battled my way onto a crew, but I guarantee you that the other crew members would not have made me welcome there, and that makes for not only miserable working conditions, but in an occupation with that much hazardous equipment in use, could have been downright deadly.) I know for a fact that though women are now welcome to enter training programs for most building trades, they are consistently last-hired no matter how good their marks are, because most employers believe their presence will cause conflict on work crews unless the crew is all-female.

A huge part of balancing out the unskilled labor shortage is taking steps to fix the housing affordability problem. This can be done if localities have the gumption to pass strict zoning and development rules and stick to them. Sure, it's more profitable for developers to build full tracts of larger cookie-cutter homes than to renovate existing properties or to build smaller infill projects, so of course they will prefer that, but if that is not the market sector your community needs, then they should not be getting permits approved for it. Requiring mixed-use development with percentage set-asides is NOT the solution, either; IME the rules on those tend to require that the initial development contain a certain percentage of lower-income units, but most builders pursue subsidies instead of making the units smaller and plainer, so that as soon as the subsidy runs out, the unit reverts to market-rate occupancy, often within 5 years of construction. We need to see single-family-homes of under 1000 sq. ft., with plain rooflines, laminate countertops and plain tile floors, and no HOA fees -- places families can grow into once they accumulate a bit of savings. You can't enlarge an apartment home, and most can't get ahead on equity if they have have to pay HOA fees on top of the mortgage. (If you're thinking early Levittown, you've got the picture.) In the near-in suburbs of my city, I see perfectly liveable modest homes getting demolished every single day, with plans filed to replace them with homes that are 4X the size and 5X the price. That is a king-sized mistake. Pink-collar and early-career workers need housing stock that they can afford on what they make, and they need it near where they work, because the odds are that they will be at least partly dependent on public transit to get there. Regularly using a service like Lyft or Uber to commute isn't really an option when your rent is 70% of your net pay, or if you live 50 miles RT from your job.
 
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Minimum wage in my state is still $7.25. A full time job is 2080 hours in a year. So, $15K. Minus taxes. Yes, great for a teen who still relies on parents. Not so much a HS dropout, much less someone who didn't get a college degree.

As far as "go learn something and better yourself", sounds great. Until you find out how much it costs to get an "education", even trade school.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I don't think denigrating those trying to support a family on minimum wage (or not much more) really helps.
 
I don’t think it’s denigrating to encourage someone to learn skills. In my area a kid from a low income household can easily get two years of community college trade school free of charge. If they are a decent welder, hvac tech, electrical tech, or machinist…..they will have a job before they finish school.

I just snagged up a machinist certification holder from a two year school for his first job right out of school and he interned with me. $53K for his first real job. Kids is incredible and happy as a lark. I am in a low income area, and he is well above a teacher with a 4 year degree.
 
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I don’t think it’s denigrating to encourage someone to learn skills. In my area a kid from a low income household can easily get to years of community college trade school free of charge. If they are a decent welder, hvac tech, electrical tech, or machinist…..they will have a job before they finish school.
How convenient. Good thing they don't have to eat or shelter themselves while going to school.

It's the old "raise your hand if you'd like to try and live off of what people tell you you can live off of."
 
Well in his specific case he was still living with his folks. But go ahead with your narrative. I mean I had student loans and worked part time to pay 1/4th the rent in a crappy college town apartment, while in college.
 
Well in his specific case he was still living with his folks. But go ahead with your narrative. I mean I had student loans and worked part time to pay 1/4th the rent in a crappy college town apartment, while in college.
Ah, the old “I did it so they should be able to do it” boast.
 
What would like me to say…..gee they have it so hard today…….and I never had to try and do anything remotely that hard?

I mean I was raised blue color and paid for my own degree in a high demand engineering field. I have been blessed, but make no bones about it I worked my tail off for what little success I have achieved.
 
What would like me to say…..gee they have it so hard today…….and I never had to try and do anything remotely that hard?

I mean I was raised blue color and paid for my own degree in a high demand engineering field. I have been blessed, but make no bones about it I worked my tail off for what little success I have achieved.
When education was less expensive, rent was less expensive, and wages were not much different.
 
So what’s your solution? Just raise entry level hourly jobs to $30 an hour or the equivalent of what people start out with college degrees make?

Paying someone $30 an hour at McDonalds is just going to make a Big Mac combo $30 instead of $12.
Mcdonalds starts at 15\hr in my city. I only know that because I run past it every morning and see the sign. You would have to pay me to eat there. In -N -out starts at 18/hour. It's definitely better quality on the spectrum of unhealthy food. The four of us can eat at In- N- out for 40 dollars and the quality and service is always good.

We have decreased our eating out by about 75% due to inflation. If they raised the wage of fast food workers to 30 dollars an hour we would not eat out at all. Some people just don't get that fast food jobs weren't meant to be careers. People with careers would not be able to afford to eat at them if that were the case and they would no longer exist.
 
I don’t think it’s denigrating to encourage someone to learn skills. In my area a kid from a low income household can easily get two years of community college trade school free of charge. If they are a decent welder, hvac tech, electrical tech, or machinist…..they will have a job before they finish school.

I just snagged up a machinist certification holder from a two year school for his first job right out of school and he interned with me. $53K for his first real job. Kids is incredible and happy as a lark. I am in a low income area, and he is well above a teacher with a 4 year degree.
Totally agree there's a lack of young people with any skills other than being able to text at at 100 words a minute. The world is definitely a need of all the jobs you listed above. I would add a plumber to the list or even a handyman. My good friend's 21-year-old son is making 80k a year as an HVAC technician. His goal is to have his own company in 10 years.
 
We have decreased our eating out by about 75% due to inflation. If they raised the wage of fast food workers to 30 dollars an hour we would not eat out at all. Some people just don't get that fast food jobs weren't meant to be careers. People with careers would not be able to afford to eat at them if that were the case and they would no longer exist.
Other people don’t get that executives of fast food chains don’t need to be making eight-figure annual incomes.
 
Other people don’t get that executives of fast food chains don’t need to be making eight-figure annual incomes.
Spoken like someone who has no idea how franchises work.

90% of McDonald’s are franchises, owned and operated by individuals. The average owner is only making $150k, which is not anywhere near an 8 figure income.
 
Spoken like someone who has no idea how franchises work.

90% of McDonald’s are franchises, owned and operated by individuals. The average owner is only making $150k, which is not anywhere near an 8 figure income.
That’s because the franchisees have to hand over a large amount of their sales to support the corporate executives‘ 8 figure salaries.
 
That’s because the franchisees have to hand over a large amount of their sales to support the corporate executives‘ 8 figure salaries.
It seems so obvious, doesn’t it? don’t know why we even try. They’ll never understand.
 
That’s because the franchisees have to hand over a large amount of their sales to support the corporate executives‘ 8 figure salaries.
So let’s follow that through…

Don’t want to pay that? Un franchise. Become a no-name fast food joint that has to come up with their own recipes, marketing, decor, machines, etc. Keep paying yourself that low $150k/yr, and now you can suddenly pay your employees more, right? Except now you have to pay for all that stuff that the franchise does for that fee you pay. And you’re right back where you were.

But it’s always the executives fault for making money. I get it.
 
Some people just hate successful people, it is what it is. I love successful (wealthy) people, because I have never had an unsuccessful (broke) person to give me a job before.

There are still massive opportunities in this country right now. I have a good friend whose parents were immigrants. He has an incredible work ethic and is a master house framer. He out earns me by a significant margin even with no formal education. He learned a skill that is in high demand, and he is killing it. I am so proud of him and his growing family.
 












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