Mall bans unsupervised kids/teens

[MUFFYCAT]

So for the 16 and 17 year olds who drive and work at the malls, they can't go shopping at night with their friends?
I guess eating at the food courts is out because they would be "hanging out".

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

Well there are those of us that don't think it is senseless at all. It is really nice to know that we can go to the mall, have a nice dinner and walk around and shop without having a bunch of teenagers throwing out the F Bomb every other word. I have 3 teenagers of my own so this isn't anything against them, just that we like the ban. Same thing with the smoking bans--we LOVE that--we can go out and have a nice meal and not come home smelling like an ashtray.

If you dislike teens because they are teens, you win. The teens and reasonable people lose...

 

[luvmy3]

LOL - only supervised by an adult. You are being obtuse...

No actually you are when you say they are being punished. Or when someone says they are being banned. They are still allowed in the mall, period.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

No actually you are when you say they are being punished. Or when someone says they are being banned. They are still allowed in the mall, period.

I wonder if you would feel differently if it were an ethnic group being banned during certain time periods without white supervision. It is a discriminatory behavior and it disgusts me.

I was never dropped off at a mall, so this isn't personal for me. But I am shocked to see how some of you feel about teens. Those feeling reflect poorly on you, not the teens...

 

[luvmy3]

Then your dd could go to the mall during the hours that the rule isn't in effect. In mine that would be any time except 4PM to closing Friday and Saturday nights. So again, noone is being punished or being banned

I, as the mother, would have trouble abiding by the rule. I have a responsible daughter who sometimes needs something at the mall. I don't always have the time or inclination to go shopping at the mall with her but don't mind bringing her there with a friend to get what she needs to get. My daughter is not a trouble maker but, yes, she would have trouble abiding by this rule because both of her parents hate malls.

 

[luvsJack]

Isn't the rule for all 18 and under? I think that the age is wrong. A kid that is 16 and up should be able to go shopping without their mom for heaven's sake!

Why can't they just step up and get rid of the trouble makers? What is so wrong with that? I am just not understanding the argument. It works here. The trouble makers are told to leave. Period. Need to call mom? Oh, well, not the mall's problem.

That way they don't alienate their customers.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

But to do it this way you punish the innocent (including the shops in the malls) along with the guilty. That is what makes it lazy...

I see your point, but I simply do not agree.

Entities can produce rules as they wish that make sense to their overall environment.

That is how dress codes occur in schools for example. Then the transition to uniforms when kids just don't care and continue breaking the dress code despite the consequences.

Not everyone breaks the rules of course--but they get modified when it seems the regular consequences mean little to reduce or eliminate the problems.

They are free to have their rule. You are free to not like it.

But as it seems in several malls across the country, the clients more prefer such restrictions than oppose them.

My heart does not weep for the teenage soul. Until they are 18, they are still a minor and sometimes--a minor needs mom or dad or other responsibe adult with them even if the idea is ridiculous to a sane individual.

 

[luvmy3]

you can't possibly be serious

I wonder if you would feel differently if it were an ethnic group being banned during certain time periods without white supervision. It is a discriminatory behavior and it disgusts me.

I was never dropped off at a mall, so this isn't personal for me. But I am shocked to see how some of you feel about teens. Those feeling reflect poorly on you, not the teens...

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Why can't they just step up and get rid of the trouble makers? What is so wrong with that? I am just not understanding the argument. It works here. The trouble makers are told to leave. Period. Need to call mom? Oh, well, not the mall's problem.

Why are we assuming that they haven't?

 

[ckay87]

Where do you all suggest that teens DO hang out? Not (necessarily) being snarky, I really am wondering (looking for suggestions, in fact.)

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

you can't possibly be serious

No doubt.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I see your point, but I simply do not agree.

Entities can produce rules as they wish that make sense to their overall environment...

...They are free to have their rule. You are free to not like it...

To a point. When these rules have been challenged in court, they have been found to be discriminatory...

 

[golfgal]

I, as the mother, would have trouble abiding by the rule. I have a responsible daughter who sometimes needs something at the mall. I don't always have the time or inclination to go shopping at the mall with her but don't mind bringing her there with a friend to get what she needs to get. My daughter is not a trouble maker but, yes, she would have trouble abiding by this rule because both of her parents hate malls.

But does she only have to go to the mall from 4-9 on Friday night and Saturday night? She can go by herself ANY OTHER TIME, except for these 10 hours/week.

LOL - only supervised by an adult. You are being obtuse...

No, you are. It is 10 hours out of probably 100 hours/ week they are open. It isn't a big deal. They can go, without parents, ANY OTHER TIME except these few hours.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

you can't possibly be serious

The courts have found the issue to be the same. It is illegal to discriminate based on age in America. Maybe you should brush up on the Constitution...

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts...

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

But does she only have to go to the mall from 4-9 on Friday night and Saturday night? She can go by herself ANY OTHER TIME, except for these 10 hours/week.



No, you are. It is 10 hours out of probably 100 hours/ week they are open. It isn't a big deal. They can go, without parents, ANY OTHER TIME except these few hours.

And blacks were free to ride in the back of the bus...

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The courts have found the issue to be the same. It is illegal to discriminate based on age in America. Maybe you should brush up on the Constitution...

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts...

Minors are discriminated upon regularly and legally.

Funny how Mall of America has had this policy for 14 years.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

And blacks were free to ride in the back of the bus...

Are you seriously equating a 14 hangin' in the mall on a Friday night with Rosa Parks?

 

[PeterPan09]

A ban during certain hours without adult supervision.

It is not a full ban banning any child of any age from the mall on any given day of the week.

I hadn't reallized that a mall is the only shopping entity out there--or the only food options. I suppose I should feel sorry for the random teenager that can't get their food court fix on a friday night. But alas--i do not.

Funny how I survived my teens without hangin in a mall on a Friday night.

I survived it too, and my DN survived it 25 years later just as well. Our family believed that hanging out at the mall was a "near occasion of sin". Sure, you might start off just hanging out with your friends, but sooner or later it's going to end up with behavior that isn't so acceptable. Best case is simply annoying other patrons and employees, worst case is shoplifting or God forbid, something violent. I worked as a mall employee for years and we HATED Friday and Saturday nights because of all the teenagers and the havoc they created.

I guess I didn't realize just how critical hanging out at the mall is...and that there are simply no other options for these poor deprived children to socialize. I guess there aren't school sporting events or activities or church groups or friend's houses for them to go to....guess all of that is gone now and the only socialization left is the Almighty Mall.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I survived it too, and my DN survived it 25 years later just as well. Our family believed that hanging out at the mall was a "near occasion of sin". Sure, you might start off just hanging out with your friends, but sooner or later it's going to end up with behavior that isn't so acceptable. Best case is simply annoying other patrons and employees, worst case is shoplifting or God forbid, something violent. I worked as a mall employee for years and we HATED Friday and Saturday nights because of all the teenagers and the havoc they created.

I guess I didn't realize just how critical hanging out at the mall is...and that there are simply no other options for these poor deprived children to socialize. I guess there aren't school sporting events or activities or church groups or friend's houses for them to go to....guess all of that is gone now and the only socialization left is the Almighty Mall.

Yep...

And anything less is making them drink from their own water fountain.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

Are you seriously equating a 14 hangin' in the mall on a Friday night with Rosa Parks?

Yes - all discrimination is evil...