Mall bans unsupervised kids/teens

[Jennasis]

I'm like a proud mama. My lil' ol' thread is up to 10 pages!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm like a proud mama. My lil' ol' thread is up to 10 pages!

Happy Page Day!

 

[FireDancer]

I think I know what you mean--but it sounds like you are calling it both illegal and legal at the same time.

Oops, total typo. I will go and edit the post.

 

[heatherleigh]

What a waste of $. Wonder how much extra security they'll have to hire and how many hrs of time it will take to continually enforce this. Not only will their sales drop, they'll also wind up wasting money on additional staff/security.

It's funny how places prefer to create new rules rather than enforce the ones they already have. Not saying mall did it, but generally speaking.

 

[Jennasis]

Happy Page Day!

Dang rowdy teens.

 

[golfgal]

Many shopping malls have loitering rules in place. The rules differ, but one mall about 30 minutes from here has guards walking in the common areas looking for this specifically. The security team warns the person (or group of people) suspected of just "hanging". They can then either move on or risk being told to leave. If they are told to leave and refuse, the police are called. There is no age limit - just a no loitering rule. There are no loitering signs posted everywhere, with the ordinance number and a list of fines. It works at that mall, and that is in NJ (where the kids can be a bit "problematic").

I am not saying that it can work everywhere, but I support this over discriminatory rules that sweep the good kids out the door with the bad. And I would never just drop my kids off someplace like this to hang with other kids, so this isn't personal. It is about doing the right thing for everyone, not doing something, anything, to stop a problem...

Again, how do they determine if they are loitering? What if they are pausing to rest in their shopping?

There are signs all over the mall telling kids under 18 that they are not allowed in the mall without a parent after 6:00 on Friday and Saturday night-same difference.

If you want to go as far as doing the right thing for everyone then the malls have done just that, they have provided a time for ADULTS to go to the mall without having to deal with groups of teens there unsupervised. The MOA is PACKED with young families and adults shopping and eating on weekend nights. They have done what is best for everyone-give the MAJORITY of the people that are in the mall at that time a pleasant shopping experience.

 

[luvsJack]

Sorry, guess you're not Catholic. A "near occasion of sin" doesn't mean that the situation will absolutely, positively and in all cases lead to bad choices, it just means that the conditions are more favorable for bad choices.

I'm sure there are plenty of kids who hang out at the mall who never do anything untoward...but for my family that was just a waste of time. We had sports teams we played on, music lessons to take and practice for, friend's houses to visit and friends who hung out at our house. It seems sad to me that not being able to hang out at the mall on two nights a week without an adult is viewed as such a deprivation to today's teens.

I don't think its a deprivation to today's teens. I just think its a dumb rule. Not that they should not control the environment, not that I don't think they should get rid of trouble makers. Just that teens shop too and teens reach an age that they don't like to shop without their parents. And for many, many malls if you put out the teens; you put out a large customer base.

My kids and I all had sports teams, music lessons and friends to visit too. I didn't mean that was the only thing any of us ever did. Teens like to be with teens and other teens are at the mall. And doing all the other things during the week is what makes it hard for the kids to go during the time they are allowed.

 

[Jennasis]

You know, my student's parents tell me ALL the time how happy they are that their kids prefer to hang out at my place all the time instead of the mall.

 

[golfgal]

What a waste of $. Wonder how much extra security they'll have to hire and how many hrs of time it will take to continually enforce this. Not only will their sales drop, they'll also wind up wasting money on additional staff/security.

It's funny how places prefer to create new rules rather than enforce the ones they already have. Not saying mall did it, but generally speaking.

Actually, at the Mall of America they saw sales INCREASE doing this. Also, they have the security staff on hand already but instead of having them all walk around there are a few posted at the entrances checking ID's. Again, it is for a FEW hours on 2 days of the week. Again, this has been going on for 14 YEARS at the Mall of America and while I am sure there are a few disgruntled teens out there, there are more then enough adults with MONEY to make up for it.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

What she said. Please quote specific passages in the actual CONSTITUTION that gives rights to minors.

Guys, the Constitution does not give us rights. Our rights come from our creator. We are all created equal - people of every age, race, religion, creed have the same rights. We are born with those rights - we don't achieve them at a specific age. The only place where that has been altered by the Constitution are where exceptions are explicitly made in amendments.

The Constitution was created to limit the government, not to create the rights of the people. The only reason that some rights are actually listed is because the writers thought them to be the ones most likely to be abused by the government in the future, so a "Bill of Rights" was created as the first set of "amendments" to the Constitution.

So, our rights are almost boundless. Yes, private institutions also have rights, but don't pretend for a second that their rights are the only ones that matter to the Justice Department. And, even when private institutions are allowed by the courts to discriminate, it is still discrimination. It is still an action driven by prejudice toward a group of people. That is not something that I will support...

 

[golfgal]

I don't think its a deprivation to today's teens. I just think its a dumb rule. Not that they should not control the environment, not that I don't think they should get rid of trouble makers. Just that teens shop too and teens reach an age that they don't like to shop without their parents. And for many, many malls if you put out the teens; you put out a large customer base.

My kids and I all had sports teams, music lessons and friends to visit too. I didn't mean that was the only thing any of us ever did. Teens like to be with teens and other teens are at the mall. And doing all the other things during the week is what makes it hard for the kids to go during the time they are allowed.

Again, no one is stopping them from going to the mall without parents, they just can't do it for those couple hours 2 days of the week. They can go to the mall unsupervised ANY OTHER time.

 

[Jennasis]

Guys, the Constitution does not give us rights. Our rights come from our creator. We are all created equal - people of every age, race, religion, creed have the same rights. We are born with those rights - we don't achieve them at a specific age. The only place where that has been altered by the Constitution are where exceptions are explicitly made in amendments.

The Constitution was created to limit the government, not to create the rights of the people. The only reason that some rights are actually listed is because the writers thought them to be the ones most likely to be abused by the government in the future, so a "Bill of Rights" was created as the first set of "amendments" to the Constitution.

So, our rights are almost boundless. Yes, private institutions also have rights, but don't pretend for a second that their rights are the only ones that matter to the Justice Department. And, even when private institutions are allowed by the courts to discriminate, it is still discrimination. It is still an action driven by prejudice toward a group of people. That is not something that I will support...

Fair enough. IAgain, by your reasoning, we should allow kids to smoke, drink and drive then?

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

Again, how do they determine if they are loitering? What if they are pausing to rest in their shopping?...

I am not in mall security. Maybe ask a professional? I have just seen evidence of effective implementation...

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

Fair enough. IAgain, by your reasoning, we should allow kids to smoke, drink and drive then?

No, we should allow the parents to make those decisions. Parents also have rights. If the child disagrees with the parent's decision, he/she can sue and let the courts decide. There are many cases in which children have sued their parents and won...

 

[ncmickeyluvr]

With all due respect, how many of you have ever been to the Hanes Mall on a weekend night?? I have......and it's not something I would do again...UNLESS they put this new policy in place. We're not talking about a few innocent teens shopping....we're talking about huge groups of them. It can actually be a frightening place......and they come in all shapes and colors, thank you very much

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Guys, the Constitution does not give us rights. Our rights come from our creator. We are all created equal - people of every age, race, religion, creed have the same rights. We are born with those rights - we don't achieve them at a specific age. The only place where that has been altered by the Constitution are where exceptions are explicitly made in amendments.

The Constitution was created to limit the government, not to create the rights of the people. The only reason that some rights are actually listed is because the writers thought them to be the ones most likely to be abused by the government in the future, so a "Bill of Rights" was created as the first set of "amendments" to the Constitution.

So, our rights are almost boundless. Yes, private institutions also have rights, but don't pretend for a second that their rights are the only ones that matter to the Justice Department. And, even when private institutions are allowed by the courts to discriminate, it is still discrimination. It is still an action driven by prejudice toward a group of people. That is not something that I will support...

Mall did not exist during the writing of the Bill of Rights.

Youth were restricted back then to.

My child has a right to due process, proper medical care--and all those bells and whistles of life--without her age being taken into consideration. Noone is pretending otherwise.

YOU argued that it was unconstitutional--now we are calling you to the table on it and you can't cite a single court case to defend that statement. You haven't really provided a credible explanation of why it should be constitutional.

We have cited MANY scenarios where minors are prevented even by our own govt in federally funded activities--receive prejudice due to their age.

But you ignore them all on some noble expedition of rights for all. It is almost laughable that you call us obtuse in this crusade for the mall rat generation.

 

[golfgal]

Guys, the Constitution does not give us rights. Our rights come from our creator. We are all created equal - people of every age, race, religion, creed have the same rights. We are born with those rights - we don't achieve them at a specific age. The only place where that has been altered by the Constitution are where exceptions are explicitly made in amendments.

The Constitution was created to limit the government, not to create the rights of the people. The only reason that some rights are actually listed is because the writers thought them to be the ones most likely to be abused by the government in the future, so a "Bill of Rights" was created as the first set of "amendments" to the Constitution.

So, our rights are almost boundless. Yes, private institutions also have rights, but don't pretend for a second that their rights are the only ones that matter to the Justice Department. And, even when private institutions are allowed by the courts to discriminate, it is still discrimination. It is still an action driven by prejudice toward a group of people. That is not something that I will support...

So, since our rights are granted by our creator and everyone is equal then explain what is happening to the women in the middle east ? Sorry, without something like the Constitution to back this up, there is NO recourse to enforce this idea-that and not everyone believes in God or a supreme being of any type so are they required then to abide by the laws of your creator. Just for the record, we are active, practicing Catholics that believe in God.

 

[golfgal]

No, we should allow the parents to make those decisions. Parents also have rights. If the child disagrees with the parent's decision, he/she can sue and let the courts decide. There are many cases in which children have sued their parents and won...

So you are ok with a parent letting a 4 year old smoke becuase they think it is ok??????

 

[golfgal]

With all due respect, how many of you have ever been to the Hanes Mall on a weekend night?? I have......and it's not something I would do again...UNLESS they put this new policy in place. We're not talking about a few innocent teens shopping....we're talking about huge groups of them. It can actually be a frightening place......and they come in all shapes and colors, thank you very much

Exactly-the MOA instituted this rule because there were getting to be too many teens wandering around causing problems AND they were LOSING sales. Since then, their sales increased dramatically. There is a mall near us that I won't go to on weekends any longer BECAUSE of the unsupervised teens there. There are plenty that are just fine but there are groups of them that are not so I choose to go to another mall that has restrictions.

 

[heatherleigh]

I think the Mall of America is more of a tourist attraction. Adults come from all over to shop at this mall. I know I did! That's not a fair comparison, since I'm guessing the mall in the Carolinas isn't the second largest mall, therefore attracting tourists...