Mall bans unsupervised kids/teens

[Lisa loves Pooh]

No, we should allow the parents to make those decisions. Parents also have rights. If the child disagrees with the parent's decision, he/she can sue and let the courts decide. There are many cases in which children have sued their parents and won...

Parents have rights. IT doesn't include violating rules that prohibit a minor from participating. It doesn't include the govt making mom and dad do something the kid wants to do just b/c the kid wants to do it.


Unless a child is emancipated, the courts will not impress upon their parents to require such an action as taking them to the mall. And in the event the minor is emancipated, it simply allows them to live away from their parents. It doesn't move up their right to smoke, drink, vote, or drive.

But again--lack of citation makes it difficult to see your side b/c you keep tossing out this "the courts have stated" with no credible cases to back it up.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

So, since our rights are granted by our creator and everyone is equal then explain what is happening to the women in the middle east ? Sorry, without something like the Constitution to back this up, there is NO recourse to enforce this idea-that and not everyone believes in God or a supreme being of any type so are they required then to abide by the laws of your creator. Just for the record, we are active, practicing Catholics that believe in God.

Sorry, this is a common misconception (that our rights come from the Constitution). The Constitution does not give us rights - it stops the government from taking them away. Women in the middle east have the same rights, but their government is not restricted. The result, their rights are abused every day.

Our rights do not flow from the Constitution, they are protected by it. Just as we all know right from wrong, but laws are put in place to force us to do the right thing, even when it might be less than convenient. But, whether the laws exist or not, what is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong. These things stand eternal, though societal mores change and enforcement ebbs and flows...

 

[happygirl]

Wow, The other day someone posted that she didn't want her neighbor kids playing in her yard. Which I agreed with. I even went the next step by saying call the police. I got blasted I was told I was the mean cranky lady for calling the cops on the dear snow flakes. Now here is a public place that doesn't want kids on there property and is using security to make sure they aren't there.

Just found it ironic sp?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I think the Mall of America is more of a tourist attraction. Adults come from all over to shop at this mall. I know I did! That's not a fair comparison, since I'm guessing the mall in the Carolinas isn't the second largest mall, therefore attracting tourists...

Perhaps you are correct.

But we cannot presume that this mall will go down in flames from all the loss of business when other malls througout the country have similar restrictions.

We cannot claim it to be unconstitutional when the act is legal at another entity in another area of the united states.

So discussing MOA is quite valid regardless of their business model b/c they are a mall who has such a policy that is not only legal, but successful.

 

[golfgal]

I think the Mall of America is more of a tourist attraction. Adults come from all over to shop at this mall. I know I did! That's not a fair comparison, since I'm guessing the mall in the Carolinas isn't the second largest mall, therefore attracting tourists...

Why not??? It is still a mall where people shop and the mall wants to provide a safe, friendly environment where people can do that. I don't see it as a tourist attraction (I know it is) I just see it as a big mall where I shop a lot . Like I said in my other post while you were posting this, I won't go to the smaller mall near us because of the teen problem.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

So you are ok with a parent letting a 4 year old smoke becuase they think it is ok??????

Frankly, yes. But that is another conversation altogether...

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I am not in mall security. Maybe ask a professional? I have just seen evidence of effective implementation...

That's great--but still awaiting your proof that this act is unconstitutional which is one of your 55 arguments against the meanie mall who banned the teens.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Frankly, yes. But that is another conversation altogether...

REally? Oh my goodness. That's crazy!


I certaily hope in all of this you support the rights of the Duggar and Gosselin family b/c if you feel that they in anyway should be restricted of the choices they have made, then your whole parental rights argument falters.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

REally? Oh my goodness. That's crazy!


I certaily hope in all of this you support the rights of the Duggar and Gosselin family b/c if you feel that they in anyway should be restricted of the choices they have made, then your whole parental rights argument falters.

One can never falter when one protects freedom...

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

That's great--but still awaiting your proof that this act is unconstitutional which is one of your 55 arguments against the meanie mall who banned the teens.

Look, I have no interest in looking up case law. If you wish to do so, look it up yourself. There was another poster in this thread that also recalls a case in which a mall or store was sued and lost when it tried to enact a rule like this. I know that I have heard of several. I can cite that without digging up proof of which I have no interest.

I have explained the Constitution to you, and you have no interest. We have a serious difference of opinion. You want to tell others how to live their lives, and I don't. It is really that simple...

 

[NeverlandClub23]

I guess I don't see what the big deal is Isn't it like an "adults only" cruise or restaurant? No one "needs" to go to a mall. If I was a business owner in a mall I would just want to make as much money as possible, I'm not paying the big $$$ in mall rent to not make a profit. If it ends up not being as profitable then let the teens back in but our local mall that does ban anyone under 18 after 5 p.m. any day of the week has actually become extremely popular since it has started (I know I go there more often and I always go there to watch movies now [and they actually charge to park too]).

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

One can never falter when one protects freedom...

IF you think that the Duggars and/or Gosselins should be prevented from their parenting choices.....

but you didn't answer. I wonder why.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Look, I have no interest in looking up case law. If you wish to do so, look it up yourself. There was another poster in this thread that also recalls a case in which a mall or store was sued and lost when it tried to enact a rule like this. I know that I have heard of several. I can cite that without digging up proof of which I have no interest.

I have explained the Constitution to you, and you have no interest. We have a serious difference of opinion. You want to tell others how to live their lives, and I don't. It is really that simple...

Yes--that same individual also said that the mall backed down due to pressure. No "declaration" as you stated was made.

You are citing something that didn't occur.

You are also confusing "privilege" with "rights".

 

[golfgal]

Look, I have no interest in looking up case law. If you wish to do so, look it up yourself. There was another poster in this thread that also recalls a case in which a mall or store was sued and lost when it tried to enact a rule like this. I know that I have heard of several. I can cite that without digging up proof of which I have no interest.

I have explained the Constitution to you, and you have no interest. We have a serious difference of opinion. You want to tell others how to live their lives, and I don't. It is really that simple...

Um, no you haven't. You have just spouted off about it being unconstitutional and have not backed up one thing you have said.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

IF you think that the Duggars and/or Gosselins should be prevented from their parenting choices.....

but you didn't answer. I wonder why.

Other than who they are, I know nothing of them. I don't watch their shows or keep up with them. Give me an example and I will try to answer...

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Um, no you haven't. You have just spouted off about it being unconstitutional and have not backed up one thing you have said.

And utilized ONE poster who posted about a lawsuit that never made it to judge or jury b/c the mall backed down.

A private enterprise changing their rules under pressure of a lawsuit does not a declaration of said rule being unconstitutional make.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

Um, no you haven't. You have just spouted off about it being unconstitutional and have not backed up one thing you have said.

Whatever. I wonder why I wasted my time. You don't care to learn...

 

[golfgal]

Whatever. I wonder why I wasted my time. You don't care to learn...

It is not I that doesn't care to learn....

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

They tried this here at one of our malls that has a huge movie theater. Several of the parents got together and hired an attorney and after a long and public media battle, the mall had to rescind this "law".

Here it is--

Bad PR is not the same as a court case declaring it unconsititutional.

 

[Planogirl]

I'm just wondering when window shopping at a mall became the same as loitering? I don't think that that's the definition of loitering... Also when I said that regular guards would likely start recognizing some workers I was speaking of small area malls not Mall of America or that type of monster mall.

Again, the kids here seem to spend plenty. I too would prefer for security to keep things under control rather than start banning people because of a few bad individuals. But the malls certainly have the right to do this if they wish to.