Max Occupancy in DVC Resorts

[laceemouse]

While I tend to be a "rule follower" too, I am more perplexed by these threads because folks will be so UNCOMFORTABLE, IMO, to save a few points! I know very well how expensive DVC is, we always have to get a 2 bedroom and generally travel when school is out, and we do NOT have mega points. But for us, we enjoy the luxury of DVC. I can't see that waiting in line for the bathroom, sleeping with kids in the bed, and stepping over people sleeping on the floor could be considered a vacation. This is just my opinion, but I would rather have less trips and really be able to relax and enjoy them....Lacee

 

[mom2rb]

I am glad they are now saying 5 is ok. We only have two boys and they are small. When they stay at Grandma's house they sleep with her, on her pull out couch. It is fun for them. This trip we are bringing my MIL and I booked a one bedroom. I also listed everyone on the reservation. I know that soon I will have to get a two bedroom even for just my family, my boys will get big. I even bought enough points to do that in the future. But for this trip I felt a one bedroom was perfect for us.

 

[NMW]

I too find it amazing that a few people get so worked up about this issue. I do think the person that said it's the same people over and over again is correct. We know several DVC families (not DIS board) who have been putting 5 in a 1 BR for years. When I told some of them how angry some DIS board members got at this issue and how long the threads got, they really thought it was very funny. They didn't even realize this was an "issue".

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by CaptainMidnight
I'd have to agree with you. Some staunch supporters of strict contract interpretation do so because it has no impact on thier family or size of unit. We have 3 small boys, and a one bedroom suits us just fine. If we did get a second bedroom, we wouln't use it, we'd have to close it off unused.

We get a 2 BR for four because we have teens of different gender. So those without 5 people many times have to make the same decisions. But I'd say that those with a vested interest (room stuffers they were called in a previous thread) are far less objective than the rest. It's essentially the "everyone else is driving as fast or faster than I am" defense. There's no question that until DVC enforces it consistently, it is a technical discussion. But I for one don't feel it'd be at all difficult to get DVC to enforce the issue. At the risk of making a few people mad at me, want to put a wager on it. That's the only way this argument is going to end and it could end badly for some people.

 

[idratherbeinwdw]

Originally posted by laceemouse
While I tend to be a "rule follower" too, I am more perplexed by these threads because folks will be so UNCOMFORTABLE, IMO, to save a few points! I know very well how expensive DVC is, we always have to get a 2 bedroom and generally travel when school is out, and we do NOT have mega points. But for us, we enjoy the luxury of DVC. I can't see that waiting in line for the bathroom, sleeping with kids in the bed, and stepping over people sleeping on the floor could be considered a vacation. This is just my opinion, but I would rather have less trips and really be able to relax and enjoy them....Lacee

You're entitled to your opinion, but when you say as a statement "Folks will be so uncomfortable to save a few points" that makes ME uncomfortable. What's uncomfortable to you is not uncomfortable for all.

It reminds me of all the people who say to me "What, you're going to WDW AGAIN?". Just because they wouldn't do it they assume anyone else who does is somehow wrong.

By the way I am one who likes to spread out, when I go with both my teenager daughters we stay in a 2 bedroom so everyone has their own space. I have never gone over occupancy limits. But if another family is fine putting 5 in a 1BR I don't judge their comfort level. To each his or her own.

 

[DVCcollector]

Yes they could enforce it but unless they are coming around at night to do a head count there is truly no way of stopping it. What if you have friends that come to visit and you have a few drinks would you rather them drive after drinking or spend the night even though it puts you over the limit. These are types of situations that may happen and with a family of 5 myself I use a studio currewntly while my youngest are still under 5 once they get a little older I will use a 1 bedroom all the time.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

 

[Dean]

have no interest in being involved in a wager with you. I also have no interest in seeing you participate in any action your alluding to or potentially threatening with this veiled comment.

Actually no threat. Just trying to point out that that's the only way this will end, if someone pushes it. If I had interest in that end, I would have inquired long ago as I have a friend who works in that office her in Tallahassee.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

 

[laceemouse]

Point well taken....ITA

 

[rinkwide]

Originally posted by Dean
...At the risk of making a few people mad at me, want to put a wager on it. That's the only way this argument is going to end and it could end badly for some people.

Oh, that's rich.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by rinkwide
Oh, that's rich.

lighten up, it was merely a shock tactic to get people to realize it's a fragile "perk". One that could easily be taken away.

 

[BostonDisneyKid]

My $0.02 is that I find the occupancy thread entertaining at a minimum and often comedic. I do not, nor do I care to, understand why people feel so strongly on this issue (or the whole 'taking kids out of school to vacation' issue and other non-issue-issues (IMO)) but I do find it amusing to read.

I do wonder though, how many families have 5 or 6 people in a studio, reuse the mugs from 3 trips ago, have taken their kids out of school for the duration of the vacation and then go pool hoping at SAB while staying at OKW...

 

[NMW]

I do wonder though, how many families have 5 or 6 people in a studio, reuse the mugs from 3 trips ago, have taken their kids out of school for the duration of the vacation and then go pool hoping at SAB while staying at OKW... [/B][/QUOTE]


Very Funny

 

[jarestel]

Originally posted by Dean
Actually no threat. Just trying to point out that that's the only way this will end, if someone pushes it. If I had interest in that end, I would have inquired long ago as I have a friend who works in that office her in Tallahassee.

Sorry Dean. With all of the problems facing Florida from the hurricanes, I can't imagine your friends in high places would do any more than laugh at the suggestion that Tallahassee needs to get right on this DVC occupancy thing, for the sake of free and decent people everywhere.

 

[kweaver]

I realize that this whole issue has been debated to death. It is almost beyond my imagination that having 5 in a 1BR bothers a very select group people so much.

I understand that rules are rules. However, if DVC has decided not to enforce this rule...or even go beyond that and state aloud during a member update that they are allowing 5 people in a 1BR, then so be it. It's their decision...not ours. Good for them for trying to make their members happy (without causing themselves harm). We all understand what we signed...and if DVC changes their mind later, no one here has any room to complain.

Dean, this issue obviously bothers you a lot. I have no idea why...but it does. I have a lot of respect for you, even though I don't share some of your opinions or beliefs about the timeshare industry. However, no one likes or needs threats...name dropping...or power plays. You already went to DVC about this (and a few other issues) a while ago. If I remember correctly, you came back and (in my opinion) bragged about your conversation...basically stating that that ability to have five in a 1BR was soon going by the wayside. Obviously, this has not happened. In fact, from what we are hearing from MS and the DVC folks at the member meetings, it looks like the opposite decision was made to allow it. (Edited to say: I would like to see it in writing...but as long as MS is allowing 5 on a reservation...that's good enough for me.)

You are a smart guy. Everyone here knows your feelings about this issue. You don't need to stoop to shock tactics to make a point. Think about it. If you truly feel that that this issue is causing you distress while trying to use your DVC points, then stop beating around the bush and call your friend in Tallahassee. If not, then let's just drop it and let everyone enjoy DVC the way they feel is right for them.

 

[Dean]

I realize that this whole issue has been debated to death. It is almost beyond my imagination that having 5 in a 1BR bothers a very select group people so much.

I understand that rules are rules. However, if DVC has decided not to enforce this rule...or even go beyond that and state aloud during a member update that they are allowing 5 people in a 1BR, then so be it. It's their decision...not ours. Good for them for trying to make their members happy (without causing themselves harm). We all understand what we signed...and if DVC changes their mind later, no one here has any room to complain.

Dean, this issue obviously bothers you a lot. I have no idea why...but it does. I have a lot of respect for you, even though I don't share some of your opinions or beliefs about the timeshare industry. However, no one likes or needs threats...name dropping...or power plays. You already went to DVC about this (and a few other issues) a while ago. If I remember correctly, you came back and (in my opinion) bragged about your conversation...basically stating that that ability to have five in a 1BR was soon going by the wayside. Obviously, this has not happened. In fact, from what we are hearing from MS and the DVC folks at the member meetings, it looks like the opposite decision was made to allow it. (Edited to say: I would like to see it in writing...but as long as MS is allowing 5 on a reservation...that's good enough for me.)

You are a smart guy. Everyone here knows your feelings about this issue. You don't need to stoop to shock tactics to make a point. Think about it. If you truly feel that that this issue is causing you distress while trying to use your DVC points, then stop beating around the bush and call your friend in Tallahassee. If not, then let's just drop it and let everyone enjoy DVC the way they feel is right for them.

Katie, it actually doesn't bother me much at all. I have two competing issues. One is what the rules say and I'm a "rule follower" and feel others should be as well. Actually an extra person here and there doesn't really bother me, other than it's against the official rules. As for the other issues, it would be unethical of me to ask my friend "to help" in this situation. If it were something I felt strongly enough to pursue, I'd just call and make a formal complaint, as anyone else would. To me this is an academic discussion more than anything else. A question of reading the rules, discussing them and determining who's more correct. I was really only pointing out that this is a discussion that will only end when one of two things happens. When DVC publishes a written rule expanding the occupancy, and I mean a real one, not some email from MS saying it's OK. Or if they stop taking reservations for over the limit. Many will still violate the rules, as they do in many situations (pets, etc). But to be clear, I won't have sympathy for the "but my guide said" stance, if it doses change.

As for the previous thread, you should go back and reread my posts. I simply casually mentioned it to ask for information while I was discussing other issues anyway. I didn't ask for any action and I'm sorry you feel I was bragging about it, that wasn't my intention.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

...It is almost beyond my imagination that having 5 in a 1BR bothers a very select group people so much.....

....Dean, this issue obviously bothers you a lot. I have no idea why...but it does.....

....(Edited to say: I would like to see it in writing...but as long as MS is allowing 5 on a reservation...that's good enough for me.)...

...Everyone here knows your feelings about this issue....

kweaver, I think you statements are dead on. I have to agree, I don't know why it bothers a very select group so much, it seems absurd. We hire MS and the board of directors to make these decisions, and I feel they are making them wisely, and in the majority's best interest, with almost no impact whatsoever on those who do not agree, or will not be using the 5 in a one bedroom guideline. It is strange.

I've said several times, given our ages of our 3 young children, we would not even use the second bedroom of a two bedroom unit, it would go completely unused, which is pretty silly to advocate. I also do not think DVC is selling Vero Beach in the near future as is also provided for in the documents we signed, along with many other cover your tail clauses Disney included, too many to list here.

5 in a one bedroom with no additional bedding provided is a reasonable guideline for DVC and MS to establish. This is part of the service quality I purchased. Claiming every rule has to be followed to the letter is a recipe for disaster and complete service failure. Rules can never keep pace with the needs of the customers, and this is not consistent with best practice organizations whom I regularly survey.

I have strong feelings on this issue because it directly affects me since I have 3 small children and recognize that with our current kds ages, the one bedroom accomodation makes the most sense for us. We purchased plenty of points so that as our family's needs change and the kids get older, we can graduate to the two bedroom accomodation. :thewave:

I also recognize what service quality means.

 

[DebbieB]

I'm sure the fact that they announced this at a member update and also put it in writing in an e-mail, that they had to have passed it by their legal department. They know it's a hot issue, I would think they would have reviewed the possible legal consequences.

 

[tinkerbee]

I think that it a good thing to allow 5 people in a one bedroom. Some people were "forced" to get a two bedroom for that 5th person when they didn't really need it in the case that they had smaller children.

That now leaves a studio open (if its a lock off) for maybe 4 more people to stay. So instead of 5 people Disney now has 9 people in the same amount of space. More people more MONEY!!