LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[Lisa loves Pooh]

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[Cormoran]

Yes, attractions. Not all attractions are rides, but all rides are attractions. Really, the MK just opened up an entire new area within the last couple of years. No mega thrill though, so I guess that's a failure- but I love it! Just my cup of tea!

I realize some folks just want WDW to become a huge mega thrill ride park. I don't. A lot of people don't and I'm glad Disney isn't going down that path. As it is, AK is practically nothing but a construction zone. Disney Springs is going to be amazing, with or without a roller coaster and I'm willing to wait and see what they do with Star Wars.

I was merely responding to your statement about Disney building attractions, nothing else. The current construction taking place at MK, Disney Springs, or DHS is not building new attractions. Actually, Walt Disney is the person who called his rides "attractions", so I assumed when used the term you were also refering to rides.

 

[MrInfinity]

Disney's sole purpose (as is the sole purpose of any company) is to take our money. As much of it as possible. And have as much as possible left over after they pay the costs to get that money.

You realize what you're describing is a thief... a burglar... or a bulley taking money in a school yard. What you have portray as "to take our money" is in no way Disney's "sole purpose". Disney's purpose is to build and offer a product that is so desirable that people are willing to drop as much money as possible to buy it. Nowhere in there is Disney taking from you. You are offering your money to Disney, in return for their services -- which you can't keep from buying even when you despise them.

You really think the folks who build the Disney brand are thieves? Do you think an animator goes to work because he wants to take your money, and not because he loves animating Woody and Buzz, and has a wonderful job and likes what he does? Do you not think a teenager who gets to dress up as Elsa and be adored by children for the same wage as someone else who flips hamburgers loves her job, or is she just trying to take your money? This is such an abysmal view you are presenting of people. There is a huge difference between running a highly successful for-profit business and being a thief.

I'm not bashing them

Are you trying to be clever? To bash something, then follow it up with "I'm not bashing them" does not make it not bashing them.

it's what business is all about.

Noted.

That's why I treat the relationship for what it is, a business transaction. I give, I get.

Complete reversal? So Disney's goal is *not* to take your money, rather you "give" it to them, and in return, you "get" a product. Cool.

he supports and defends the ticket price increases because that is what the market will bear and Disney's purpose as a company is to (remember?) take as much of our money as possible.

If Disney can charge more for their tickets and people are willing to pay the increased prices then it makes sense to raise prices. Everything goes up! Luxury items will go up by larger percentages than staple items in recovery periods.

the "get" is becoming smaller than the "give".

Ah... the most oblivious of tenses, the present progressive. The ulitimate way to speak words but mean nothing. So the get *is not* smaller than the give... it is just "becoming"... which means the get is larger than the give, but it is progressing toward equal. Think about this present progressive use... You cannot be "becoming" something that you already are... so by saying that the get is becoming smaller than the give, they are actually saying the get is larger than the give. In other words, one gets out of Disney World, a value that is greater than one must pay. And naturally, Disney has every incentive to make sure that gap is minimized. That is EXACTLY where Disney should want the get and the give to be. What this podcast insinuates, and tries to be derogatory about but fails to be so, is a normal business decision, and good value being offered by Disney while Disney at the same time tries to maximize its value to shareholders.

He is also concerned that the decision to put a merchandiser at the helm of Parks & Resorts does not bode well for the future of the theme parks from a guest perspective. I agree with Pete.

So someone on the internet... thinks a person you don't know... will fill a job you don't understand... which runs one of the world's leading companies... in a way that you think recently has been terrible... yet they are hiking prices, showing increased attendance, and increased guest spending... and you think they are making the wrong choices... Ya know, I'm going to go w the world-leading brand and brilliant minds that have built Disney World and think maybe they know a thing or two over a guy who thought FP+ would be the end-all to Disney World.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I was merely responding to your statement about Disney building attractions, nothing else. The current construction taking place at MK, Disney Springs, or DHS is not building new attractions. Actually, Walt Disney is the person who called his rides "attractions", so I assumed when used the term you were also refering to rides.

Okay--so how long should construction projects go?

MK just completed one. Do you expect them to continuously construct rides?

(Attractions also include shows, btw.)

 

[Shaden]

Best comment on the podcast I heard- for the little I listened because it tends to put me to sleep....

"Sure, improvements are great, but do they have to do them all at once???"
I guess now they're doing too much.

I'm a big believer in pixie dust, but even I know they don't just wave a magic wand and new attractions appear overnight.

I heard that too and sort of thought the same thing, though I also liked the part that came around the same statement that they used to do a lot more to make sure construction and refurb were out of sight of guests, they used to do a lot more work overnight and such. I have only been going for the last 5 years or so, so I can't really harken back to days of old, but if this is true it would be another example of them cutting corners on the guest experience. Its a much more expensive way to do repairs and refurbs than simply doing them during the day out in the open.

 

[erc]

I heard that too and sort of thought the same thing, though I also liked the part that came around the same statement that they used to do a lot more to make sure construction and refurb were out of sight of guests, they used to do a lot more work overnight and such. I have only been going for the last 5 years or so, so I can't really harken back to days of old, but if this is true it would be another example of them cutting corners on the guest experience. Its a much more expensive way to do repairs and refurbs than simply doing them during the day out in the open.

Most of the construction, at least at MK is not out in the open. You walk towards the Hub and there are green walls and even fabric screens printed with fake shrubbery. It is actually pretty cool how much they can hide the construction. I almost put my phone camera over the walls to snap random pictures to post here but it was so crowded I didn't want to call attention to it from other guests who really looked like they didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

 

[Laketravis]

As long as there is a shortage of FP's for various attractions there is a need for more. I don't hear anyone clamoring for more thrill rides or coasters or blacktop, just more attractions. Nor do I hear anyone proclaiming that Epcot and Hollywood have plenty and don't need more.


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[wisblue]

Putting aside the issue of rides and attractions, you have to realize that other maintenance and construction projects are necessary to keep the park operating as smoothly as possible.

Everyone recognizes that crowds at WDW have been increasing in recent years, and that large crowds are no longer limited to just a few peak weeks. One of the most common complaints on these boards seems to be that WDW needs to add more attractions to give guests more things to do. But, that can create a vicious circle as more new attractions, especially major ones, just increase the crowds and increase the demand on all attractions and other facilities (shops, restaurants, restrooms, etc ). You can't just add more things for more people to do without also working on how they are going to get around.

The most obvious current example is the hub construction that is designed to alleviate the horrendous pedestrian traffic jams that occur before, during, and after parades and Wishes. Unlike the alternate route from Tomorrowland to the front of Main Street, I don't see any practical way for this work to be done in a way that would make it invisible to guests. And, as WDW continues to increase park hours at MK to accommodate the large crowds, there gets to be less and less time for work to be done when the park is closed.

I understand that guests spending a lot of money on a vacation only care about their experience. They would like no construction walls and no ride refurbishments during their trips. But, at some point you have to take a step back and consider what a massive undertaking it is to handle the logistics and operation of WDW. Unless they want to close a park completely for several months (ala Walley World) some visible construction is unavoidable.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

As long as there is a shortage of FP's for various attractions there is a need for more. I don't hear anyone clamoring for more thrill rides or coasters or blacktop, just more attractions. Nor do I hear anyone proclaiming that Epcot and Hollywood have plenty and don't need more.


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No one is arguing the counter to that.

But MK was mentioned. They just did an expansion. But apparently 'twas not enough.
Otherwise, why mention and then complain that specific park is doing nothing?

 

[wisblue]

As long as there is a shortage of FP's for various attractions there is a need for more. I don't hear anyone clamoring for more thrill rides or coasters or blacktop, just more attractions. Nor do I hear anyone proclaiming that Epcot and Hollywood have plenty and don't need more.


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I have heard people clamoring for more thrill rides and complaining when new attractions aren't thrilling enough for them. And nobody clamors for more blacktop, but they sure do complain when they are stuck in large pedestrian traffic jams.

Everyone would like just the type of attractions that they want, along with unlimited FPs for them, and an express traffic lane so they can move around as quickly as they can move. But, that doesn't seem too practical to me as long as there are thousands and thousands of people who want the same thing.

 

[Laketravis]

But MK was mentioned. They just did an expansion. But apparently 'twas not enough....

Yes, they did. And there is still a consistent shortage of certain FP's and long standby lines for others so it 'twas probably not enough.

But, that doesn't seem too practical to me as long as there are thousands and thousands of people who want the same thing.

From a business perspective, that is one of the simplest dilemmas to address.


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[cakebaker]

As long as there is a shortage of FP's for various attractions there is a need for more. I don't hear anyone clamoring for more thrill rides or coasters or blacktop, just more attractions. ....


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If you haven't heard the clamoring for more "rides", more "rides", you aren't listening. No one asks for more blacktop, but that's what you get when you build more rides. You have to have access to them and ways for people to move around without traffic jams. Of course no one says we want more pavement- but that's the result you're going to get.

I know the hub is going to work much better and it will look nice I'm sure. But I'm sorry to see the water and grass go away even though I know it has to be done.

Yes, they did. And there is still a consistent shortage of certain FP's and long standby lines for others so it 'twas probably not enough.

Nah, no one is asking for more rides, are they.

 

[Robo]

I know the hub is going to work much better and it will look nice I'm sure. But I'm sorry to see the water and grass go away even though I know it has to be done.

You make it sound like they're removing the water and grass from the hub.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Yes, they did. And there is still a consistent shortage of certain FP's and long standby lines for others so it 'twas probably not enough.



From a business perspective, that is one of the simplest dilemmas to address.


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Sounds like some folks will never be satisfied.

But it still makes the statement that nothing is or was done false.

 

[cakebaker]

As long as there is a shortage of FP's for various attractions there is a need for more. .

So the easy solution is to do away with any form of line management and just let people stand around for hours on end in line. They'll be no shortage at least- Some people would prefer it, all the while complaining they can't get a FP+ and won't stand in standby. A strange combination of opinions, but it's true.

There's always going to be a shortage of FP+'s- there was with paper fast pass. It's unrealistic to think they can build enough "rides" that anyone who wants to experience them can do so with little or no wait.

 

[cakebaker]

You make it sound like they're removing the water and grass from the hub.

Clarification- they're losing some of it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

You make it sound like they're removing the water and grass from the hub.

They have removed some of that, yes. People can be disappointed with that.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So the easy solution is to do away with any form of line management and just let people stand around for hours on end in line. They'll be no shortage at least- Some people would prefer it, all the while complaining they can't get a FP+ and won't stand in standby. A strange combination of opinions, but it's true.

There's always going to be a shortage of FP+'s- there was with paper fast pass. It's unrealistic to think they can build enough "rides" that anyone who wants to experience them can do so with little or no wait.

Seems the modern day thing is, I don't want to wait my turn ever.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Yes, attractions. Not all attractions are rides, but all rides are attractions. Really, the MK just opened up an entire new area within the last couple of years. No mega thrill though, so I guess that's a failure- but I love it! Just my cup of tea!

I realize some folks just want WDW to become a huge mega thrill ride park.

I don't. A lot of people don't and I'm glad Disney isn't going down that path. As it is, AK is practically nothing but a construction zone. Disney Springs is going to be amazing, with or without a roller coaster and I'm willing to wait and see what they do with Star Wars.

Re the bolded, I don't think that really applies to anyone in this discussion. I'm sure those people are out there, but I don't really see that here.

 

[FLchick415]

Seems the modern day thing is, I don't want to wait my turn ever.

And it doesn't just apply to Disney. I see it everywhere I go. Everyone is "ME ME ME", only cares about themselves and no one else.