Marathon Weekend 2016

[IamTrike]

@IamTrike, I usually drink about 22oz of water during a 1 hour run. And for 2 hours (Half and training) I drink an additional 20oz of gatorade. I have not had any cramping problems. On a treadmill my sweating is so bad that I have to put a towel behind it so I don't create a visible puddle - quite embarrassing.

As for not PRing and being pissed....this is what I posted about my Sunday run on another thread:



My biggest frustration was that I barely beat my bridge run by 1 minute while on a flat course....i should have easily beat that by 4 minutes and hence would have had a PR. I don't know what happened - I just couldn't push at all.

Wow 22 oz's for an hour run? You'd have to have a camelback to survive a marathon long run.

Yeah I think that's the hardest part of running. Sometimes stuff just doesn't seem to click and the whole run seems to be a battle. I'm two weeks out from Chicago and during this weekends long runs with my buddies that was one of the primary topics of discussion. We've put 18 weeks of the hardest training of our lives. We are all probably in the best shapes of our running lives, but what happens if we go out and it all falls apart. How do we handle it if we can't seem to run at the pace we've been training about. The wisest guy in our group (most definitely not me) also happens to be the fastest. He spent the weekend pointing out that while we have trained to PR, this is a bucket list race. There's no additional prize for us PR'ing so our first focus needs to be going out an enjoying the run. We don't need to put undo pressure on ourselves to hit some arbitrary finish time. We put the work in to put ourselves in a position to PR, that's the thing we can control. Come race morning we don't know what state we are going to be in so we just need to go out and run the race that day.

 

[Z-Knight]

I'm lucky in that my next marathon will be my first marathon and I will have a PR no matter what. I'm just hoping it is a sub 4:00 PR....actually hoping to train hard to get to 3:45 as my ultimate goal for the Dopey marathon. That's why it is frustrating when it seems like I keep taking a few steps back. I just need to figure out how to move my feet just a little bit faster during this training period, maybe a vicious dog behind me would be some incentive.

Btw, I probably don't need the full 22oz, but I just drink that much because my water bottle is that size...i've run a few 10ks without any water breaks until the end so I might be overhydrating a little during training....need to be careful

 

[LSUlakes]

I'm lucky in that my next marathon will be my first marathon and I will have a PR no matter what. I'm just hoping it is a sub 4:00 PR....actually hoping to train hard to get to 3:45 as my ultimate goal for the Dopey marathon. That's why it is frustrating when it seems like I keep taking a few steps back. I just need to figure out how to move my feet just a little bit faster during this training period, maybe a vicious dog behind me would be some incentive.

Btw, I probably don't need the full 22oz, but I just drink that much because my water bottle is that size...i've run a few 10ks without any water breaks until the end so I might be overhydrating a little during training....need to be careful

Speaking from experience, your only goal for your first full should be crossing the finish line. Having said that, you already have a time goal and nothing anyone will say will change your mind. I would suggest that if you do not make it below 4:00:00, do not be to hard on yourself.

 

[Z-Knight]

I know what you mean, I'm trying to be realistic but I need a goal to train for so below 4 is the goal. I've had plenty of days thus far that felt like 4:30 is all I can achieve at the moment and when I feel like that it gets hard to motivate yourself to try harder. I may still not achieve the overall goal and I'll use the Dopey 48.6 miles as my excuse.

Actually when I started this Dopey training it wasn't with a goal of a good marathon time - I just wanted to achieve someting special and 48.6 sounded pretty special. So that's still my overall goal.

 

[RunDisneyDad]

The last couple of posts got me thinking about one of my favorite lines from Born to Run:

"There are two goddesses in your heart,” he told them. “The Goddess of Wisdom and the Goddess of Wealth. Everyone thinks they need to get wealth first, and wisdom will come. So they concern themselves with chasing money. But they have it backwards. You have to give your heart to the Goddess of Wisdom, give her all your love and attention, and the Goddess of Wealth will become jealous, and follow you.” Ask nothing from your running, in other words, and you’ll get more than you ever imagined.”

Even our bad runs have their value as we can usually learn something from them and if we don't learn something we are usually wise enough to realize bad runs are just part of being a runner.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

The wisest guy in our group (most definitely not me) also happens to be the fastest. He spent the weekend pointing out that while we have trained to PR, this is a bucket list race. There's no additional prize for us PR'ing so our first focus needs to be going out an enjoying the run. We don't need to put undo pressure on ourselves to hit some arbitrary finish time. We put the work in to put ourselves in a position to PR, that's the thing we can control. Come race morning we don't know what state we are going to be in so we just need to go out and run the race that day.

Every long race in which I have managed a PR has been run this way. I am a focused racer, but I race faster when I relax and trust my training, with almost no focus on my time and most of my focus on how I felt as I ran.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I know what you mean, I'm trying to be realistic but I need a goal to train for so below 4 is the goal. I've had plenty of days thus far that felt like 4:30 is all I can achieve at the moment and when I feel like that it gets hard to motivate yourself to try harder. I may still not achieve the overall goal and I'll use the Dopey 48.6 miles as my excuse.

Actually when I started this Dopey training it wasn't with a goal of a good marathon time - I just wanted to achieve someting special and 48.6 sounded pretty special. So that's still my overall goal.

Just don't allow yourself to be disappointed in your finish time, whatever it may be. Finishing is an achievement in and of itself when you have never run a distance like this. Doing so as a part of a challenge like this makes it even more so. Finish and celebrate.

 

[LSUlakes]

Just don't allow yourself to be disappointed in your finish time, whatever it may be. Finishing is an achievement in and of itself when you have never run a distance like this. Doing so as a part of a challenge like this makes it even more so. Finish and celebrate.

THIS! If I could like this post 10 more time I would.

Did yall read about the winner of the Berlin Marathon this weekend? Around the 10k mark his insoles on his shoes slipped out the back somehow (Was not aware that was possible), but never made it out all the way. That had to be a unpleasant ~20 miles with that flopping around.

 

[Waiting2goback]

I'm lucky in that my next marathon will be my first marathon and I will have a PR no matter what. I'm just hoping it is a sub 4:00 PR....actually hoping to train hard to get to 3:45 as my ultimate goal for the Dopey marathon. That's why it is frustrating when it seems like I keep taking a few steps back. I just need to figure out how to move my feet just a little bit faster during this training period, maybe a vicious dog behind me would be some incentive.

Btw, I probably don't need the full 22oz, but I just drink that much because my water bottle is that size...i've run a few 10ks without any water breaks until the end so I might be overhydrating a little during training....need to be careful

Speaking from experience, your only goal for your first full should be crossing the finish line. Having said that, you already have a time goal and nothing anyone will say will change your mind. I would suggest that if you do not make it below 4:00:00, do not be to hard on yourself.

Just don't allow yourself to be disappointed in your finish time, whatever it may be. Finishing is an achievement in and of itself when you have never run a distance like this. Doing so as a part of a challenge like this makes it even more so. Finish and celebrate.

I had a goal for my marathon last year (my first) to finish under 4:00. I was convinced it was going to happen. I finished in 5:01. I was so mad at myself as I was limping with cramps in both hamstrings from mile 18 on. I was beating myself up. But, as I look back on it now, I am just proud I finished it in my first attempt. I could have given up at mile 18 but I refused. So my time is really unimportant because I finished when things got REALLY hard and REALLY painful. That means way more than a time.

This is just my second year of running and I now know just how little I knew last year. I still know nothing. I should have never even signed up for that marathon in June, after only having been running 3 months. Running a marathon is a completely different animal.

You are going to run your marathon after having run 3 races. You will have gotten up 4 straight days at 3 am. You will most likely be on your feet at the parks a bit. So to try and finish in a certain time, when running with 25,000 people, after all that is setting yourself up to be disappointed. I hope you do it but just don't be disappointed if you don't. Be proud of your accomplishment. Just enjoy yourself. You will be running through Disney. ENJOY IT! Save your goal times for other races, IMO.

 

[DOOM1001]

I had a goal for my marathon last year (my first) to finish under 4:00. I was convinced it was going to happen. I finished in 5:01. I was so mad at myself as I was limping with cramps in both hamstrings from mile 18 on. I was beating myself up. But, as I look back on it now, I am just proud I finished it in my first attempt. I could have given up at mile 18 but I refused. So my time is really unimportant because I finished when things got REALLY hard and REALLY painful. That means way more than a time.

This is just my second year of running and I now know just how little I knew last year. I still know nothing. I should have never even signed up for that marathon in June, after only having been running 3 months. Running a marathon is a completely different animal.

You are going to run your marathon after having run 3 races. You will have gotten up 4 straight days at 3 am. You will most likely be on your feet at the parks a bit. So to try and finish in a certain time, when running with 25,000 people, after all that is setting yourself up to be disappointed. I hope you do it but just don't be disappointed if you don't. Be proud of your accomplishment. Just enjoy yourself. You will be running through Disney. ENJOY IT! Save your goal times for other races, IMO.

Going into my first full at Disney in 2013 my only goal was to finish,sure I didn't want to finish in 7 hours but if I came in at 5,6 or 6 1/2 hours I didn't care I just wanted to enjoy the experience which was a first for me as well as not get hurt.I finished just in under 6 hours as the 2013 full was pretty warm and I walked a lot in the second half.To this day that's still my favorite race as the heat just made me and other runners on the course struggle as we got closer to the end and the sun got progressively warmer,but for whatever reason the heat just made it special,it just felt like we were on this quest to finish,the encouragement from fellow runners and spectators was great and since it was the 20th anniversary of the race the medal was epic and still my favorite.This was also my first race,not first marathon,first race,no 5K's,10K's or half marathons before for me,so I went straight for the biggie.After that I started doing more and more races and by the 2014 Disney full I had cut 40 minutes from my 2013 time,last year I did Goofy and I knew my time was not going to be amazing but I was still happy with it,it was right in the middle between the 2013 and 2014 times.I"m doing 2 fulls this season,obviously Disney and the Space Coast,I really think I can finish one of these in under 5 hours,I know I'm not fast and my finish time is far from being a big deal to me usually but it would still be cool if I could finish just one of these with a 4 in the front,I mean I know I can do halfs in just over 2 hours but fulls are another story and finishing it in even 4:59 would be amazing.

 

[FFigawi]

Did yall read about the winner of the Berlin Marathon this weekend? Around the 10k mark his insoles on his shoes slipped out the back somehow (Was not aware that was possible), but never made it out all the way. That had to be a unpleasant ~20 miles with that flopping around.

Not exactly a great advertisement for Nike shoes, huh?

 

[kevdad]

Not exactly a great advertisement for Nike shoes, huh?

This doesn't exactly scream, "buy me, buy me!" does it? I can't imagine running a mile this way, much less an entire marathon.
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-KM734_NIKE_2_P_20150927122309.jpg

 

[kevdad]

AND he was within a minute of a world record at 2 hours 4 minutes. Amazing!

 

[DOOM1001]

This doesn't exactly scream, "buy me, buy me!" does it? I can't imagine running a mile this way, much less an entire marathon.
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-KM734_NIKE_2_P_20150927122309.jpg

That just doesn't look like it happened by itself,I think he had some major blisters on both his heels and he thought this would help,that's just my theory!!!

 

[Ariel484]

This doesn't exactly scream, "buy me, buy me!" does it? I can't imagine running a mile this way, much less an entire marathon.
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-KM734_NIKE_2_P_20150927122309.jpg

OMG!!!

 

[RunDisneyDad]

I read in an interview he said he wanted to stop and do something about them, but knew it would cost him the race so the dude kept going. Pretty awesome!

 

[IamTrike]

THIS! If I could like this post 10 more time I would.

Did yall read about the winner of the Berlin Marathon this weekend? Around the 10k mark his insoles on his shoes slipped out the back somehow (Was not aware that was possible), but never made it out all the way. That had to be a unpleasant ~20 miles with that flopping around.

Runner's world had a really interesting article on what happened. In racing flats like that the insole is actually glued down. They were speculating that he generates so much power with his forefoot strike that it generates a large amount of heat. The heat and force caused the glue to break down and fail. It failed pretty early in the race. They were saying that in order for them to slide out like that there had to be a substantial amount heel slippage.

That just doesn't look like it happened by itself,I think he had some major blisters on both his heels and he thought this would help,that's just my theory!!!

It wasn't intential. But he didn't want to stop and just remove them because he was worried that any stopping would mess up the rhythm that he was in. The articles said his feet were really sore post race because of the reduced cushion. He also had blisters on his heels and one foot was pretty bloody.

 

[kevdad]

That just doesn't look like it happened by itself,I think he had some major blisters on both his heels and he thought this would help,that's just my theory!!!

Kipchoge said it started bothering him during the first kilometer. And direct from Nike:

“As he has done in previous races, Eliud was testing a prototype racing flat which we’ve been working on together for several months,” said T.J. Crawford, a spokesman for Nike, which sponsors Mr. Kipchoge. “As with any prototype, elements can sometimes go wrong. On this occasion, the sockliner didn’t work. As in all innovation, we will learn quickly from mistakes.”
http://www.wsj.com/articles/kenyan-marathoner-falls-short-of-record-after-nike-shoes-fail-1443375160

What's surprising to me is that it goes against what I thought was rule #1 for race day: Don't try anything new!

 

[IamTrike]

What's surprising to me is that it goes against what I thought was rule #1 for race day: Don't try anything new!

And this was crazy new. It wasn't just new to him it was a prototype so no one had ever run in this type of shoe.

 

[IamTrike]

Not exactly a great advertisement for Nike shoes, huh?

If I can run fast enough that the glue in my shoes breaks down, I think I'd be happy with any shoes.