Marathon Weekend 2017!

OK Anybody else having a last minute freakout? DH had to talk me down the other night, I'm so in my own head about this upcoming marathon. "I should never have signed up for a marathon in Disney World again, it's going to be so hot; I'm not prepared (I haven't missed a single training run on my schedule but did cut my last 20 miler down due to cold, but, still); I took a Disney vacation with my mother two weeks ago and somehow have gained 5 lbs since I left for that trip, it's going to slow me down, and now Christmas is coming so here comes more pounds to drag around 26 miles on top of that" etc etc. Share your taper madness or whatever you would call it!
 
OK Anybody else having a last minute freakout? DH had to talk me down the other night, I'm so in my own head about this upcoming marathon. "I should never have signed up for a marathon in Disney World again, it's going to be so hot; I'm not prepared (I haven't missed a single training run on my schedule but did cut my last 20 miler down due to cold, but, still); I took a Disney vacation with my mother two weeks ago and somehow have gained 5 lbs since I left for that trip, it's going to slow me down, and now Christmas is coming so here comes more pounds to drag around 26 miles on top of that" etc etc. Share your taper madness or whatever you would call it!
Same here!

I also gained a little bit of weight, cutted my last 20 Miles run and be afraid of what will come!

Anywhy, I try now to do some shorter runs, look if I can run the pace I need for the SUB5 and if this feels not good, I will start a little bit slower on raceday. My only real concern is getting sick the next couple of days.
 
Same here!

I also gained a little bit of weight, cutted my last 20 Miles run and be afraid of what will come!

Anywhy, I try now to do some shorter runs, look if I can run the pace I need for the SUB5 and if this feels not good, I will start a little bit slower on raceday. My only real concern is getting sick the next couple of days.
We got this! I've been taking vitamin c like a maniac.
 
OK Anybody else having a last minute freakout? DH had to talk me down the other night, I'm so in my own head about this upcoming marathon. "I should never have signed up for a marathon in Disney World again, it's going to be so hot; I'm not prepared (I haven't missed a single training run on my schedule but did cut my last 20 miler down due to cold, but, still); I took a Disney vacation with my mother two weeks ago and somehow have gained 5 lbs since I left for that trip, it's going to slow me down, and now Christmas is coming so here comes more pounds to drag around 26 miles on top of that" etc etc. Share your taper madness or whatever you would call it!

For one reason or another, I haven't really run in the past month. at all. despite being really good at my training before hand. and now I'm so far behind I get severe anxiety at thinking of even heading out again. I have a 13.1 planned run on Saturday but I'm already starting to freak out again. I know i'll be fine come race day, that the adrenaline and excitement will keep me going, but the bad corral placement, plus an extreme slow down of my pace since my last Disney run I can't explain, I am not confident going into this race weekend.
 

All these feelings of doubt and not being ready are normal. I have been racing and marathoning for years and still get this--along with huge anxiety. Also, any little twinge or phantom pain seems magnified and I wonder if I am injured. Get a few runs in to get your head back in the right place and trust yourself.
 
I always get a little extra paranoid before marathon weekend. On top of normal pre-race jitters/ taper madness, I have the constant nagging fear of weight gain as everywhere I go for the next week and a half there will be cookies and other treats to sample.
 
For one reason or another, I haven't really run in the past month. at all. despite being really good at my training before hand. and now I'm so far behind I get severe anxiety at thinking of even heading out again. I have a 13.1 planned run on Saturday but I'm already starting to freak out again. I know i'll be fine come race day, that the adrenaline and excitement will keep me going, but the bad corral placement, plus an extreme slow down of my pace since my last Disney run I can't explain, I am not confident going into this race weekend.
Here's to adrenaline and excitement! I hope we all get our confidence back.
 
The only thing that still worries me is the possibility of a last minute injury. I think that the difference maker for me with respect the other anxieties was the decision to stop worrying about time goals. If my only goals are to finish and have fun along the way, I know that I can be successful. Then again, I am 49. My best times are long behind me. So slowing down just made sense. I would not have been able to take that step in my 30s.
 
Changed mine too! Though only by 1 corral. Haha. My half time being translated into a full is still the culprit. But I got up to L so at least I got out of whatever they are doing in those last 4 corrals this year! I have no idea how that will go! The new POT rules are just crazy to me

Obviously nobody wants to be in M with me!! :(

Glad you got it changed! :) Although your comments about the last 4 corrals are not very reassuring to me!
 
In my last three trainingruns I asked myself, if was a good idea to sign up. Why the heck did I sign up for a marathon?

On the other hand, so much friends told me, I got enough miles together over the year, so I should not stress myself too much :-)
 
Alright everyone, attached is the PDF which is the first draft of the Marathon Weekend DIS List. This is the first draft as I expect when some people see this they may decide they want to join in as well. If you have any input that would help make the sheet more useful for you please let me know. I have sorted everyone by corral and pace within corral so that like paced people can find each other if they wish to do so. Also, please QA your information you have provided me for mistakes and let me know. If anyone gave me a range of paces for an individual race I typically chose the middle of the range. I anticipate sending out the final copy on Dec 27th/28th to allow as much time for stragglers to get their times in. Almost time everyone!

Wow, this looks like a lot of work, but great stuff! I may have to find you guys and say hello at the very least. Hope everyone's training has gone flawlessly and ready to "land the plane" in a couple of weeks. I had a 3 week lapse in training this past November due to the worst cold I've ever had, but think I'm back up to speed enough to keep the "perfect" designation. If not, it was a good run (pun-intended) :-). If you see a guy walking around with sunglasses on in the morning, it's probably me as I ditched contacts a while back and my glasses just don't work with runnning, so I've got the prescription Oakley's.
 
All these feelings of doubt and not being ready are normal. I have been racing and marathoning for years and still get this--along with huge anxiety. Also, any little twinge or phantom pain seems magnified and I wonder if I am injured. Get a few runs in to get your head back in the right place and trust yourself.

The phantom pain thing hits me all the time. Something hurts and I'm for sure I've torn an ACL. Usually gone the next day. Never learn. :)
 
The phantom pain thing hits me all the time. Something hurts and I'm for sure I've torn an ACL. Usually gone the next day. Never learn. :)

Me too, except any tiny ache or "pain" I feel in my foot I am convinced it is a stress fracture! Then I spend way too much time telling myself that it is not but not believing myself until it goes away, and it usually does pretty quickly. :rolleyes1 Apparently I must have a deep rooted fear of stress fractures or something! Glad to know it is not just me on the over-reaction self diagnosis!
 
A fun clip discussing taper madness :) :) :)


This video is hilarious!! It's absolutely perfect.

I followed my training plan and feel better prepared for this than I did for the 2015 WDW marathon. I've run a number of half marathons this fall, and I'm back to my PR pace. (Although post-Dopey, I might ask @DopeyBadger to help me figure out how to break 1:50 for the half without the "I could PR" panic I continue to experience at mile 10.) But since my last really long run, most of my 3-milers feel very low-energy. I feel like I've lost fitness and it seems like I haven't done a long run in forever. But I just ran 20 last week and my last half marathon was less than three weeks ago. So I'm just going to watch this video again to remind myself of reality. :)
 
I feel 100% prepared for Dopey physically! And my mental game, in regard to pushing through walls and such, is strong. What tends to get to me at WDW races is the abundant overstimulation: too much noise, too many people, too much STUFF. I didn't think there was any way to train or prepare for that... but I ran through my city's park last night and inadvertently had an exercise in dealing with hoards of people moving at a variety of speed, in a variety of directions, with the added bonus of a gazillion twinkling lights and noise! I aced it, so I'm feeling pretty good now. ;)
 
Wow, this looks like a lot of work, but great stuff! I may have to find you guys and say hello at the very least. Hope everyone's training has gone flawlessly and ready to "land the plane" in a couple of weeks. I had a 3 week lapse in training this past November due to the worst cold I've ever had, but think I'm back up to speed enough to keep the "perfect" designation. If not, it was a good run (pun-intended) :-). If you see a guy walking around with sunglasses on in the morning, it's probably me as I ditched contacts a while back and my glasses just don't work with runnning, so I've got the prescription Oakley's.

Thanks and no problem! The backbone of the excel file was made for last year's marathon weekend, so it was actually quite easy to populate it this year. Wishing you the best of luck and hoping you can stop by and say hi!

This video is hilarious!! It's absolutely perfect.

I followed my training plan and feel better prepared for this than I did for the 2015 WDW marathon. I've run a number of half marathons this fall, and I'm back to my PR pace. (Although post-Dopey, I might ask @DopeyBadger to help me figure out how to break 1:50 for the half without the "I could PR" panic I continue to experience at mile 10.) But since my last really long run, most of my 3-milers feel very low-energy. I feel like I've lost fitness and it seems like I haven't done a long run in forever. But I just ran 20 last week and my last half marathon was less than three weeks ago. So I'm just going to watch this video again to remind myself of reality. :)

Here to help when you're ready!

I can totally understand the lost fitness one. Just keep in mind that as you enter the taper and start to lower your mileage from week to week it is a signal to the body. The body starts to do repairs and focuses less on being able to go fast. So an "easy" run may suddenly feel sluggish, but as our friend Admiral Ackbar would say:


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Just always keep in mind the fitness is still there. Especially if you're still out there logging mile. The biggest thing not to do, is don't "test" the pace or don't "confirm" your fitness. At this point, be confident in your training and stick with the taper plan. It'll get you there as designed. Because if you do "test" or "confirm" you may very well waste that "race" effort on a day leading up to race day (hence the trap). We've all got this and we'll get through this taper madness together!
 
Just always keep in mind the fitness is still there. Especially if you're still out there logging mile. The biggest thing not to do, is don't "test" the pace or don't "confirm" your fitness. At this point, be confident in your training and stick with the taper plan. It'll get you there as designed. Because if you do "test" or "confirm" you may very well waste that "race" effort on a day leading up to race day (hence the trap). We've all got this and we'll get through this taper madness together!
So, it is not good do run a view of those "taper runs" in your raceday pace? Or even some miles?

I have read somewhere, that this might be a good idea, because you get a better feeling of what the pace is like?
 
So, it is not good do run a view of those "taper runs" in your raceday pace? Or even some miles?

I have read somewhere, that this might be a good idea, because you get a better feeling of what the pace is like?

First and foremost, trust the training plan that got you to this point. If the training plan you are following tells you to do "race pace" mileage, then follow the plan. There is likely a good rhyme or reason behind it. Now, if your plan does not call for "race pace" mileage during the final few weeks, then I would advise you don't adjust the plan and add some in to "test things out". The body likes rhythm. So if you have been doing "race pace" runs all along on Tuesdays, and your plan calls for a race pace run next week Tuesday, then do it. If you haven't been doing race paced runs on Tuesday, and your plan doesn't call for a race pace run on Tuesday, you probably would be wise not to do the race pace run.

The taper is a balancing game. You need to balance gaining fitness (which will be minimal at this point), maintaining fitness, and most importantly recovery. Each type of run you do (intervals, race pace, long run, easy run, etc.) all gain different benefits, have different time periods to make those gains, and have different recovery time periods. So, why wouldn't you do a long run the weekend before the race? Well because the benefits of the long run take about 5-7 days (so barely fully realized before the race) and the recovery is dependent on the duration (but can be as many as 21 days). So you'll gain some of the benefits of the run, but you likely will not fully recover from it. So each type of run has this balance to it to justify whether it is wise to do it so close to race day. As an example, the Hansons plan has this cutoff set at 10 days. You could make some gains within 10 days, but you have to justify it against the recovery needed for those gains. So Hansons calls for easy running within 10 days to the event.

As another example, think about mitochondria. They are the powerhouse of the cell. In simple terms, they deliver you the energy necessary to allow you to run. Conveniently, the mitochondria follows a 14 day life cycle. So, the mitochondria you have today will be completely new 14 days from now. Although, 7 days from now, you'll have some mitochondria that's new and some that's from today. Commonly, this is a good reason for the last "long run" being 14 days or more from race day. The longer duration of the long run the more damage caused to the mitochondria. Such that in 14 days they will be replaced. So if you did a tough long run 7 days before a race, then only ~50% of the mitochondria will be new and you won't have the same level of performance that you desire. This is a simplistic overview, but gives you a general idea.

Now, does this mean you shouldn't do any hard workouts (or race pace) prior to a race? Not necessarily. I diverge from Hansons philosophy with regards to the 10 days. Not the timeframe, but that on the day prior to the race (in a normal circumstance) I would do some quick strides (20 sec) up to race pace during an easy run. I am eliciting a response in my body to say "hey muscles, wake up! we've got a race tomorrow". The muscles go into a recovery mode during those 10 days, but doing the quick strides reinvigorates them. Not long enough (20 sec) to cause fatigue, but short enough to get everything waking up.

The length of your race matters too. Whether it be a 5k, 10k, HM, or M they all have different philosophies attached to the duration and type of taper.

So it all comes down to this: trust the training plan that got you here. If it says do race pace, then do race pace. If it doesn't say to do race pace, then don't do race pace.
 
So, it is not good do run a view of those "taper runs" in your raceday pace? Or even some miles?

I have read somewhere, that this might be a good idea, because you get a better feeling of what the pace is like?

I think ideally you should be running some of your training runs near race pace to get a feeling for it. When you hit the taper, it's really too late to effectively internalize what that pacing feels like. I know Higdon generally advocates a run at race pace at least every other week throughout the training plan. The plan @DopeyBadger set up for me had me running once a week at race pace on a 4 day a week running schedule (2 easy days, a tempo/race pace day and a long run intermediate pace day).
 












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